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Monroe Slavin
8/21/2011 6:57 PM
Oh, c'mon, OCF.  Will there be costs (dollar spend) to explore, extract and to refine and to get to market?  Will the firms which explore, extract, refine, transport to market also want a profit?  Yes and yes--so it won't cost $2 per gallon.  Plus the pollution/aggravation cost will be Republican:  privatization of profits but socialization of allied detrimental costs (pollution, traffic, supporting infrastructure, etc).

Gonna spend all that money to explore, produce, extract, refine, transport to market?  Here's a better solution.  Buy a Prius.  50 miles per gallon.  Or spend the explore, produce, extract, refine, transport money on developing renewable, less pollutiing alternatives (solar or wind or cars that get 80 mpg and ways to make industrial machinery more efficient, etc etc).  I'm not even getting into ethanol and the way--early primaries--that the politicians of all sides caved in to the Iowa corn farmers.

This is just common sense and basic economics.  That the party of anger (well, the tea side of it) doesn't see this is sad.

Oil is not the future...unless you're an oil company or allied with them.

The jobs are in leading the world (isn't that the American way?) in new industries, not riding dinosaurs.
Last Edited: 8/21/2011 7:01:01 PM by Monroe Slavin
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bobcat695
8/21/2011 8:00 PM
After reading the original post, I could care less if Paul Graham ever posts again.  This is an absolute insult to Rob, and it has evened turned into one for Russ as well.  Russ is a true professional.  In case you aren't aware, college athletics is not as typical 8-5 job.  Russ has a million things to do that do not include punching a time card in the Convo each Monday-Friday.  They travel long distances, work evenings and weekends, and come in early and stay late on game days.  He also does things like call OU baseball games and the Bobcat Caravans throughout the offseason.  As far as Rob is concerned, like others said, he is basically a volunteer if he was paid hourly.  I have had many conversations with him about this and he truly loves Ohio University.  No complaints, just dedication to his beloved university.   

I'll be the one to call Paul Graham a coward who hides in anonymity.  I'd like Paul Graham to go public with his/her name, as well as the total contributions to the university this past year in both time and dollar amounts.  Also please include your total Ohio Bobcat Club contributions since this thread is based on dedication to athletics.   

Either you are a Class A loser, or this was a pathetic attempt at humor.  I hope it was the latter, because if you are serious about your criticisms I am embarrassed for you.  I would suggest you stop following him on Twitter, also.  I'm quite sure he would love to have one less follower of his Twitter feed after reading this thread.   
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OhioCatFan
8/21/2011 8:15 PM
Monroe,

Nat gas is a great transition fuel until the time that solar and other technologies are ready for prime time.  There have been great strides made in recent years in the efficiency of solar panels.  If that level of improvement continues for the next decade, we may really have a great alternative in solar panels that can produce enough electricity to charge that electric car on a regular and reliable basis for an affordable price.  For that we'll also need the economies of mass production. Right now, though -- due to the new discoveries -- we are the Saudi Arabia of nat gas.  This fuel is much less polluting than oil/gasoline.  The government has been slow to get on the nat gas bandwagon; however, as is often the case, it's not going to make much of a difference because the private sector is seeing the profits to be obtained and are starting to act on their own.  A company named Clean Energy is teaming up right now with Chesapeake Energy (a producer of nat gas) to put up a number of nat gas fueling stations for overland trucks.  This is a major investment.  The trucks to be fitted with nat gas engines (replacing diesel) will be a great step forward not only for energy independence but also to reduce total polution.  Personally, I hope that nat gas as a transition fuel will buy us enough time that we will successfully develop fusion reactors in the interim.  This would provide an abundant source of energy with no possibility of radiation danger for the general population as a fusion reactor, unlike the current fission reactors, can be walked through within a half hour of shut down because the half-lives of the radioactive particles are measures in nano-seconds rather than centuries.  Progress will come in spite of the "progressives."
Last Edited: 8/21/2011 10:30:21 PM by OhioCatFan
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Monroe Slavin
8/21/2011 10:13 PM
Okay, but OCF my point was about such as Bachmann making comments such as we'd have $2 gas if she was in the White House.  There's a difference between puffery and saying stuff that just defies credibility, and doing it on a consistent basis (see her comments/stand on gays and whether she got the benefit of govt subsidies, etc).

As far as I can tell, your points were based in fact and plausible developments.  Some of the tea's--not nearly so much.

If I could get unemployment down to 5.75% but would have to raise taxes to do it, would you want to hear the plan?  Tea would not in any way shape or form.  One would hope that those who govern us at least know the appropriate target.
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OhioCatFan
8/21/2011 10:28 PM
Monroe,  I'm more of a social conservative than a fiscal conservative.  I would not be opposed to some limited tax hikes, but I do think that a majority of our budgetary efforts at this point should be on the side of cutting our bloated federal government.  As you can tell I'm not a Tea Party type, though I do think that they offer a useful counterbalance to some our more extreme left wing folks.  I fashion myself as a Lincoln Republican.  In order to fully understand what that means you need to study not only the political positions of the Radical Republicans of the Civil War era, but also the economic and cultural stands of the precursor Whig Party.  Lincoln never really abandoned his Whig roots and Whig principles.  The portrayal of Lincoln in popular culture as a modern day liberal is not at all accurate.  Boy, I digress.  To answer your question, yes I would be willing to hear your plan.  Fire away, old buddy!  

BTW, Go OHIO! 
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Bobcat Love
8/21/2011 11:07 PM
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Monroe,  I'm more of a social conservative than a fiscal conservative. 


Well that's just wonderful. Another "Evolution is Just a Theory" and "We should stop funding planned parenthood" and "Stem Cells are Evil" and "I'm gonna tell women how to live their lives" person.

Just what we need. You should have gone to Rick Perry's prayer deal at Reliant Stadium. He prayed for the country and the stock market dropped 613 points the next day. This right wing religion nonsense is out of control. Very weak minded people. Keep the religion at home and in your churches, mosques, and synagogue. You're no better then the Taliban.

Edit - I totally agree on Russ and Rob. They do a fantastic job. I don't remember KU, MU, or KSU's play by play guys camping out at every practice. Not to mention, it's not their job to tweet out information to us. That would have been Jason Corriher's job, who is now at Marshall. Your announcer and PBP guys call the games and bring it hard on gamedays. I think our team is the best in the MAC right now, and maybe the best we've ever had.
Last Edited: 8/21/2011 11:10:12 PM by Bobcat Love
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OhioCatFan
8/21/2011 11:38 PM
Well, Monroe, as I said, I'm #3 on BL's list -- but it looks like I might be gaining ground on you.  As you can see, BL is on one of his witch hunts again.  It's interesting how he plays the stereotypes.  For the record, I can't stand Gov. Perry and have already told many people that if he gets the GOP nomination I"m voting independent, Libertarian, or some other third party.  He's the worst person in the whole field of announced candidates, IMHO.  I wouldn't trust him farther than i could throw him, which isn't very far since I'm not a strong guy.  
Last Edited: 8/21/2011 11:42:10 PM by OhioCatFan
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Monroe Slavin
8/22/2011 1:48 AM
Okay.  I'll try to lay off the politics and vitriol vs. fellow posters.  With the eve of game day only 12 days away it is time to get OHIO FOOTBALL game face on!

May we have good health and play tough without a trace of bigheadedness.  Could be a fine year.  But no more looking ahead.  To quote the great Mike Johnson, one at a time.  Beat NMSU!
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L.C.
8/22/2011 11:00 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Okay.  I'll try to lay off the politics and vitriol vs. fellow posters.....

Nah. You can talk about all the politics you want now, because you're in Siberia.

The curious thing to me is that, when the subject turns to religion, athiests will never acknowledge that athiesm is in itself a religious view. "There is a God" and "there is no God" are both equally unprovable. Similarly the question of abortion, and the related question of the appropriateness of creating and farming embryos for stem cells is a moral question that is not necessarily a religious one, as it isn't directly addressed in the religious books of any religion that i am aware of.
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OhioCatFan
8/22/2011 11:33 AM
It's also interesting to note, LC., that virtually all of the useful stem cell research has been conducted using adult stem cells or placental stem cells; the promise of embryonic stem cells has not be borne out, despite a great deal of research on them throughout the world.  One scientist I heard quoted on the subject said that embryonic stem cells had a much higher rate of inducing cancer in the host than did stem cells from other sources.  He was somewhat mystified as to why this was true, but that seemed to be the empirical evidence at that juncture.  
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Bobcat Love
8/22/2011 12:43 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we aren't talking about the actual results of the stem cell research, just the fact that certain people do not want Government funds to be used to actually investigate the worthiness of the science.
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L.C.
8/22/2011 1:57 PM
There are two separate types of stem cells. One is extracted from an embryo, destroying the embryo in the process. The other is extracted from an adult, which does no harm to the adult. No one opposes research based on adult stem cells, so far as I am aware, and some promising research has been done using these adult stem cells, both in this country and elsewhere.

More controversial is the used of embryonic stem cells because of the fundamental question of when life begins. I think everyone would agree that would be wrong to have a child, and then after birth, kill it to obtain parts. To those that believe that life begins at conception, creating an embryo, and then destroying it for parts is no different. On the other hand, those that believe that life begins at birth see nothing wrong with the idea of creating and destroying embryos to obtain parts (i.e., embryonic stem cells). Because there isn't likely to be any scientific resolution to the answer of "when does life begin", I see little chance of this core disagreement being resolved any time soon.

I don't keep up with stem cell research, but like OCF, i have also heard that the most promising research has been done with adult stem cells. This is actually fortunate because that research has never had opposition, and is done in the US as well as other countries.
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OhioCatFan
8/22/2011 3:21 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we aren't talking about the actual results of the stem cell research, just the fact that certain people do not want Government funds to be used to actually investigate the worthiness of the science.


Yes, you are wrong.  We are talking about the actual results of research using embryonic stem cells both in this country and more widely in other parts of the world.  Lots of time people hear the word "stem cell research" and they don't distinguish between three basic types of stem cells -- embryonic, adult and placental.  As L.C. has pointed out, only in the embryonic area do we run into controversy, for the reasons that he mentions.  There's not one shred of controversy about using either of the other two sources of stem cells for research.  For the record, I've heard politicians on both sides of the political spectrum in the most demagogic fashion blur this distinction to fire up their base.  Left wing politician: "Those Republican bastards want to ban all stem cell research.  This research is on the verge of finding a cure for cancer and a treatment for paralysis."  Right wing politician: "Obama and his henchmen want to kill unborn babies in order to extract stems cells for research."  
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Paul Graham
8/22/2011 8:41 PM
bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
After reading the original post, I could care less if Paul Graham ever posts again.  This is an absolute insult to Rob, and it has evened turned into one for Russ as well.  Russ is a true professional.  In case you aren't aware, college athletics is not as typical 8-5 job.  Russ has a million things to do that do not include punching a time card in the Convo each Monday-Friday.  They travel long distances, work evenings and weekends, and come in early and stay late on game days.  He also does things like call OU baseball games and the Bobcat Caravans throughout the offseason.  As far as Rob is concerned, like others said, he is basically a volunteer if he was paid hourly.  I have had many conversations with him about this and he truly loves Ohio University.  No complaints, just dedication to his beloved university.   

I'll be the one to call Paul Graham a coward who hides in anonymity.  I'd like Paul Graham to go public with his/her name, as well as the total contributions to the university this past year in both time and dollar amounts.  Also please include your total Ohio Bobcat Club contributions since this thread is based on dedication to athletics.   

Either you are a Class A loser, or this was a pathetic attempt at humor.  I hope it was the latter, because if you are serious about your criticisms I am embarrassed for you.  I would suggest you stop following him on Twitter, also.  I'm quite sure he would love to have one less follower of his Twitter feed after reading this thread.   


Fine, after 12 years or so I'll finally go public with my name if that helps resolve all this....

My real name is Dontrell Flenorl-Hookfin the 3'rd.
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Bobcat Love
8/22/2011 9:30 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we aren't talking about the actual results of the stem cell research, just the fact that certain people do not want Government funds to be used to actually investigate the worthiness of the science.


Yes, you are wrong.  We are talking about the actual results of research using embryonic stem cells both in this country and more widely in other parts of the world.  Lots of time people hear the word "stem cell research" and they don't distinguish between three basic types of stem cells -- embryonic, adult and placental.  As L.C. has pointed out, only in the embryonic area do we run into controversy, for the reasons that he mentions.  There's not one shred of controversy about using either of the other two sources of stem cells for research.  For the record, I've heard politicians on both sides of the political spectrum in the most demagogic fashion blur this distinction to fire up their base.  Left wing politician: "Those Republican bastards want to ban all stem cell research.  This research is on the verge of finding a cure for cancer and a treatment for paralysis."  Right wing politician: "Obama and his henchmen want to kill unborn babies in order to extract stems cells for research."  


Actually I'm not wrong and you just proved me right. The question is about whether Government funds should be used for stem cell research. You just chose to take it a step further and distinguish between embryonic, adult, and placental.
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DublinCat
8/22/2011 9:39 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we aren't talking about the actual results of the stem cell research, just the fact that certain people do not want Government funds to be used to actually investigate the worthiness of the science.


Yes, you are wrong.  We are talking about the actual results of research using embryonic stem cells both in this country and more widely in other parts of the world.  Lots of time people hear the word "stem cell research" and they don't distinguish between three basic types of stem cells -- embryonic, adult and placental.  As L.C. has pointed out, only in the embryonic area do we run into controversy, for the reasons that he mentions.  There's not one shred of controversy about using either of the other two sources of stem cells for research.  For the record, I've heard politicians on both sides of the political spectrum in the most demagogic fashion blur this distinction to fire up their base.  Left wing politician: "Those Republican bastards want to ban all stem cell research.  This research is on the verge of finding a cure for cancer and a treatment for paralysis."  Right wing politician: "Obama and his henchmen want to kill unborn babies in order to extract stems cells for research."  


Actually I'm not wrong and you just proved me right. The question is about whether Government funds should be used for stem cell research. You just chose to take it a step further and distinguish between embryonic, adult, and placental.


Actually you are wrong (again)  The entire issue is about the farming of embryonic stem cells which are rarely used since they have been found to be worthless to most research .  George W. Bush was the first U.S. President to approve federal funding for stem cell research.  He approved funding for both adult and placental and did not approve federal funds for the farming of embryonic stem cells.  
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OhioCatFan
8/22/2011 10:08 PM
DC is correct in pointing out BL's error.  The only thing that I might add is that "W" also approved for government funded research, and this was quite controversial among his most conservative base, the use of embryonic stem cells from a few specific pre-existing lines.  This meant that no new embryos were destroyed, but these were still stem cells that originally came from destroyed embryos.  I, personally, think that W drew the line at an appropriate place in making this decision. 
Last Edited: 8/22/2011 10:09:37 PM by OhioCatFan
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Bobcat Love
8/22/2011 10:54 PM
Where am I wrong?

You just talked about GW Bush's approval of funding...unless I'm really mistaken, GW Bush was part of the Federal Government when he approved the measure.

Yes, I realize there is an issue with using embryonic stem cells b/c of the question of when life begins, but you guys are completely out in left field (as per the usual with people of your ilk)

This is a public funding issue.

2001–2006 - U.S. President George W. Bush signs an executive order which restricts federally-funded stem cell research on embryonic stem cells to the already derived cell lines. He supports federal funding for embryonic stem cell research on the already existing lines of approximately $100 million and $250 million for research on adult and animal stem cells.

I don't have time to research it, but I believe in certain states private companies can conduct embryonic stem cell research. While there may be some outcry, this is not the base issue that is debated between liberals and right wing whack jobs. The issue is Federal funding, plain and simple.
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L.C.
8/22/2011 11:29 PM
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... The issue is Federal funding, plain and simple.

No, the issue is when life begins, and thus, whether it is right to harvest embryos or not. The battle in today's socio-political climate is taking place over the issue of federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, but if the socio-political situation shifts with time, the battleground may change. The issue will remain the same.
Last Edited: 8/22/2011 11:35:42 PM by L.C.
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BobcatJH
8/23/2011 12:29 AM
Shorter what I just said: Keep Rob, ditch Republicans, go Bobcats.
Last Edited: 8/23/2011 12:36:09 AM by BobcatJH
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