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Topic: 2017 QB Drew Keszei (Ft. Wayne IN, Homestead HS) - Ohio Commit
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allen
6/17/2016 8:52 PM
Play the best players. if one of them wins, give them a long leash and make sure they are committed to film study. Div football is definitely a learning experience. Charlie Frey, Josh Cribbs and Big Ben played early and all played well. We will have a good line in place, especially if the upperclassman is not good. What can they learn from them? How to be mediocre? Every year a few freshman start at QB as freshman, why not Ohio. We do need to have a good line and veterans to support the new guys.
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Sam bobcat
6/17/2016 8:56 PM
My son is an incoming freshman linebacker from Carroll who's biggest rival in high school was Homestead led by Drew Keszei. I'm very happy to hear they are brining Drew to Ohio and hope he is successful. Admittedly I'm an ex linebacker myself and I'm sure some of you can break down the QB position better than I can. Plus Drew and Dylan's conference had 3 qb's go D1 whith whom I'm comparing Drew to. All that being said, I would agree that coming in as a true freshmen and leading a team against D1 defenses is a tall order for anyone regardless of apparent talent.
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Monroe Slavin
6/17/2016 9:56 PM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I am amazed that some couch coaches believe a high school stud QB can easily walk on to campus and lead a D1 program to glory. That they are willing to trade fifth year senior production for true freshman production. Crutch helped as a true frosh but I sure would have loved to have seen him as a 5th year player.
I'm amazed that you have a short memory.

Let's just sit AJ on the bench as a Freshman and let everyone else fumble.

Hey if you believe that the best players can sit on the bench then fine....that's your opinion.

Whoa--my favorite personal physician jumps on the Irons horse..the Irons train....
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Doc Bobcat
6/17/2016 11:36 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
I am amazed that some couch coaches believe a high school stud QB can easily walk on to campus and lead a D1 program to glory. That they are willing to trade fifth year senior production for true freshman production. Crutch helped as a true frosh but I sure would have loved to have seen him as a 5th year player.
I'm amazed that you have a short memory.

Let's just sit AJ on the bench as a Freshman and let everyone else fumble.

Hey if you believe that the best players can sit on the bench then fine....that's your opinion.

Whoa--my favorite personal physician jumps on the Irons horse..the Irons train....

Yeah if girls ask me I'm a gynecologist....if guys ask me I'm a proctologist.
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allen
6/18/2016 4:11 AM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I am amazed that some couch coaches believe a high school stud QB can easily walk on to campus and lead a D1 program to glory. That they are willing to trade fifth year senior production for true freshman production. Crutch helped as a true frosh but I sure would have loved to have seen him as a 5th year player.
I'm amazed that you have a short memory.

Let's just sit AJ on the bench as a Freshman and let everyone else fumble.

Hey if you believe that the best players can sit on the bench then fine....that's your opinion.

+1
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Bcat2
6/18/2016 7:18 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
I am amazed that some couch coaches believe a high school stud QB can easily walk on to campus and lead a D1 program to glory. That they are willing to trade fifth year senior production for true freshman production. Crutch helped as a true frosh but I sure would have loved to have seen him as a 5th year player.
I'm amazed that you have a short memory.

Let's just sit AJ on the bench as a Freshman and let everyone else fumble.

Hey if you believe that the best players can sit on the bench then fine....that's your opinion.

+1

Here we go again. Say something and right away the spinsters will put other words in your post. It is not my opinion that the best should sit. It is my opinion that there is a big jump from high school to college ball and excelling in the college game requires preparation, study and lots and lots of drilling, repetition and hard work. Excellence comes from hard work and discipline. Big Ben, the one from Miami, red-shirted for crying out loud.
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L.C.
6/18/2016 11:16 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=allen]Here we go again. Say something and right away the spinsters will put other words in your post. It is not my opinion that the best should sit. It is my opinion that there is a big jump from high school to college ball and excelling in the college game requires preparation, study and lots and lots of drilling, repetition and hard work. Excellence comes from hard work and discipline. Big Ben, the one from Miami, red-shirted for crying out loud.

Exceptionally well said. Some positions are easier than others to transition from high school to division I. RB can be easier, while QB is almost always harder. Even then, some players are ready, as AJ was, while others, like Irons had things they needed to improve at.

The spinsters always say they want to play the players who are the most talented, and then let them learn on the job, rather than playing the players who give the team the best chance of winning the current game. That approach is intellectually dishonest, however, because if the coaches actually did it, and lost three or four extra games a year, they would be the ones yelling the loudest.
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Doc Bobcat
6/18/2016 11:42 AM
Not sure I'm a spinster....have dated a few lately. It just gets frustrating to watch talented people on the bench. Yeah I know blah blah blah they're immature....or spend too much time on Court Street. If they're having trouble learning the playbook then that's a different story. Experience is great....but also can be frustrating as in the QB position with INTs ...over or under thrown balls...or just plain not moving the offense. I'm hoping that someone on the roster now will step up. It has happened with TT and others and hopefully it will happen again.
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Bcat2
6/18/2016 1:27 PM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Not sure I'm a spinster....have dated a few lately. It just gets frustrating to watch talented people on the bench. Yeah I know blah blah blah they're immature....or spend too much time on Court Street. If they're having trouble learning the playbook then that's a different story. Experience is great....but also can be frustrating as in the QB position with INTs ...over or under thrown balls...or just plain not moving the offense. I'm hoping that someone on the roster now will step up. It has happened with TT and others and hopefully it will happen again.
It is my hope that the quality of the OL, receivers and backs will be such that Ohio will win without eye popping stats from the QB.
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allen
6/18/2016 1:30 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
I am amazed that some couch coaches believe a high school stud QB can easily walk on to campus and lead a D1 program to glory. That they are willing to trade fifth year senior production for true freshman production. Crutch helped as a true frosh but I sure would have loved to have seen him as a 5th year player.
I'm amazed that you have a short memory.

Let's just sit AJ on the bench as a Freshman and let everyone else fumble.

Hey if you believe that the best players can sit on the bench then fine....that's your opinion.

+1

Here we go again. Say something and right away the spinsters will put other words in your post. It is not my opinion that the best should sit. It is my opinion that there is a big jump from high school to college ball and excelling in the college game requires preparation, study and lots and lots of drilling, repetition and hard work. Excellence comes from hard work and discipline. Big Ben, the one from Miami, red-shirted for crying out loud.
It is hard position to come in and immediately start. Both of these kids are receiving Ivy League consideration and have a lot of talent. If someone can do it, they can. If they win the spot, they need to play. Here were the top 5 from last year. Kareem Wilson and Dontrell Jackson started as freshman. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/10/06/jos... /
Last Edited: 6/18/2016 1:37:23 PM by allen
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Doc Bobcat
6/18/2016 1:54 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
I am amazed that some couch coaches believe a high school stud QB can easily walk on to campus and lead a D1 program to glory. That they are willing to trade fifth year senior production for true freshman production. Crutch helped as a true frosh but I sure would have loved to have seen him as a 5th year player.
I'm amazed that you have a short memory.

Let's just sit AJ on the bench as a Freshman and let everyone else fumble.

Hey if you believe that the best players can sit on the bench then fine....that's your opinion.

+1

Here we go again. Say something and right away the spinsters will put other words in your post. It is not my opinion that the best should sit. It is my opinion that there is a big jump from high school to college ball and excelling in the college game requires preparation, study and lots and lots of drilling, repetition and hard work. Excellence comes from hard work and discipline. Big Ben, the one from Miami, red-shirted for crying out loud.
It is hard position to come in and immediately start. Both of these kids are receiving Ivy League consideration and have a lot of talent. If someone can do it, they can. If they win the spot, they need to play. Here were the top 5 from last year. Kareem Wilson and Dontrell Jackson started as freshman. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/10/06/jos... /


Thanks Allen....great article....but damn....using stats and numbers on here to support your argument...are you crazy....lol.
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allen
6/18/2016 8:35 PM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I am amazed that some couch coaches believe a high school stud QB can easily walk on to campus and lead a D1 program to glory. That they are willing to trade fifth year senior production for true freshman production. Crutch helped as a true frosh but I sure would have loved to have seen him as a 5th year player.
I'm amazed that you have a short memory.

Let's just sit AJ on the bench as a Freshman and let everyone else fumble.

Hey if you believe that the best players can sit on the bench then fine....that's your opinion.

+1

Here we go again. Say something and right away the spinsters will put other words in your post. It is not my opinion that the best should sit. It is my opinion that there is a big jump from high school to college ball and excelling in the college game requires preparation, study and lots and lots of drilling, repetition and hard work. Excellence comes from hard work and discipline. Big Ben, the one from Miami, red-shirted for crying out loud.
It is hard position to come in and immediately start. Both of these kids are receiving Ivy League consideration and have a lot of talent. If someone can do it, they can. If they win the spot, they need to play. Here were the top 5 from last year. Kareem Wilson and Dontrell Jackson started as freshman. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/10/06/jos... /


Thanks Allen....great article....but damn....using stats and numbers on here to support your argument...are you crazy....lol.

lol
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GoCats105
6/20/2016 4:49 PM
The "production" from the current QBs on the roster isn't all that to be hyped about so yeah, if a Freshman can come in here and play then so be it.

2,595 yards passing
51.8% comp
11 TDs
12 Ints

These are the combined stats for the two leading horses in the barn over their complete history at Ohio. Hopefully they make big strides this year because the offense could certainly use it.
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Bcat2
6/20/2016 6:20 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
The "production" from the current QBs on the roster isn't all that to be hyped about so yeah, if a Freshman can come in here and play then so be it.

2,595 yards passing
51.8% comp
11 TDs
12 Ints

These are the combined stats for the two leading horses in the barn over their complete history at Ohio. Hopefully they make big strides this year because the offense could certainly use it.


One of the horses in the barn has already "produced" vs BG. 2014 vs BG, 27-56 for 325 yards. The other finished the same game 7-8 for 61. Together vs BG they were 34-64 for 386 yards. Perhaps the horses in the barn need not to be thrown under the bus. Perhaps they need more help from those around them.
Last Edited: 6/20/2016 6:24:12 PM by Bcat2
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allen
6/21/2016 1:51 AM
both QB's that have played are seniors and will be leaving. If Duckworth, Krizanic and Maxwell can't beat out the new guys, they should not play. Maxwell averaged 100 yards passing per game in high school, so it may be a stretch to ask him to throw for 250-200 per game at the division 1 level. Krizanic and Duck worth have not shown anything yet. Let's win. These guys look like they could play this year and they are seniors in high school.
Last Edited: 6/21/2016 1:51:44 AM by allen
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Bcat2
6/21/2016 6:11 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
both QB's that have played are seniors and will be leaving. If Duckworth, Krizanic and Maxwell can't beat out the new guys, they should not play. Maxwell averaged 100 yards passing per game in high school, so it may be a stretch to ask him to throw for 250-200 per game at the division 1 level. Krizanic and Duck worth have not shown anything yet. Let's win. These guys look like they could play this year and they are seniors in high school.
The couch coach's most beloved player is the back up QB. Amazing how quickly Maxwell went from the next "Big Ben" to an afterthought. Be careful what you wish for.
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allen
6/21/2016 8:05 AM
Big Ben was what some BAer said the coaches compared Maxwell too and sarcastically said why do we even have a competition if we have Big Ben and 95% of the people got it, except for you. Big Ben passed for close to 4k his senior year not 1k. Proverbs 4:23 So as a man thinketh, so is he. I strive not the think mediocre. I like the believe and relentless mantra, not the I am conservative or I know the kid and really want him to play or it's Johnny's turn, I wash so and so's car and he told me he would start.
Last Edited: 6/21/2016 8:07:31 AM by allen
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L.C.
6/21/2016 9:12 AM
This whole conversation is rather pointless. You have no idea, any more than I do, how the QB position will play out. Sure, we can look at Maxwell's high school numbers of 100 yards a game, but do they tell us anything? Hardly. Did he have receivers that could get open, or catch the ball? A line that could give him long enough time to throw? An offense that involved him throwing? We don't know, so we can't extrapolate from high school to what he might do at Ohio. The same goes for Krizancic and Duckworth. Those who were at the Spring game are the only ones that have seen them play, and they haven't said much, if anything.

So, what do we know? We've seen both Sprague and Windham, so we can make some guesses about this fall, unless one of the other three beats them out. Beyond that, what else do we know? Almost nothing. About the only the we do know is that the coaches have not been overly concerned about the QB position. How do we know that? Last year they only sent offers to about 16-20 quarterbacks, and all were top players, 3-4 star players. When those players did not accept the Ohio offer, the coaches did not go after lesser quarterbacks or after JUCO quarterbacks. They took the approach that they wanted someone very good, or no one at all.

The took the same approach this year. They only offered 3-star or better quarterbacks again. This time not one, but two of the very good quarterbacks accepted. That bodes well for the future.

My position regarding the QB position over the next few years is that I'm not concerned about it. From watching his film, I think Maxwell is going to be outstanding, but on that I could be wrong. From watching the coaches, however, I have no doubt that they have confidence in at least one of the three quarterbacks they already have, or they would have been working much harder for a quarterback last year. Which of the three do they have confidence in? I have no way of knowing, but, I'm sticking with the approach that if they aren't worried, I'm not, either.
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allen
6/21/2016 9:29 AM
Maybe you have special film on Maxwell, I just want the best QB to play. If these kids come and beat out Maxwell, they should play.
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Robert Fox
6/21/2016 9:56 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
Maybe you have special film on Maxwell, I just want the best QB to play. If these kids come and beat out Maxwell, they should play.
Where are you getting the idea they won't?
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allen
6/21/2016 10:19 AM
Mr. Fox, this all started from a BAer saying these young men will have two years to prepare to play, assuming they both would redshirt. I countered that with, why do they have to wait two years?
Last Edited: 6/21/2016 10:20:46 AM by allen
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Robert Fox
6/21/2016 10:37 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
Mr. Fox, this all started from a BAer saying these young men will have two years to prepare to play, assuming they both would redshirt. I countered that with, why do they have to wait two years?
Ok, point taken. I forgot that's how this thread started. But still, that's one poster's opinion--no bearing on how the coaches will handle the situation.
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Bcat2
6/21/2016 11:09 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
Mr. Fox, this all started from a BAer saying these young men will have two years to prepare to play, assuming they both would redshirt. I countered that with, why do they have to wait two years?
The 2016 roster reflects two true Sophs (Hale and Croutch), three true Juniors (Ouellette, Pruehs and McCray) and three true Seniors (Smith, Sayles and Basham). These eight players were needed and have contributed without red-shirting. Players do not have to wait. However, as Ohio becomes stronger, season after season, the likelihood of freshmen walking in and being better than players who have benefited from three or four years of player development becomes less and less. The roster reflects seventy-eight players who have benefited from and have benefited the program by red-shirting. Ninety-one percent of those on the team have red-shirted. Big Ben, the one from Miami, red-shirted. Nine out of ten do, for good reason. However, should Mr. Moloney or Mr. Keszei be the one in ten, they will certainly play as Pruehs, Basham, Crutch, Sayles, Croutch, Hale, Ouellette and others have before them. No one has proposed that anyone will be required to wait, though, for some reason, nine out of ten do.
Last Edited: 6/21/2016 11:42:41 AM by Bcat2
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allen
6/21/2016 12:01 PM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
Mr. Fox, this all started from a BAer saying these young men will have two years to prepare to play, assuming they both would redshirt. I countered that with, why do they have to wait two years?
Ok, point taken. I forgot that's how this thread started. But still, that's one poster's opinion--no bearing on how the coaches will handle the situation.
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allen
6/21/2016 12:02 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Mr. Fox, this all started from a BAer saying these young men will have two years to prepare to play, assuming they both would redshirt. I countered that with, why do they have to wait two years?
The 2016 roster reflects two true Sophs (Hale and Croutch), three true Juniors (Ouellette, Pruehs and McCray) and three true Seniors (Smith, Sayles and Basham). These eight players were needed and have contributed without red-shirting. Players do not have to wait. However, as Ohio becomes stronger, season after season, the likelihood of freshmen walking in and being better than players who have benefited from three or four years of player development becomes less and less. The roster reflects seventy-eight players who have benefited from and have benefited the program by red-shirting. Ninety-one percent of those on the team have red-shirted. Big Ben, the one from Miami, red-shirted. Nine out of ten do, for good reason. However, should Mr. Moloney or Mr. Keszei be the one in ten, they will certainly play as Pruehs, Basham, Crutch, Sayles, Croutch, Hale, Ouellette and others have before them. No one has proposed that anyone will be required to wait, though, for some reason, nine out of ten do.

point taken
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