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Paul Graham
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Posted: 11/6/2010 11:28 PM
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I recommended that people call Courtside if they are unhappy with what has been happening there lately and for some reason that post was deleted. Can someone tell me why?
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Posted: 11/6/2010 11:31 PM
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You posted a phone number and told people to call and give them crap. No one even knows what the facts are. If they were in the wrong, they'll be made to pay in the court of law. Let things play out that way.
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Posted: 11/6/2010 11:37 PM
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I think I actually recommended for people to get liquored up and then call but lets not split hairs here. What's wrong with jumping to conclusions prior to knowing anything about the situation and getting angry and fired up?! It's always served me well!
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Posted: 11/6/2010 11:38 PM
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Why don't we just crash BobcatAttack again so everything gets deleted. I'm sure that'd be easier than deleting every single post on here that doesn't blow sunshine.
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Posted: 11/7/2010 10:08 AM
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Stay out of the damn place. Their pizza "sucks" anyway to boot!
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Posted: 11/7/2010 10:25 AM
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I find it very peculiar that Courtside is not commenting.

If I owned, or managed, the place.....and I felt my employee's actions were justified....I'd sure as hell defend my business and my employees.
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Posted: 11/7/2010 11:04 AM
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Courtside is not commenting because the lawyer "representing" Courtside has advised the owner that neither he nor any of his employees should be commenting in any way, shape or form until all the "facts" are gathered.

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Posted: 11/7/2010 11:06 AM
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87OU Alum wrote:expand_more
I find it very peculiar that Courtside is not commenting.

If I owned, or managed, the place.....and I felt my employee's actions were justified....I'd sure as hell defend my business and my employees.


Their approach is no different than the lack of comment by the athletics department.  PR 101 tells you to take this approach until the facts are known and sorted out.
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Posted: 11/7/2010 12:53 PM
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Weird, I always thought it was called Sportside.
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Posted: 11/7/2010 4:13 PM
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Can any of the Attackers based in Athens, comment on whether or not the bouncer involved at Courtside is the same bouncer that had a number of run-ins over the years with athletes while he was bouncing for the Pub??
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Posted: 11/7/2010 7:58 PM
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Bull****........


the owners/managers know more about this situation than any of us.............PR101 says you represent yourself in the most positive light you are able to project.

This guy has a history......every thing I read says he should be in the MMA based on how he was outnumbered.

If all this is true....I, as the owner or manager, throw out as many rationales as possible.

There's a good chance Courtside will not exist in a few months because of this incident......there's also a good chance folks may take a shot at both the bouncer and the business if this costs us the season.


I keep hearing Boo was pursued while on the ground and unconcious.......if that is true that's bull****. 





~edited for sp~

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Posted: 11/7/2010 8:03 PM
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At the very least, the person named in the article (and the dark side of me is glad that his name has been published) should be fired immediately. Someone with that kind of history shouldn't be working in a bar. Period.
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Posted: 11/7/2010 8:10 PM
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At the very least, the person named in the article (and the dark side of me is glad that his name has been published) should be fired immediately. Someone with that kind of history shouldn't be working in a bar. Period.


agreed.......3 arrests for disorderly????

Yeah I want that guy representing my business......and interracting with my clientielle
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Posted: 11/7/2010 8:24 PM
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87OU Alum wrote:expand_more

There's a good chance Cpurtside will not exist in a few months because of this incident......there's also a good chance folks may take a shot at both the bouncer and the business if this costs us the season



Taking bets on that?   I'll give you 5 to 1 odds that we'll still be having a golf league post round libation there in 5 years.  Remember that it wasn't too many years ago that the coach's show was broadcast from Courtside.

This is an unfortunate situation for all involved.  But, to make bombastic statements like this serves no positive purpose.
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Posted: 11/7/2010 8:27 PM
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What business does a bouncer have punching someone in the parking lot?  Once they are already outside of the bar any further disturbance should be up to law enforcement not a bar bouncer.  I would have to think charges will be filled tomorrow.  Probably from multiple directions and parties.  Excessive force also seems to be an issue.   
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Posted: 11/7/2010 9:18 PM
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Some news agencies and Jason Arkley's Twitter are quoting the Athens PD's official release on the incident. No charges were filed as they were unable to ascertain who threw the first punch. Boo was taken to a Columbus hospital because it was feared he might have a facial fracture. Apparently, that's not the case and he may have  a slight concussion.
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Posted: 11/7/2010 9:29 PM
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What business does a bouncer have punching someone in the parking lot?  Once they are already outside of the bar any further disturbance should be up to law enforcement not a bar bouncer.  I would have to think charges will be filled tomorrow.  Probably from multiple directions and parties.  Excessive force also seems to be an issue.   


As I mentioned elsewhere, I was good friends with some of the bouncers at the Longbranch back in the early '70s and never knew any of them to take a disturbance outside.  They would take them as far as the front door and leave it at that. 
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Posted: 11/7/2010 9:40 PM
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Coming from someone who has had a facial fracture/orbital fracture, I was a bit surprised that he was in and out so quickly.  I broke mine playing intramural ball during grad school in 1982.  Had to wait two days for the swelling to go down before the surgeon could cut, wire and stitch me back together again.  Two nights in the hospital and they sent me home to recover.  A broken bone below the eye is a little more severe than one above.  That said, this was an unfortunate situation and one that need not happen again.  Some could make a case that UFC, concealed carry and other manly pursuits contribute to this sort of violence.
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Posted: 11/7/2010 9:44 PM
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Coming from someone who has had a facial fracture/orbital fracture, I was a bit surprised that he was in and out so quickly.  I broke mine playing intramural ball during grad school in 1982.  Had to wait two days for the swelling to go down before the surgeon could cut, wire and stitch me back together again.  Two nights in the hospital and they sent me home to recover.  A broken bone below the eye is a little more severe than one above.  That said, this was an unfortunate situation and one that need not happen again.  Some could make a case that UFC, concealed carry and other manly pursuits contribute to this sort of violence.
 

Of course mountains of statistical data would show otherwise.  But you are right; some would still try to make the case.  
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Posted: 11/7/2010 10:01 PM
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Coming from someone who has had a facial fracture/orbital fracture, I was a bit surprised that he was in and out so quickly.  I broke mine playing intramural ball during grad school in 1982.  Had to wait two days for the swelling to go down before the surgeon could cut, wire and stitch me back together again.  Two nights in the hospital and they sent me home to recover.  A broken bone below the eye is a little more severe than one above.  That said, this was an unfortunate situation and one that need not happen again.  Some could make a case that UFC, concealed carry and other manly pursuits contribute to this sort of violence.  
 

Of course mountains of statistical data would show otherwise.  But you are right; some would still try to make the case.  


DC, what I was getting at was that the desensitivity ( that's a made up word but you know what I mean) to violence in those venues plus video games leads to more violence in everyday life.  Research clearly demonstrates that conclusion.    Here's but one reference to that belief.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1723 ;  
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Posted: 11/7/2010 10:23 PM
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Alan, most of us elders grew up playing army and watched thousands die on television.  As a child I often played with a toy rifle or toy cap gun.  As a kid I carried a knife and ran around with my BB shot gun just like most of the other kids I grew up with.  Yet I never once thought of acting in this manner.  You can find all kinds of opinion pieces like you posted that later get reported as fact by agenda driven media types.  However, the overwhelming statistical facts where these laws are implemented show just the opposite of those theoretical opinions. 

In another note: Does every incident regarding Ohio Athletics need to be politicized  or carry some sort of political agenda?

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Posted: 11/7/2010 10:32 PM
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Alan, most of us elders grew up playing army and watched thousands die on television.  As a child I often played with a toy rifle or toy cap gun.  As a kid I carried a knife and ran around with my BB shot gun just like most of the other kids I grew up with.  Yet I never once thought of acting in this manner.  You can find all kinds of opinion pieces like you posted that later get reported as fact by agenda driven media types.  However, the overwhelming statistical facts where these laws are implemented show just the opposite of those theoretical opinions. 

In another note: Does every incident regarding Ohio Athletics need to be politicized  or carry some sort of political agenda?



DC, I did the same but long before you were born.  I had my Davy Crockett coonskin hat and wooden handled double barrel air rifle that we used to jam into the mud to shoot dirt bullets.  We climbed the fence at the "plastic dump" in extreme east Akron to pick up rejected American and German plastic soldiers and carted them home in the winter where we built snow forts and "killed" the other guys troops with thrown snow balls.  Heck we even made molitov cocktails out of my mom's Secret deodorant bottles and threw them at targets in the back yard.

My point is that these were abstract actions whereas video and tv are much more real and thus desensiticing.  
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Posted: 11/7/2010 10:54 PM
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Alan, most of us elders grew up playing army and watched thousands die on television.  As a child I often played with a toy rifle or toy cap gun.  As a kid I carried a knife and ran around with my BB shot gun just like most of the other kids I grew up with.  Yet I never once thought of acting in this manner.  You can find all kinds of opinion pieces like you posted that later get reported as fact by agenda driven media types.  However, the overwhelming statistical facts where these laws are implemented show just the opposite of those theoretical opinions. 

In another note: Does every incident regarding Ohio Athletics need to be politicized  or carry some sort of political agenda?



DC, I did the same but long before you were born.  I had my Davy Crockett coonskin hat and wooden handled double barrel air rifle that we used to jam into the mud to shoot dirt bullets.  We climbed the fence at the "plastic dump" in extreme east Akron to pick up rejected American and German plastic soldiers and carted them home in the winter where we built snow forts and "killed" the other guys troops with thrown snow balls.  Heck we even made molitov cocktails out of my mom's Secret deodorant bottles and threw them at targets in the back yard.

My point is that these were abstract actions whereas video and tv are much more real and thus desensiticing.  


There are exceptions but most television and movies that show crime and excessive violence rarely show it as a good idea.  There are exceptions but most show that crime and violence do not pay with favorable end results. 

Now as for video games and music you may have something.  We grew up listening to music with innuendo.  The bad stuff required thought and interpretation as to what they were trying to say.  Today you can buy the rated version or the clean version.  Neither version leave much room to innuendo.  

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Posted: 11/8/2010 6:15 AM
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DublinCat wrote:expand_more
What business does a bouncer have punching someone in the parking lot?  Once they are already outside of the bar any further disturbance should be up to law enforcement not a bar bouncer.  I would have to think charges will be filled tomorrow.  Probably from multiple directions and parties.  Excessive force also seems to be an issue.   


Agreed---when I worked in bars it was a major no-no to take it beyond the front door.


The practice was call the PD from behind the bar while the bouncers got it outside the door.
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Posted: 11/8/2010 11:49 AM
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If only Rufus had been there...

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