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OhioStunter
9/28/2018 9:36 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Can you imagine had CMU kept Brian Kelly or Butch Jones for 14 years? NIU kept Kill or Doeren for 14 years? Dino Babers for 14 years? Matt Campbell for 14 years? Hell, even Turner Gill or Brady Hoke for 14 years. PJ Fleck for 14 years?

Each of those coaches had at least one WOW season in the league ... and almost all of them won a MACC.

What is Frank's WOW season? Independence Bowl year? Potato Bowl?
Here's how the "WOW" seasons of the following coaches ended:
-Brian Kelly -- Motor City Bowl
-Butch Jones -- GMAC Bowl
-Jerry Kill -- Humanitarian Bowl
-Dino Babers -- GoDaddy Bowl
-Matt Campbell -- Boca Raton Bowl
-Brady Hoke -- GMAC Bowl
-Turner Gill -- International Bowl

Let's not downplay an Independence Bowl or Potato Bowl when these "WOW" seasons ended up with similar bowl games (and many bowl games Ohio has also been to).
So you're telling me you're just as happy with a Potato Bowl or Indy Bowl win compared to:

10-4 MACC & Motor City Bowl Win (Kelly)
7-6 MACC (Jones)
10-3 MACC plus win at Minnesota
& Humanitarian Bowl win (Kill)
10-4 MACC plus wins at Maryland & Purdue (Babers)
10-2 Wins at #18 Arkansas & vs Iowa St plus Boca Raton Bowl win (Campbell)
12-2 (12-0) Perfect regular season ... ranked #12 (Hoke)
8-6 MACC (Gill)

You're seriously short-changing these seasons. Each won had serious WOW factor if not ending with a league title.

Frank's closest WOW season was a win at Penn State who was in a complete tailspin as a program ... getting ranked #23 and then falling on their face only to rebound and beat UL Monroe in the Indy Bowl.

C'mon.

Each of the seasons referenced above are much better than that ... and it didn't take any of them 14 years in the MAC to add it to their resume.

Just quit. Please.
I'm telling you that ending those seasons with any of those bowl games (Potato and Independence included) are not WOW seasons. Ask any typical fan if they think those bowls are a WOW and most of them will say no.

Great seasons, yes. WOW seasons, no. NIU's Orange Bowl and WMU's Cotton Bowl were WOW seasons.
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bshot44
9/29/2018 7:40 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
Can you imagine had CMU kept Brian Kelly or Butch Jones for 14 years? NIU kept Kill or Doeren for 14 years? Dino Babers for 14 years? Matt Campbell for 14 years? Hell, even Turner Gill or Brady Hoke for 14 years. PJ Fleck for 14 years?

Each of those coaches had at least one WOW season in the league ... and almost all of them won a MACC.

What is Frank's WOW season? Independence Bowl year? Potato Bowl?
Here's how the "WOW" seasons of the following coaches ended:
-Brian Kelly -- Motor City Bowl
-Butch Jones -- GMAC Bowl
-Jerry Kill -- Humanitarian Bowl
-Dino Babers -- GoDaddy Bowl
-Matt Campbell -- Boca Raton Bowl
-Brady Hoke -- GMAC Bowl
-Turner Gill -- International Bowl

Let's not downplay an Independence Bowl or Potato Bowl when these "WOW" seasons ended up with similar bowl games (and many bowl games Ohio has also been to).
So you're telling me you're just as happy with a Potato Bowl or Indy Bowl win compared to:

10-4 MACC & Motor City Bowl Win (Kelly)
7-6 MACC (Jones)
10-3 MACC plus win at Minnesota
& Humanitarian Bowl win (Kill)
10-4 MACC plus wins at Maryland & Purdue (Babers)
10-2 Wins at #18 Arkansas & vs Iowa St plus Boca Raton Bowl win (Campbell)
12-2 (12-0) Perfect regular season ... ranked #12 (Hoke)
8-6 MACC (Gill)

You're seriously short-changing these seasons. Each won had serious WOW factor if not ending with a league title.

Frank's closest WOW season was a win at Penn State who was in a complete tailspin as a program ... getting ranked #23 and then falling on their face only to rebound and beat UL Monroe in the Indy Bowl.

C'mon.

Each of the seasons referenced above are much better than that ... and it didn't take any of them 14 years in the MAC to add it to their resume.

Just quit. Please.
I'm telling you that ending those seasons with any of those bowl games (Potato and Independence included) are not WOW seasons. Ask any typical fan if they think those bowls are a WOW and most of them will say no.

Great seasons, yes. WOW seasons, no. NIU's Orange Bowl and WMU's Cotton Bowl were WOW seasons.
You're telling me winning a league title is NOT a WOW season!?!?

You're telling me putting together a perfect 12-0 regular season isn't a WOW season?!?!

You're telling winning at #18 Arkansas AND beating Iowa St in same season isn't a WOW season?!?!

All because of the shitty MAC bowl tie-ins??? Is that all you measure a season's success ... the average bowl a MAC team is forced into?

You're nuts! Hahaha!

I'd take ANY of those memorable seasons over any season Frank has delivered the last 14 years.

It would be nice to have just one breakout season the didn't end in disappointment or be littered with an inexplicable loss
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bshot44
9/29/2018 7:45 AM
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The other "fact" about most (if not all) the coaches listed is they were younger than Solich, hungry, and wanted to/did move on. Not making any judgements because FS and Co have been good (even if not great) at Ohio.
So because Frank is older and doesn't want to leave Athens, he's not able to put together a memorable championship season? I see zero validity to that argument.

If anything, that stability should lead to more championships one could argue?

Again, I'm not here saying Frank hasn't been great for Ohio football. But he just hasn't delivered at the level like some other MAC schools have seen in the last 14 years.
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Casper71
9/29/2018 10:00 PM
I simply pointed out the difference in Championship coaches and FS. I hope next time we get a young, hungry guy that wants to move. I'd like to see one more Championship before I go six foot under and I don't have a whole lot of time left. 8-4 and Bowl games are nice but a MACC would be something many on here have never seen!
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bshot44
9/30/2018 12:51 AM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
I simply pointed out the difference in Championship coaches and FS. I hope next time we get a young, hungry guy that wants to move. I'd like to see one more Championship before I go six foot under and I don't have a whole lot of time left. 8-4 and Bowl games are nice but a MACC would be something many on here have never seen!
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RPO R6V
9/30/2018 1:46 AM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
I simply pointed out the difference in Championship coaches and FS. I hope next time we get a young, hungry guy that wants to move. I'd like to see one more Championship before I go six foot under and I don't have a whole lot of time left. 8-4 and Bowl games are nice but a MACC would be something many on here have never seen!
Amen. I missed the championship fifty years ago. I'm fifty years old!
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Doc Bobcat
9/30/2018 8:05 AM
RPO R6V wrote:expand_more
I simply pointed out the difference in Championship coaches and FS. I hope next time we get a young, hungry guy that wants to move. I'd like to see one more Championship before I go six foot under and I don't have a whole lot of time left. 8-4 and Bowl games are nice but a MACC would be something many on here have never seen!
Amen. I missed the championship fifty years ago. I'm fifty years old!
I was here.

It was glorious....but then again I’ll be 70 next week.
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BobcatPride
10/1/2018 12:39 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
I simply pointed out the difference in Championship coaches and FS. I hope next time we get a young, hungry guy that wants to move. I'd like to see one more Championship before I go six foot under and I don't have a whole lot of time left. 8-4 and Bowl games are nice but a MACC would be something many on here have never seen!
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OhioStunter
10/1/2018 4:34 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Can you imagine had CMU kept Brian Kelly or Butch Jones for 14 years? NIU kept Kill or Doeren for 14 years? Dino Babers for 14 years? Matt Campbell for 14 years? Hell, even Turner Gill or Brady Hoke for 14 years. PJ Fleck for 14 years?

Each of those coaches had at least one WOW season in the league ... and almost all of them won a MACC.

What is Frank's WOW season? Independence Bowl year? Potato Bowl?
Here's how the "WOW" seasons of the following coaches ended:
-Brian Kelly -- Motor City Bowl
-Butch Jones -- GMAC Bowl
-Jerry Kill -- Humanitarian Bowl
-Dino Babers -- GoDaddy Bowl
-Matt Campbell -- Boca Raton Bowl
-Brady Hoke -- GMAC Bowl
-Turner Gill -- International Bowl

Let's not downplay an Independence Bowl or Potato Bowl when these "WOW" seasons ended up with similar bowl games (and many bowl games Ohio has also been to).
So you're telling me you're just as happy with a Potato Bowl or Indy Bowl win compared to:

10-4 MACC & Motor City Bowl Win (Kelly)
7-6 MACC (Jones)
10-3 MACC plus win at Minnesota
& Humanitarian Bowl win (Kill)
10-4 MACC plus wins at Maryland & Purdue (Babers)
10-2 Wins at #18 Arkansas & vs Iowa St plus Boca Raton Bowl win (Campbell)
12-2 (12-0) Perfect regular season ... ranked #12 (Hoke)
8-6 MACC (Gill)

You're seriously short-changing these seasons. Each won had serious WOW factor if not ending with a league title.

Frank's closest WOW season was a win at Penn State who was in a complete tailspin as a program ... getting ranked #23 and then falling on their face only to rebound and beat UL Monroe in the Indy Bowl.

C'mon.

Each of the seasons referenced above are much better than that ... and it didn't take any of them 14 years in the MAC to add it to their resume.

Just quit. Please.
I'm telling you that ending those seasons with any of those bowl games (Potato and Independence included) are not WOW seasons. Ask any typical fan if they think those bowls are a WOW and most of them will say no.

Great seasons, yes. WOW seasons, no. NIU's Orange Bowl and WMU's Cotton Bowl were WOW seasons.
You're telling me putting together a perfect 12-0 regular season isn't a WOW season?!?!

It would be nice to have just one breakout season the didn't end in disappointment or be littered with an inexplicable loss
Didn't that perfect 12-0 regular season of Hoke's end with disappointment with a MACC loss and an inexplicable bowl loss to Tulsa?

If Frank did the same thing here, he'd continue to be vilified for a season that ended in disappointment and an inexplicable loss.

My other point is that no matter how well a MAC team does in the "regular season", you still end up in about the same place at the end of the year (a low-tier bowl game) -- and that's not really a WOW season to me.

On overall performance, the "gap" is really not that great between these "elite" MAC programs and Ohio. And for those that want to take the "next level", to where?
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bshot44
10/1/2018 11:36 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
... no matter how well a MAC team does in the "regular season", you still end up in about the same place at the end of the year (a low-tier bowl game) -- and that's not really a WOW season to me.

On overall performance, the "gap" is really not that great between these "elite" MAC programs and Ohio. And for those that want to take the "next level", to where?
Sorry. The details of a regular season can certainly make for a WOW season. The year Ohio got ranked, we got a small taste of what was shaping up to be a WOW season ... but then Ohio fell on their face to end regular season.

If Ohio beats Miami and continues to climb in rankings ... that would have been electric. There's something to be said for putting together a memorable regular season. Fans still cling to that Penn State win. Imagine winning on road at #18 ... or going 12-0. That's not WOW worthy?

Ohio hasn't had a buzzworthy season recently. Typical 7 or 8 wins and bowl berth. They're pretty much on cruise control.

But you're right ... the gap between great and Ohio is NOT that great. That's what is frustrating ... what is keeping them from closing that gap. 14 years of stability on this coaching staff and they're still stuck in same gear.
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TWT
10/2/2018 1:07 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
... no matter how well a MAC team does in the "regular season", you still end up in about the same place at the end of the year (a low-tier bowl game) -- and that's not really a WOW season to me.

On overall performance, the "gap" is really not that great between these "elite" MAC programs and Ohio. And for those that want to take the "next level", to where?
Sorry. The details of a regular season can certainly make for a WOW season. The year Ohio got ranked, we got a small taste of what was shaping up to be a WOW season ... but then Ohio fell on their face to end regular season.

If Ohio beats Miami and continues to climb in rankings ... that would have been electric. There's something to be said for putting together a memorable regular season. Fans still cling to that Penn State win. Imagine winning on road at #18 ... or going 12-0. That's not WOW worthy?

Ohio hasn't had a buzzworthy season recently. Typical 7 or 8 wins and bowl berth. They're pretty much on cruise control.

But you're right ... the gap between great and Ohio is NOT that great. That's what is frustrating ... what is keeping them from closing that gap. 14 years of stability on this coaching staff and they're still stuck in same gear.
For the longest time I thought it was our inability to put points on the board but that is no longer an issue. Game preparation and game plan are two areas we fall short in often. We've let games get out of hand before making adjustments.
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Maddog13
10/2/2018 3:16 AM
Frank and Company are obviously recruiting better and better players as evidenced by the growing amount of Bobcats in the NFL; however, they are still having to settle for inconsistent players due to Ohio's isolated location and lack of much of a media market. People criticize Frank and Company a lot for their play selection and preparation here, but I am not sure that this is the complete story. Should Ohio follow the other MAC teams when it comes to hiring the latest hot coaching staff, who have already packed their bags to go to the next level, I don't see this program being able to compete with other MAC schools with bigger local populations and better media markets. Say what you want, but Solich and Company have put the Bobcats in the National Spotlight and provided a nice player development program for late bloomers. Even Coach Burrow is getting a lot of attention due to his son, Joe, doing well at LSU.

I too get frustrated with predictable play calling, inconsistent passing, and Defensive Backs who seem beaten before the play even begins, but I also see a program that plays with sparks of brilliance at times, and I suspect that this program is actually doing the best that it can until Ohio produces a billionaire willing to invest in an independent Ohio Bobcat Network, a corporate box filled Mega stadium, and $1,000 dollar handshakes to Blue Chip recruits. At that point, I will become frustrated that Ohio does not win a National Championship every year, and I will grow anxious about the possibility that the NCAA will inch closer to busting the Bobcats on every recruiting violation imaginable.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
10/2/2018 9:08 AM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
Frank and Company are obviously recruiting better and better players as evidenced by the growing amount of Bobcats in the NFL; however, they are still having to settle for inconsistent players due to Ohio's isolated location and lack of much of a media market. People criticize Frank and Company a lot for their play selection and preparation here, but I am not sure that this is the complete story. Should Ohio follow the other MAC teams when it comes to hiring the latest hot coaching staff, who have already packed their bags to go to the next level, I don't see this program being able to compete with other MAC schools with bigger local populations and better media markets. Say what you want, but Solich and Company have put the Bobcats in the National Spotlight and provided a nice player development program for late bloomers. Even Coach Burrow is getting a lot of attention due to his son, Joe, doing well at LSU.

I too get frustrated with predictable play calling, inconsistent passing, and Defensive Backs who seem beaten before the play even begins, but I also see a program that plays with sparks of brilliance at times, and I suspect that this program is actually doing the best that it can until Ohio produces a billionaire willing to invest in an independent Ohio Bobcat Network, a corporate box filled Mega stadium, and $1,000 dollar handshakes to Blue Chip recruits. At that point, I will become frustrated that Ohio does not win a National Championship every year, and I will grow anxious about the possibility that the NCAA will inch closer to busting the Bobcats on every recruiting violation imaginable.
I see a lot of this. Was talking to my buddy who is going to move up the ranks of college athletics and we discussed this very question yesterday at great lengths.

If you're going to go the young gun move-up-n-move-out strategy, you better have a pipeline from a successful lower level program you can tap into where you can get young coaches cheap and have another one following. Examples of this would be Central Michigan when they went to Grand Valley State for coaches or Toledo right now with the Mount Union pipeline. This strategy can work if you have the right program but the second you deviate from it you better have someone that is not going to mess this up like CMU did when they went outside the GVSU family.

As to our alumni base, feels like somedays we have to do better to make our presence known in the state, whether that means at Friday night ballgames and events around town we're wearing green and white or just being more noticeable. Not sure how to solve that answer unless declaring a green and white day every week without sounding like North Korea and another May Day Parade.

As to the billionaire who can take this program to next level heights, only so many programs sit on the lottery ticket and have groomed them right to donate to athletics big time. Knowing us, I don't see that happening any time soon.....
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bshot44
10/2/2018 12:34 PM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
Frank and Company are obviously recruiting better and better players as evidenced by the growing amount of Bobcats in the NFL; however, they are still having to settle for inconsistent players due to Ohio's isolated location and lack of much of a media market.
... I suspect that this program is actually doing the best that it can until Ohio produces a billionaire willing to invest in an independent Ohio Bobcat Network, a corporate box filled Mega stadium, and $1,000 dollar handshakes to Blue Chip recruits. At that point, I will become frustrated that Ohio does not win a National Championship every year, and I will grow anxious about the possibility that the NCAA will inch closer to busting the Bobcats on every recruiting violation imaginable.
I'm not sure I'm on board with this ...

Athens is no more isolated than Mt. Pleasant, MI (CMU) and they've won multiple MACC since Frank got to town.

Miami isn't in a big media market because Dayton/Cincy basically ignore them and they've won a MACC.

Dekalb is basically the same distance from Chicago that Athens is from Columbus and they've been the model program in the MAC the last 14 years.

Location and media market are not an excuse for Ohio football's shortcomings.

And I don't think Ohio needs a billionaire to feed the program money.

Yes ... Ohio's stadium is substandard. But they have an indoor facility, a new academic center and it's been well established on here that Ohio is towards the top of the league in spending when it comes to football including salaries.

Excuses. All of them.

Nobody expects Ohio to compete for national titles. Competing for MAC titles is where this program realistically should be. And yes, they have been to 4 title games in 14 years ... but when will they win one? When will they look like the best program in the league for an entire season? Win back-to-back division titles?

They just cannot get over the hump. But I don't think money nor location have anything to do with not being able to win the MAC East back-to-back years
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OhioStunter
10/2/2018 12:52 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Frank and Company are obviously recruiting better and better players as evidenced by the growing amount of Bobcats in the NFL; however, they are still having to settle for inconsistent players due to Ohio's isolated location and lack of much of a media market.
... I suspect that this program is actually doing the best that it can until Ohio produces a billionaire willing to invest in an independent Ohio Bobcat Network, a corporate box filled Mega stadium, and $1,000 dollar handshakes to Blue Chip recruits. At that point, I will become frustrated that Ohio does not win a National Championship every year, and I will grow anxious about the possibility that the NCAA will inch closer to busting the Bobcats on every recruiting violation imaginable.
I'm not sure I'm on board with this ...

Athens is no more isolated than Mt. Pleasant, MI (CMU) and they've won multiple MACC since Frank got to town.

Miami isn't in a big media market because Dayton/Cincy basically ignore them and they've won a MACC.

Dekalb is basically the same distance from Chicago that Athens is from Columbus and they've been the model program in the MAC the last 14 years.

Location and media market are not an excuse for Ohio football's shortcomings.

And I don't think Ohio needs a billionaire to feed the program money.

Yes ... Ohio's stadium is substandard. But they have an indoor facility, a new academic center and it's been well established on here that Ohio is towards the top of the league in spending when it comes to football including salaries.

Excuses. All of them.

Nobody expects Ohio to compete for national titles. Competing for MAC titles is where this program realistically should be. And yes, they have been to 4 title games in 14 years ... but when will they win one? When will they look like the best program in the league for an entire season? Win back-to-back division titles?

They just cannot get over the hump. But I don't think money nor location have anything to do with not being able to win the MAC East back-to-back years
I agree, I'm not on board with using OU's location as an excuse, although I will say that NIU has less schools in the area to compete with than Ohio does.

I'm also not sure Solich has recruited better players. Previously, I took a look at all-MAC 1st and 2nd teamers and Ohio consistently falls in the middle of the pack when compared to peers. It seems consistently average.

Yes, we have some players in the NFL, but we still haven't had that blue chip player that is an NFL star (Mack, Hunt, Brown, Roethlisberger, etc.). That is surprising because I thought that an established coaching staff and a recent history of solid success would be a recruiting advantage. I've not seen it.
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bshot44
10/2/2018 3:25 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
Frank and Company are obviously recruiting better and better players as evidenced by the growing amount of Bobcats in the NFL; however, they are still having to settle for inconsistent players due to Ohio's isolated location and lack of much of a media market.
... I suspect that this program is actually doing the best that it can until Ohio produces a billionaire willing to invest in an independent Ohio Bobcat Network, a corporate box filled Mega stadium, and $1,000 dollar handshakes to Blue Chip recruits. At that point, I will become frustrated that Ohio does not win a National Championship every year, and I will grow anxious about the possibility that the NCAA will inch closer to busting the Bobcats on every recruiting violation imaginable.
I'm not sure I'm on board with this ...

Athens is no more isolated than Mt. Pleasant, MI (CMU) and they've won multiple MACC since Frank got to town.

Miami isn't in a big media market because Dayton/Cincy basically ignore them and they've won a MACC.

Dekalb is basically the same distance from Chicago that Athens is from Columbus and they've been the model program in the MAC the last 14 years.

Location and media market are not an excuse for Ohio football's shortcomings.

And I don't think Ohio needs a billionaire to feed the program money.

Yes ... Ohio's stadium is substandard. But they have an indoor facility, a new academic center and it's been well established on here that Ohio is towards the top of the league in spending when it comes to football including salaries.

Excuses. All of them.

Nobody expects Ohio to compete for national titles. Competing for MAC titles is where this program realistically should be. And yes, they have been to 4 title games in 14 years ... but when will they win one? When will they look like the best program in the league for an entire season? Win back-to-back division titles?

They just cannot get over the hump. But I don't think money nor location have anything to do with not being able to win the MAC East back-to-back years
I agree, I'm not on board with using OU's location as an excuse, although I will say that NIU has less schools in the area to compete with than Ohio does.

I'm also not sure Solich has recruited better players. Previously, I took a look at all-MAC 1st and 2nd teamers and Ohio consistently falls in the middle of the pack when compared to peers. It seems consistently average.

Yes, we have some players in the NFL, but we still haven't had that blue chip player that is an NFL star (Mack, Hunt, Brown, Roethlisberger, etc.). That is surprising because I thought that an established coaching staff and a recent history of solid success would be a recruiting advantage. I've not seen it.
Totally agree. Ohio doesn't normally have "star power" on it's roster. Closest they had was Tettleton until he quit on the team late in the 2012 season and was never the same.

Lavon Brazill, Kalvin McRae and Taylor Price were all solid MAC players ... but none of them transcendent like Kareem Hunt or Corey Davis.

Funny thing is, you don't see a lot of those guys littering NIU's roster either. Jordan Lynch, who was rated just a few slots higher than Tettleton in 2009 recruiting, obviously turned into a college stud. Larry English and Jimmy Ward were both 1st round NFL picks ... but NIU has achieved great success in the MAC with mostly a blue-collar roster and not a ton of superstar players.

NFL draftees in Solich era

WMU - 13
CMU - 11
Ohio - 9
NIU - 8
Toledo - 8
Buffalo - 8
Miami - 7
Akron - 5
BG - 4

MAC titles in Solich era

NIU - 3
CMU - 3
Bowling Green - 2
WMU - 1
Toledo -1
Miami - 1
Akron - 1
Buffalo - 1
Ohio - 0

Deduce what you'd like from this ... but appears other schools are doing more with less NFL talent than Ohio is producing?

And I totally understand, NFL draft picks don't necessarily equate to titles ... but it's not like Ohio is operating with bare-bones talent

247 Sports Avg Recruiting Ranking in MAC during Solich Era

Toledo - 1.7
BG - 5.5
NIU - 5.4
CMU - 6.1
Ohio - 7.6

Ohio is a middle-of-the-road MAC teams in terms of recruiting? Who's fault is that? Is BG that much more desirable? CMU?

With a name-brand like Frank Solich, you'd think that would get recruits. Well, it's not.

BG & CMU have been able to recruit at a higher level than Ohio in spite of a revolving door at coach the last 14 years. Both schools have had four head coaches in the Solich era and have combined to win 5 MAC titles.

How have they been able to achieve that success, but Ohio has not? Winning championships probably helped, right? Exciting brand of offense?

BG put only 4 guys into the NFL since Solich era has begun ... yet played in three straight MAC title games and won two of them.
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TWT
10/3/2018 12:15 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
Frank and Company are obviously recruiting better and better players as evidenced by the growing amount of Bobcats in the NFL; however, they are still having to settle for inconsistent players due to Ohio's isolated location and lack of much of a media market.
... I suspect that this program is actually doing the best that it can until Ohio produces a billionaire willing to invest in an independent Ohio Bobcat Network, a corporate box filled Mega stadium, and $1,000 dollar handshakes to Blue Chip recruits. At that point, I will become frustrated that Ohio does not win a National Championship every year, and I will grow anxious about the possibility that the NCAA will inch closer to busting the Bobcats on every recruiting violation imaginable.
I'm not sure I'm on board with this ...

Athens is no more isolated than Mt. Pleasant, MI (CMU) and they've won multiple MACC since Frank got to town.

Miami isn't in a big media market because Dayton/Cincy basically ignore them and they've won a MACC.

Dekalb is basically the same distance from Chicago that Athens is from Columbus and they've been the model program in the MAC the last 14 years.

Location and media market are not an excuse for Ohio football's shortcomings.

And I don't think Ohio needs a billionaire to feed the program money.

Yes ... Ohio's stadium is substandard. But they have an indoor facility, a new academic center and it's been well established on here that Ohio is towards the top of the league in spending when it comes to football including salaries.

Excuses. All of them.

Nobody expects Ohio to compete for national titles. Competing for MAC titles is where this program realistically should be. And yes, they have been to 4 title games in 14 years ... but when will they win one? When will they look like the best program in the league for an entire season? Win back-to-back division titles?

They just cannot get over the hump. But I don't think money nor location have anything to do with not being able to win the MAC East back-to-back years
I agree, I'm not on board with using OU's location as an excuse, although I will say that NIU has less schools in the area to compete with than Ohio does.
We are totally forgetting Ohio has one of the top college towns in the country as an asset for attracting players. It also has a big alumni base system wide. These factors offset schools in bigger metros which can't attract the players nor the donors since they don't win games. I would just say I think Ohio should go more head 2 head with the MAC West in recruiting up against NIU, WMU, CMU instead of by default respecting their turf.
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