States rights may very well be the demise of this country. Want to talk about a waste of money in terms of duplication of services.

What a beautiful day.

The air smells fresher with no clouds in the sky; lunch with my parents tasted better; Springsteen's new music sounded more enjoyable than the first few listens; my drive from Columbus to Newark was more relaxing than the same drive a week ago.

Still no evidence presented of the voter fraud they're claiming is so blatant.

Curious to hear from the Trump supporters here. At what point do the evidence-free accusations start to become the "coup" they're accusing the other side of?

Surely we can all agree that if you're going to refuse to concede the White House, the burden of proof is on you, and the evidence you provide must meet a high bar.

i think it is just a matter of every accusation needs to be followed out. Yes there has been no widespread voter fraud found. And i don't think there will be and the president will eventually concede. But this is a process that has happened.

To me personally a lot of good as come of this. we have had several secretary's of state admit that there voter roles need cleaned up and that there are illegal votes out there. So maybe we can get some election reform out of this. Because how about some of these house races that are down to under 100 votes. a few dead voters or illegal votes or votes by people no longer in state could matter.

We also hav3 some count irregularities. don't get me wrong none of these are wide spread fraud to steal the presidency but they are things that if cleaned up would give more faith in future elections.

I’ll take that bet that you think Trump will concede. I love a good wager.

Is there not a way to clean up very low scale voting issues without a campaign that's full of outright lies calling the core of American Democracy into question?

This is very simple: one party wants people to vote. One party wants fewer people to vote. The lies about widespread fraud are just the latest in a long, long line of examples in which conservatives in America try to limit voting, and create distrust in the system.

Oh, and as free fund raising and publicity for Trump's move into cable TV because once a conman, always a conman.

Exactly. In 2016 Trump finished 4th in Iowa. He claimed Cruz cheated. He loses the General election by 3million votes, he claims cheating. He loses both the popular vote and electoral vote and he claims cheating. None of the time can he promote credible evidence, just his cry of wolf. It gets old grow up. Ohio beat Central, they cheated, we really won. Think about how childish that is. Yet millions want to believe this bullshit

I completely agree with you. The republicans don't want a big voter turnout and never will. Have you ever heard a republican politician tell people to vote in their message? Never. They know their constituents vote more often than democrats. Read this from the WSJ. The columnist is African American, too:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/whats-so-great-about-high-vo...

also for those of you that don't think all allegations should be pursued... Do you think all accusations of child abuse should be pursued until proven false, how about rape? how about abuse?

Look i think trump is a big cry baby making things up as he goes... but one of these factors are not mutually exclusive of the others. we can do everything that we have to do to take these claims seriously and still have the peaceful transition of power.

Let's assume this is true and Republicans want big voter turnout. How do you then explain the following examples?

1. GOP Governor of Texs vastly reduces voting dropboxes a week before the election, leaving the largest county in Texas -- an area the size of Rhode Island -- with only a single dropbox: https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/27/texas-voting-elec... /

A similar law was passed in Ohio.

2. Republican groups making illegal, false robocalls to poor, inner-city areas falsely stating that voting by mail necessitates turning over personal information to police departments and credit bureaus: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/27/roboca... /

3. GOP run states like WI moving to limit early voting: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/29/w... /

4. The President himself tweeting and campaigning for months against mail in voting, claiming widespread fraud despite any evidence to that effect.

5. Evidence showing that in 2016 the Trump campaign ran ads targeted at minorities discouraging them from voting. Their campaign had an audience of voters on Facebook that they labelled "Deterrence" and their strategy was to keep them home on election day. It was their stated strategy: https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-trump-campaign-str...

6. If Republicans want people to vote and want it to be easy to do so, explain why voter purges are a Republican strategy. In Georgia, 1.4 million voters were dropped from rolls, including anybody that hadn't voted in 6 years.

7. Why have Republicans -- chief among them Donald Trump -- spent years insisting that widespread voter fraud exists despite a complete lack of evidence supporting that claim? If you want everybody to vote, would you do that?

8. Why have Republican states consistently been found guilty of illegal gerrymandering? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-north-carolina-gerryma...

9. Why did Republicans file 40 voting lawsuits in 2020, all designed to make it more difficult to vote? https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-d...

This list could go on and on. The evidence is clear from the GOP's policy choices. How do you reconcile those things with your belief that Republicans want more people to vote?

Kind of false equivalencies, don't you think? It's been proved time and time again that there is little to no vote fraud in our elections.

Facts AL Facts! Newsmaxx and OaNN are calling the fraud through their extensive network of trained journalist and prize winning reporters.

There are people convicted of voter fraud almost every year. and depending on the state or the city there is long evidence of the fact. And if that newsmax and that other news organization i have never seen or really heard of either of them. I watch CNBC a lot. fox business a lot. I watch fox news some in the morning but the other evening show i ever watch is the story with what her name. i cant stand the rest of those blow hard in the evening i usually listen to CNN i occasionally listen to MSNBC but when they start yelling at the screen i cant stand it and turn.

I agree if your totally liberal you would think that any rule even if it just is requiring voter ID would be to suppress the voter. In Texas i do believe those moves were just to agree to what the state law had already stated it should be not what people decided to do. I could be wrong.

And of course news agencies that put out poles that say the election is over this candidate is up by 17 points is not voter suppression. or poles that never put trump ahead in states he won by 8 or 10 points were not to suppress votes. I live in southern Ohio i got robo calls telling me that because of COVID that my polling place would be closed the next day... i find that hard to believe that was a republican suppression call in a area as deep read as i live. I had several people talking about the calls in my county.

I am not saying some republicans haven't and don't want to suppress votes. but most of the cases i have seen have really not been much more then requiring a ID and i am sorry i don't think asking you to prove you are who you say you are is voter suppression.