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shabamon
11/28/2017 9:51 PM
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Why do you constantly pick on - go after a kid on the team who’s done nothing to you. He’s not been given an opportunity so you really don’t know what he’s capable of over a substained period of time in games. If you don’t like the kid for a personal reason take it off the board, it doesn’t belong here. To attack a young man character is small and unethical. He’s the only kid on the team you can’t support?
Who are you talking about?


Didn't watch. Not mad at the result. We're playing all of our guards and one big and still scoring at will. They played ten guys uptempo and pressed. Any team that doesn't try that simple game plan against us is a sucker. We'll be fine.
Last Edited: 11/28/2017 9:53:52 PM by shabamon
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BillyTheCat
11/28/2017 9:55 PM
BoardCat wrote:expand_more
Why do you constantly pick on - go after a kid on the team who’s done nothing to you. He’s not been given an opportunity so you really don’t know what he’s capable of over a substained period of time in games. If you don’t like the kid for a personal reason take it off the board, it doesn’t belong here. To attack a young man character is small and unethical. He’s the only kid on the team you can’t support?
WTH????
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GroverBall
11/28/2017 10:05 PM
BoardCat wrote:expand_more
Why do you constantly pick on - go after a kid on the team who’s done nothing to you. He’s not been given an opportunity so you really don’t know what he’s capable of over a substained period of time in games. If you don’t like the kid for a personal reason take it off the board, it doesn’t belong here. To attack a young man character is small and unethical. He’s the only kid on the team you can’t support?
Huh?

Good fight out of the Cats tonight, we closed out on shooters better in the second half, I think we were just switching on every screen. But gave up too many open threes in the first. Really liked what I saw out of Butler tonight, he is going to get his minutes.
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GroverBall
11/28/2017 10:07 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
Why do you constantly pick on - go after a kid on the team who’s done nothing to you. He’s not been given an opportunity so you really don’t know what he’s capable of over a substained period of time in games. If you don’t like the kid for a personal reason take it off the board, it doesn’t belong here. To attack a young man character is small and unethical. He’s the only kid on the team you can’t support?
Who are you talking about?


Didn't watch. Not mad at the result. We're playing all of our guards and one big and still scoring at will. They played ten guys uptempo and pressed. Any team that doesn't try that simple game plan against us is a sucker. We'll be fine.
Press was a three quarter sham -- did nothing. They started getting back in the game when they ditched the press and went to a zone.
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catfan28
11/28/2017 10:26 PM
Tonight was the worst student crowd I've ever seen while classes were in session - not even close. There was, what, 15 kids in the O Zone plus the basketball teams that played at half?

For what was arguably one of our best non-conference home games in some time, that was horrendous. I know Iona isn't a household name, but they are about as good as it gets nowadays. Should have been a full-court press to bring students out.
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BobcatSports
11/28/2017 10:56 PM
Keep in mind we’re the BEST fans in the MAC! I often wonder IF these athletic programs are for the benefit and entertainment of the student body and the student body by their absence seems to be shouting No Thanks, why expend all the money it takes to provide said “benefit”? Don’t mean to go all Vedder but ............... Just sayin.
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Chicken George
11/28/2017 10:58 PM
I noticed the same student turnout again, as well as my section being as empty as I can remember, as well as many other sections appearing the same? I'm blaming my lack of enthusiasm/early season attendance on just being strung out busy with kids activities. I do wonder however how attendance figures and season tickets sales are vs historical data? Fan apathy?
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D.A.
11/28/2017 11:17 PM
I’m always amused that our hoops zealots willl excuse losses to .250 or .200 teams due to key injuries or bad matchups and yet they rail on gridiron losses to conference foes with near or over .500 records due to in conference foes which happen the have higher SOS. No double standards at all, and not to mention comparisons of attendance figures for weeknight games. Look away, nothing to see here.
Last Edited: 11/28/2017 11:19:16 PM by D.A.
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yamaha45701
11/28/2017 11:27 PM
I honestly think the "security" blanket of being examined upon entry, police presence higher than the past, yellow uniform security guards everywhere,being asked again about where you sit by a yellow clad guy after you were already in the convo, all factor into starting to feel like it is no longer fun. If all that security is there because we are a target by being at the game,might folks be asking, "why make myself a target" and stay away? I don't know but yes, barely any students there tonight.
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oubobcatjohn
11/28/2017 11:34 PM
With all the injuries the team has fought hard in close games. This team will be fine. There is a lot to really like in this team. I see a team that doesn't pack it in or panic down late. They got lots of shooters that can knock down big shots. No question Block and Dartis got some daggers left in them for the MAC tournament. Those guys are showing the ability to knock down some shots late in games. They get Carter back and those shots will be even more wide open. Those teams really going to double Carter and let Block and Dartis bomb away. Laster and Kirk will slice and dice them attacking the rim. Bobcats will have a real nice 8-9 man rotation once Carter and Mickle return to health. Taylor and Gollon have improved a lot this year. They will be far better after getting extra playing time. Kirk and Butler already proving they are going to be very good players.
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Jeff McKinney
11/29/2017 1:25 AM
Iona got open threes through dribble penetration. They continually broke us down, drew the double, and found the open man spotted up for a three. They made them at a higher percentage than they usually do until late in the game.

Nice effort overall with a small team and short bench. I hope we can use the tape from this game as part of learning how to slow dribble penetrwtion.
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allen
11/29/2017 5:26 AM
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Iona got open threes through dribble penetration. They continually broke us down, drew the double, and found the open man spotted up for a three. They made them at a higher percentage than they usually do until late in the game.

Nice effort overall with a small team and short bench. I hope we can use the tape from this game as part of learning how to slow dribble penetrwtion.
We need to look at some zone defenses, we had trouble stopping the dribble drive last year. Great effort though only going 7 deep.
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100%Cat
11/29/2017 7:46 AM
I'm putting basically no stock in W/L's until we get some guys back. It was a great effort from 7 guys against a team that didn't make a lot of mistakes, and those little mistakes we made added up to a narrow L for us. Costly turnovers, a few 50/50 balls that didn't go our way, and missed free throws sunk us. With the fight and grit these guys are showing, I think we'll be fine if we can get some of these forwards back.
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Bobcat1998
11/29/2017 7:53 AM
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I'm putting basically no stock in W/L's until we get some guys back. It was a great effort from 7 guys against a team that didn't make a lot of mistakes, and those little mistakes we made added up to a narrow L for us. Costly turnovers, a few 50/50 balls that didn't go our way, and missed free throws sunk us. With the fight and grit these guys are showing, I think we'll be fine if we can get some of these forwards back.
I completely agree with this. If Mickle alone plays last night we win that game. We just had nobody to rebound and defend the lane other than Doug, which isn't anyone's fault. I just hope that we can get 3 of the 4 bigs back by MAC play. This team is scary right now with 7 guys (6 of which are under 6-8). Just imagine us with 4 guys who are 6-7 or taller back!
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Alan Swank
11/29/2017 8:22 AM
Chicken George wrote:expand_more
I noticed the same student turnout again, as well as my section being as empty as I can remember, as well as many other sections appearing the same? I'm blaming my lack of enthusiasm/early season attendance on just being strung out busy with kids activities. I do wonder however how attendance figures and season tickets sales are vs historical data? Fan apathy?

My guess is season tickets are way down at least in the premium sections. Lots of folks who used to sit courtside have moved up or moved out and many have reduced the number of tickets that they have purchased for years. $2000 for four tickets is a lot to ask. On a related note, it will be interesting to see if charitable contribution deductions are eliminated in the tax bill what effect that will have on the bobcat club.
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stub
11/29/2017 9:29 AM
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Any update on our bigs? Gareri is questionable for Iona? Any chance Carter is back for Maryland? Vander Plas mid-December? [QUOTE}

Saul mentioned, according to Ohiocatfan, that Carter could play as early as Friday if x-rays show sufficient healing. However he was still wearing a boot so that's hard to believe but who knows? Good news is boot now off for BVP. Gareri lost his a while back.
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OU_Country
11/29/2017 1:01 PM
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I'm putting basically no stock in W/L's until we get some guys back. It was a great effort from 7 guys against a team that didn't make a lot of mistakes, and those little mistakes we made added up to a narrow L for us. Costly turnovers, a few 50/50 balls that didn't go our way, and missed free throws sunk us. With the fight and grit these guys are showing, I think we'll be fine if we can get some of these forwards back.
I completely agree with this. If Mickle alone plays last night we probably win that game. We just had nobody to rebound and defend the lane other than Doug, which isn't anyone's fault. I just hope that we can get 3 of the 4 bigs back by MAC play. This team is scary right now with 7 guys (6 of which are under 6-8). Just imagine us with 4 guys who are 6-7 or taller back!
I agree with your feeling on winning the game with a healthy Mickle making a difference on defense, but if you look at the numbers and/or saw the game, the rebounding disparity really wasn't that substantial. The smaller lineup is doing a pretty good job on the glass all things considered.

I'm also with 100%Cat, in that putting stock in W/L right now isn't as important as seeing improvement and development. I think we're seeing improvement over last year from every single returning player that's getting minutes. TK, Gollon, and Butler are showing improvement almost game by game.
From that standpoint, this team is really pretty exciting to watch.
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Flomo-genized
11/29/2017 4:04 PM
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I’m always amused that our hoops zealots willl excuse losses to .250 or .200 teams due to key injuries or bad matchups and yet they rail on gridiron losses to conference foes with near or over .500 records due to in conference foes which happen the have higher SOS. No double standards at all, and not to mention comparisons of attendance figures for weeknight games. Look away, nothing to see here.
This reasoning is highly specious, probably explaining why no one has bothered to respond to your obvious trolling attempt.

Iona is a quality mid-major program, having been to the post-season six consecutive years (4 NCAA, 2 NIT). Moreover, a basketball team's record six games into a 30-game season is largely meaningless in assessing how good the team may be, without any greater context.

I'm not sure what you mean by the following phrase, as it is grammatically incorrect and presently incoherent: "losses to conference foes with near or over .500 records due to in conference foes which happen the have higher SOS"

In any event, as noted above, the comparison you are trying to make it is meaningless as there is no reason to believe that Iona will be at or around .500 in the second half of the season, thus rendering any parallel to the Akron or Buffalo gridiron losses incongruous.

Finally, the injury comparison is also entirely ill-fitting. Injuries are a natural part of the game of football. Nearly every team in the country loses a few starters (and sometimes quite a few more) throughout the course of the season, making depth a necessary part of a winning program.

Injuries of any considerable length in basketball are much less common, while having to play 3 straight games with 4/5th of your front court rotation in street clothes is basically unheard of. There is nothing anyone could do to prepare for that.

The injuries the hoops team is battling through right now would be the equivalent of having every d-lineman on the football roster but two or three sidelined for multiple games. Under those circumstances, I think it would be unfair to criticize the football team for losing to mediocre competition.

But that, of course, is not the situation the football team is facing, or has ever faced. The football team's injuries are, generally speaking, within the range of normal for the sport, and thus do not provide much of an excuse. The basketball team's current injury totals are anything but normal, and make the team's recent performance not just understandable, but pretty incredible.
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Ohio69
11/29/2017 5:08 PM
catfan28 wrote:expand_more
Tonight was the worst student crowd I've ever seen while classes were in session - not even close. There was, what, 15 kids in the O Zone plus the basketball teams that played at half?
I imagine this Friday night will be even worse.

I am dismayed by the small crowds. But, I also see stuff like this and the picture of a very empty student section at Kentucky and think this is way bigger than just an OU problem.
https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/kentucky-basketball-r...
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RSBobcat
11/30/2017 12:45 AM
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Iona got open threes through dribble penetration. They continually broke us down, drew the double, and found the open man spotted up for a three. They made them at a higher percentage than they usually do until late in the game.

Nice effort overall with a small team and short bench. I hope we can use the tape from this game as part of learning how to slow dribble penetrwtion.
Their FT's H2 did not come from penetration dishes out - came from drawing contact. We need to do that better - get to the line from drawing contact.. BIGZ or not a BIGZ
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RSBobcat
11/30/2017 12:47 AM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
I'm putting basically no stock in W/L's until we get some guys back. It was a great effort from 7 guys against a team that didn't make a lot of mistakes, and those little mistakes we made added up to a narrow L for us. Costly turnovers, a few 50/50 balls that didn't go our way, and missed free throws sunk us. With the fight and grit these guys are showing, I think we'll be fine if we can get some of these forwards back.
I completely agree with this. If Mickle alone plays last night we win that game. We just had nobody to rebound and defend the lane other than Doug, which isn't anyone's fault. I just hope that we can get 3 of the 4 bigs back by MAC play. This team is scary right now with 7 guys (6 of which are under 6-8). Just imagine us with 4 guys who are 6-7 or taller back!
Agree - no/limited BIGZ hurt
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RSBobcat
11/30/2017 12:51 AM
Flomo-genized wrote:expand_more
I’m always amused that our hoops zealots willl excuse losses to .250 or .200 teams due to key injuries or bad matchups and yet they rail on gridiron losses to conference foes with near or over .500 records due to in conference foes which happen the have higher SOS. No double standards at all, and not to mention comparisons of attendance figures for weeknight games. Look away, nothing to see here.
This reasoning is highly specious, probably explaining why no one has bothered to respond to your obvious trolling attempt.

Iona is a quality mid-major program, having been to the post-season six consecutive years (4 NCAA, 2 NIT). Moreover, a basketball team's record six games into a 30-game season is largely meaningless in assessing how good the team may be, without any greater context.

I'm not sure what you mean by the following phrase, as it is grammatically incorrect and presently incoherent: "losses to conference foes with near or over .500 records due to in conference foes which happen the have higher SOS"

In any event, as noted above, the comparison you are trying to make it is meaningless as there is no reason to believe that Iona will be at or around .500 in the second half of the season, thus rendering any parallel to the Akron or Buffalo gridiron losses incongruous.

Finally, the injury comparison is also entirely ill-fitting. Injuries are a natural part of the game of football. Nearly every team in the country loses a few starters (and sometimes quite a few more) throughout the course of the season, making depth a necessary part of a winning program.

Injuries of any considerable length in basketball are much less common, while having to play 3 straight games with 4/5th of your front court rotation in street clothes is basically unheard of. There is nothing anyone could do to prepare for that.

The injuries the hoops team is battling through right now would be the equivalent of having every d-lineman on the football roster but two or three sidelined for multiple games. Under those circumstances, I think it would be unfair to criticize the football team for losing to mediocre competition.

But that, of course, is not the situation the football team is facing, or has ever faced. The football team's injuries are, generally speaking, within the range of normal for the sport, and thus do not provide much of an excuse. The basketball team's current injury totals are anything but normal, and make the team's recent performance not just understandable, but pretty incredible.
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GoCats105
11/30/2017 8:03 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
I’m always amused that our hoops zealots willl excuse losses to .250 or .200 teams due to key injuries or bad matchups and yet they rail on gridiron losses to conference foes with near or over .500 records due to in conference foes which happen the have higher SOS. No double standards at all, and not to mention comparisons of attendance figures for weeknight games. Look away, nothing to see here.
This reasoning is highly specious, probably explaining why no one has bothered to respond to your obvious trolling attempt.

Iona is a quality mid-major program, having been to the post-season six consecutive years (4 NCAA, 2 NIT). Moreover, a basketball team's record six games into a 30-game season is largely meaningless in assessing how good the team may be, without any greater context.

I'm not sure what you mean by the following phrase, as it is grammatically incorrect and presently incoherent: "losses to conference foes with near or over .500 records due to in conference foes which happen the have higher SOS"

In any event, as noted above, the comparison you are trying to make it is meaningless as there is no reason to believe that Iona will be at or around .500 in the second half of the season, thus rendering any parallel to the Akron or Buffalo gridiron losses incongruous.

Finally, the injury comparison is also entirely ill-fitting. Injuries are a natural part of the game of football. Nearly every team in the country loses a few starters (and sometimes quite a few more) throughout the course of the season, making depth a necessary part of a winning program.

Injuries of any considerable length in basketball are much less common, while having to play 3 straight games with 4/5th of your front court rotation in street clothes is basically unheard of. There is nothing anyone could do to prepare for that.

The injuries the hoops team is battling through right now would be the equivalent of having every d-lineman on the football roster but two or three sidelined for multiple games. Under those circumstances, I think it would be unfair to criticize the football team for losing to mediocre competition.

But that, of course, is not the situation the football team is facing, or has ever faced. The football team's injuries are, generally speaking, within the range of normal for the sport, and thus do not provide much of an excuse. The basketball team's current injury totals are anything but normal, and make the team's recent performance not just understandable, but pretty incredible.
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OU_Country
11/30/2017 9:54 AM
Chicken George wrote:expand_more
I noticed the same student turnout again, as well as my section being as empty as I can remember, as well as many other sections appearing the same? I'm blaming my lack of enthusiasm/early season attendance on just being strung out busy with kids activities. I do wonder however how attendance figures and season tickets sales are vs historical data? Fan apathy?
If you're a student passing by The Convo, you couldn't even tell there was a damn game. It was VERY dark around the building, signage on what gates to go to were barely visible. If you didn't check the schedule, from the outside of the building you would have never known. So we can't light up the building to let people know there's a game, but we can have 45 security officers inside protecting us from bad guys - that probably don't even know it's a basketball arena at night because it's so dark. It's time for the team of people responsible for running game day inside and out of the building to assess and improve their respective games.
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OU_Country
11/30/2017 9:56 AM
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Iona got open threes through dribble penetration. They continually broke us down, drew the double, and found the open man spotted up for a three. They made them at a higher percentage than they usually do until late in the game.

Nice effort overall with a small team and short bench. I hope we can use the tape from this game as part of learning how to slow dribble penetrwtion.
We need to look at some zone defenses, we had trouble stopping the dribble drive last year. Great effort though only going 7 deep.
Bringing up the idea zone defense is a waste of time. Saul has reiterated several times since he's been here that he's not going to play a zone.
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