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Posted: 3/3/2016 12:02 PM
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bshot44, I like your "best guess", but for some reason I think Ball might take NIU on the road. I agree with the idea of getting into the best bracket but at this point in the season I think every game is going to be a struggle. This would be a good tourney to take time to watch all the games, because I think there will be some real battles every time they throw up the ball. Go Cats ! Defend, Rebound, take good shots !
I'm being optimistic with NIU. They are 16-1 at home. So if they were ever going to do Ohio a favor...this would be it!
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Posted: 3/3/2016 12:17 PM
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I'm gonna Debbie Downer all this.

This is one of those situations where it doesn't really make sense to try to map it all out.

(I just realized that read like a fortune cookie paper at my newly invented restaurant, Kung Pao Gasol.)

It's going to all play out whether I know all the scenarios or instead contemplate why our bricks are better than their bricks.

If it were a situation where a win over Miami had no bearing, maybe you think about expanding the rotation and resting legs a few extra minutes. That's not the case. No matter what, Ohio needs to win from both a seeding standpoint and a momentum standpoint. Don't want to go into the tournament to have the second half surge undermined by two straight losses to your two biggest hoops rivals in the conference.
Well said.....just win baby!
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Posted: 3/3/2016 1:08 PM
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bshot44 wrote:expand_more
bshot44, I like your "best guess", but for some reason I think Ball might take NIU on the road. I agree with the idea of getting into the best bracket but at this point in the season I think every game is going to be a struggle. This would be a good tourney to take time to watch all the games, because I think there will be some real battles every time they throw up the ball. Go Cats ! Defend, Rebound, take good shots !
I'm being optimistic with NIU. They are 16-1 at home. So if they were ever going to do Ohio a favor...this would be it!
I had picked NIU to win this one as well, but I heard Maric might be out with an injury. If true, I think that pushes me to picking Ball St.
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Posted: 3/4/2016 11:12 AM
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Ohio Bobcats (at Miami)

WIN

#2 if Central Michigan, Kent State and Ball State all lose OR Ball State wins and Central Michigan loses

#3 if Central Michigan wins and Kent State + Ball State lose OR Kent State wins and Central Michigan + Ball State lose OR Central Michigan and Ball State both win

#4 if Central Michigan, Kent State and Ball State all win

LOSE

#2 if Buffalo wins and Central Michigan + Kent State + Ball State lose

#3 if Central Michigan wins and Kent State + Ball State lose OR Kent State + Buffalo win and Ball State + Central Michigan lose OR Central Michigan + Kent State + Ball State + Buffalo lose

#4 if Central Michigan + Kent State win and Ball State loses OR Kent State wins and Central Michigan + Ball State + Buffalo lose OR Central Michigan + Ball State + Buffalo win and Kent State loses OR Ball State + Buffalo win and Central Michigan loses

#5 if Central Michigan + Ball State win and Buffalo loses OR Ball State wins and Buffalo + Central Michigan loses OR Central Michigan, Ball State, Kent State and Buffalo all win
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Posted: 3/4/2016 9:33 PM
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Central also loses. Ohio finishes 2nd. Central, Buff, Ball, Kent tied at 10-8 It appears - but not confirmed:

1. Akron
2. Ohio
3 Buff
4.Central
5. Kent
6. Ball
7. Northern
8 Eastern
9 Toledo
10. Western
11. Miami
12. BG

Our side of the bracket
2. Ohio
3 Buff
6. Ball
7. Northern
10. Western
11. Miami

Can anyone confirm the tie breaking of Central, Buff, Ball, Kent?
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Posted: 3/4/2016 9:38 PM
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cc-cat wrote:expand_more
Central also loses. Ohio finishes 2nd. Central, Buff, Ball, Kent tied at 10-8 It appears - but not confirmed:

1. Akron
2. Ohio
3 Buff
4.Central
5. Kent
6. Ball
7. Northern
8 Eastern
9 Toledo
10. Western
11. Miami
12. BG

Our side of the bracket
2. Ohio
3 Buff
6. Ball
7. Northern
10. Western
11. Miami

Can anyone confirm the tie breaking of Central, Buff, Ball, Kent?
That tie breaking is correct cc. We play the winner of WMU / NIU at 6:30 on Thursday.
Last Edited: 3/4/2016 9:39:11 PM by Eagle66
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Ohio is 2 seed, gets winner of NIU v WMU on Thursday, winner of Buffalo v (Miami v Ball St winner) on Friday.

Bobcats are 2-1 vs potential Quarterfinals opponents, 6-0 vs potential Semifinals opponents. Like our odds to get to the Finals.
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Posted: 3/4/2016 9:49 PM
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You're absolutely correct.

Kent State
0-2 vs Buffalo
1-0 vs Ball St
0-1 vs CMU
1-3 total

Buffalo
2-0 vs Kent
1-0 vs Ball St
1-0 vs CMU
4-0 total

Ball St
0-1 vs Kent
0-1 vs Buffalo
1-1 vs CMU
1-3 total

Central Michigan
1-0 vs Kent
0-1 vs Buffalo
1-1 vs Ball St
2-2 total

So Buffalo at 4-0 gets the (3) seed, CMU at 2-2 gets the (4) seed, and then Kent and BSU are both 1-3 but Kent gets the (5) seed by virtue of beating Ball St who gets the (6) seed.

As the (2) seed we get the 7/10 winner between Northern Illinois - Western Michigan
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Posted: 3/4/2016 9:52 PM
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When is the Northern/Western game?
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Posted: 3/4/2016 9:54 PM
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I'll add I like our chances in the quarters, but both Ball St and Buffalo scare me in the semis.

I don't think we have the defense or rebounding to seriously win this thing (unless we just get on a ridiculous shooting roll for a weekend - which is possible), but I'd like to see us go a few rounds if for nothing more than tourney experience for the veteran team we'll have returning next year.

Also, a 21 or 22 win team - losing in the conference finals or semis....means I predict we'll get either a CBI or CIT bid, so possibly another game or two.
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Posted: 3/4/2016 9:57 PM
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When is the Northern/Western game?


Monday night. I'd guess 7 PM Central time in Dekalb.
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Posted: 3/4/2016 10:18 PM
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GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
I'll add I like our chances in the quarters, but both Ball St and Buffalo scare me in the semis.

I don't think we have the defense or rebounding to seriously win this thing (unless we just get on a ridiculous shooting roll for a weekend - which is possible), but I'd like to see us go a few rounds if for nothing more than tourney experience for the veteran team we'll have returning next year.

Also, a 21 or 22 win team - losing in the conference finals or semis....means I predict we'll get either a CBI or CIT bid, so possibly another game or two.
You can lock in a CBI/CIT/Vegas tournament appearance right now.
Keep winning for a shot at NCAA/NIT...
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Posted: 3/4/2016 10:34 PM
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Funny thing is, with the way all the other games turned out, Ohio would have been the #2 seed even if it had lost to Miami.
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You can lock in a CBI/CIT/Vegas tournament appearance right now.
Keep winning for a shot at NCAA/NIT...
Obviously win it all and we're in the NCAA - no other shot there.

I don't see any way we make the NIT. Even losing in the finals would put us at 22-11 with an RPI in the 70s and Sagarin in the 100s. We don't get the conference champion auto bid either. Only 32 NIT spots.

As for the CBI/CIT I think a win in the quarters would seal our spot in one of them regardless of how semis/finals play out. I dunno if it's a "lock" quite yet though. A loss to NIU/WMU at 20-11 would put us at least in doubt, but you're PROBABLY right.
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Didn't they change it in 2012 so that the Top 2 seeds regardless of division got byes directly into the semis?
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Posted: 3/4/2016 10:54 PM
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GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
You can lock in a CBI/CIT/Vegas tournament appearance right now.
Keep winning for a shot at NCAA/NIT...
Obviously win it all and we're in the NCAA - no other shot there.

I don't see any way we make the NIT. Even losing in the finals would put us at 22-11 with an RPI in the 70s and Sagarin in the 100s. We don't get the conference champion auto bid either. Only 32 NIT spots.

As for the CBI/CIT I think a win in the quarters would seal our spot in one of them regardless of how semis/finals play out. I dunno if it's a "lock" quite yet though. A loss to NIU/WMU at 20-11 would put us at least in doubt, but you're PROBABLY right.
There is also a new 16-team post-season tournament this year in Las Vegas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegas_16
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OUbobcat9092 wrote:expand_more
You can lock in a CBI/CIT/Vegas tournament appearance right now.
Keep winning for a shot at NCAA/NIT...
Obviously win it all and we're in the NCAA - no other shot there.

I don't see any way we make the NIT. Even losing in the finals would put us at 22-11 with an RPI in the 70s and Sagarin in the 100s. We don't get the conference champion auto bid either. Only 32 NIT spots.

As for the CBI/CIT I think a win in the quarters would seal our spot in one of them regardless of how semis/finals play out. I dunno if it's a "lock" quite yet though. A loss to NIU/WMU at 20-11 would put us at least in doubt, but you're PROBABLY right.
There is also a new 16-team post-season tournament this year in Las Vegas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegas_16
Post-Season Berths
NCAA - 68
NIT - 32
CBI - 16
CIT - 32
Vegas - 16

Total = 164
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I saw Jason Arkley mention we might have a favorable matchup vs. NIU "without Maric," and I saw he didn't play tonight. Anyone know what's up with him? Guessing this is an injury -- any chance he comes back this week?
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OUbobcat9092 wrote:expand_more
There is also a new 16-team post-season tournament this year in Las Vegas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegas_16
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that one. With that being said then, yeah I'd agree we're a lock for one of the bottom 3 at this point.
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Conference regular season champs that don't win their conf tourney get an auto bid into the NIT. Usually they're the only ones from non-"power" conferences that get into the NIT.

Belmont punched its ticket to the NIT by losing in the OVC tourney tonight to Austin Peay. Fantastic game; 97-96 in OT; Belmont had a game-winner at the buzzer in OT waived off when replay showed it came after the light went on.

Great sidebar: Peay's coach has a five-year-old granddaughter who's battling cancer. She had surgery at Sloan-Kettering two days ago. The team has championed her battle. They won last weekend to get into the conf tourney (they only allow 8 teams in) and on consecutive nights have beaten the #5, #4 and #1 seeds to get to the championship game.
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I'd like to post the obligatory unthinking post suggesting that we get into the NCAA's even if we don't win the MAC tournament.
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Funny thing is, with the way all the other games turned out, Ohio would have been the #2 seed even if it had lost to Miami.
Although it doesn't benefit us, this was probably a good year to go back to the old tournament format. Can you imagine the uproar from the 10-8 teams having to play five games vs. a 10-8 team only having to play two?
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OUbobcat9092 wrote:expand_more
You can lock in a CBI/CIT/Vegas tournament appearance right now.
Keep winning for a shot at NCAA/NIT...
Obviously win it all and we're in the NCAA - no other shot there.

I don't see any way we make the NIT. Even losing in the finals would put us at 22-11 with an RPI in the 70s and Sagarin in the 100s. We don't get the conference champion auto bid either. Only 32 NIT spots.

As for the CBI/CIT I think a win in the quarters would seal our spot in one of them regardless of how semis/finals play out. I dunno if it's a "lock" quite yet though. A loss to NIU/WMU at 20-11 would put us at least in doubt, but you're PROBABLY right.
There is also a new 16-team post-season tournament this year in Las Vegas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegas_16
Post-Season Berths
NCAA - 68
NIT - 32
CBI - 16
CIT - 32
Vegas - 16

Total = 164

Out of 351 or so teams (don't know how many are ineligible), 148 teams with losing records right now. Could some with losing records make a post season tourney, I think it has happened before.
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Out of 351 or so teams (don't know how many are ineligible), 148 teams with losing records right now. Could some with losing records make a post season tourney, I think it has happened before.
One of the tournaments (CIT I think) has a rule requiring teams to finish over .500. The other has taken sub .500 teams before.
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Out of 351 or so teams (don't know how many are ineligible), 148 teams with losing records right now. Could some with losing records make a post season tourney, I think it has happened before.
One of the tournaments (CIT I think) has a rule requiring teams to finish over .500. The other has taken sub .500 teams before.
So has the NCAA.
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