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GoCats105
9/26/2018 2:54 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.
Here are highlights of three MAC football programs over the past 10 years. Which of these exactly is "pathetic mediocrity"?

A. 9.1 wins per season, 2 losing seasons, 2 bowl wins, top AP rating: #16
B. 8.0 wins per season, 2 losing seasons, 3 bowl wins, top AP ranking: #19
C. 7.8 wins per season, 1 losing season, 3 bowl wins, top AP ranking: #23
Again, mention the MAC Titles between those programs and which one went to a Power Bowl vs the Idaho Potato Bowl for all those 10 years.....
Again, if you want to measure mediocrity based on MAC titles as the sole factor, then yes, Ohio is pathetically mediocre. But a non-MAC win would have changed the narrative?
Let me give you an example here that might be transferable to our discussion here:

Michigan State football was for many years a true Jekyll and Hyde program. They would win games they had no business winning, and lose games that they had no business losing. In the process, they would lose games in horrific manners that would drive a fanbase nuts. In fact, they lost to Ohio $tate because they had 10 guys on a FG kick and Ohio $tate ran it back for a TD.

Michigan State got tired of this and attempted to change the narrative. They brought in Dantonio and was given financial resources and facility upgrades in an attempt to go toe-to-toe with the big boys of the Big Ten. He was able to pay his assistants top dollar and in the process was good enough to have a few coordinators plucked away from Michigan State to be head coaches (how many Solich coordinators in the last 10 years have moved up or become coaches? I rest my case). As Dantonio was given these resources, he took MSU to great heights, including MULTIPLE conference championships, BCS and Rose Bowl Appearances, and a College Football Playoff Appearance. During this time he's done an impressive job against rivals and had one truly bad season in his time up there.

For Michigan State to make the jump from mediocre, to good, to contending for nattys is nothing short of incredible. I look at Ohio University and go how come we haven't made the jump to winning MAC Titles? And if you don't think this is an apples to apples discussion, I can gladly bring IU into this maddening discussion for what OU looks like even though they have been so close to turning the corner.
They brought in Dantonio after Nick Saban left. In your analogy here, Nick Saban is Frank Solich.
Actually, they brought in Bobby Williams and John L Smith before they got to Dantonio.
And pretty easy to see why Saban left Michigan State for LSU.
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OhioStunter
9/26/2018 3:25 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.
Here are highlights of three MAC football programs over the past 10 years. Which of these exactly is "pathetic mediocrity"?

A. 9.1 wins per season, 2 losing seasons, 2 bowl wins, top AP rating: #16
B. 8.0 wins per season, 2 losing seasons, 3 bowl wins, top AP ranking: #19
C. 7.8 wins per season, 1 losing season, 3 bowl wins, top AP ranking: #23
Again, mention the MAC Titles between those programs and which one went to a Power Bowl vs the Idaho Potato Bowl for all those 10 years.....
Again, if you want to measure mediocrity based on MAC titles as the sole factor, then yes, Ohio is pathetically mediocre. But a non-MAC win would have changed the narrative?
Let me give you an example here that might be transferable to our discussion here:

Michigan State football was for many years a true Jekyll and Hyde program. They would win games they had no business winning, and lose games that they had no business losing. In the process, they would lose games in horrific manners that would drive a fanbase nuts. In fact, they lost to Ohio $tate because they had 10 guys on a FG kick and Ohio $tate ran it back for a TD.

Michigan State got tired of this and attempted to change the narrative. They brought in Dantonio and was given financial resources and facility upgrades in an attempt to go toe-to-toe with the big boys of the Big Ten. He was able to pay his assistants top dollar and in the process was good enough to have a few coordinators plucked away from Michigan State to be head coaches (how many Solich coordinators in the last 10 years have moved up or become coaches? I rest my case). As Dantonio was given these resources, he took MSU to great heights, including MULTIPLE conference championships, BCS and Rose Bowl Appearances, and a College Football Playoff Appearance. During this time he's done an impressive job against rivals and had one truly bad season in his time up there.

For Michigan State to make the jump from mediocre, to good, to contending for nattys is nothing short of incredible. I look at Ohio University and go how come we haven't made the jump to winning MAC Titles? And if you don't think this is an apples to apples discussion, I can gladly bring IU into this maddening discussion for what OU looks like even though they have been so close to turning the corner.
They brought in Dantonio after Nick Saban left. In your analogy here, Nick Saban is Frank Solich.
Actually, they brought in Bobby Williams and John L Smith before they got to Dantonio.
And pretty easy to see why Saban left Michigan State for LSU.
Saban never won any conference championships with MSU. Terrible.
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bshot44
9/26/2018 3:36 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.
Here are highlights of three MAC football programs over the past 10 years. Which of these exactly is "pathetic mediocrity"?

A. 9.1 wins per season, 2 losing seasons, 2 bowl wins, top AP rating: #16
B. 8.0 wins per season, 2 losing seasons, 3 bowl wins, top AP ranking: #19
C. 7.8 wins per season, 1 losing season, 3 bowl wins, top AP ranking: #23
Again, mention the MAC Titles between those programs and which one went to a Power Bowl vs the Idaho Potato Bowl for all those 10 years.....
Again, if you want to measure mediocrity based on MAC titles as the sole factor, then yes, Ohio is pathetically mediocre. But a non-MAC win would have changed the narrative?
Let me give you an example here that might be transferable to our discussion here:

Michigan State football was for many years a true Jekyll and Hyde program. They would win games they had no business winning, and lose games that they had no business losing. In the process, they would lose games in horrific manners that would drive a fanbase nuts. In fact, they lost to Ohio $tate because they had 10 guys on a FG kick and Ohio $tate ran it back for a TD.

Michigan State got tired of this and attempted to change the narrative. They brought in Dantonio and was given financial resources and facility upgrades in an attempt to go toe-to-toe with the big boys of the Big Ten. He was able to pay his assistants top dollar and in the process was good enough to have a few coordinators plucked away from Michigan State to be head coaches (how many Solich coordinators in the last 10 years have moved up or become coaches? I rest my case). As Dantonio was given these resources, he took MSU to great heights, including MULTIPLE conference championships, BCS and Rose Bowl Appearances, and a College Football Playoff Appearance. During this time he's done an impressive job against rivals and had one truly bad season in his time up there.

For Michigan State to make the jump from mediocre, to good, to contending for nattys is nothing short of incredible. I look at Ohio University and go how come we haven't made the jump to winning MAC Titles? And if you don't think this is an apples to apples discussion, I can gladly bring IU into this maddening discussion for what OU looks like even though they have been so close to turning the corner.
They brought in Dantonio after Nick Saban left. In your analogy here, Nick Saban is Frank Solich.
Actually, they brought in Bobby Williams and John L Smith before they got to Dantonio.
And pretty easy to see why Saban left Michigan State for LSU.
Saban never won any conference championships with MSU. Terrible.
Yep. In his long five years in East Lansing ... they didn't win a league title.

Thankfully, Frank has only had 14 years in Athens in a far, far less competitive league to win one.
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OhioStunter
9/26/2018 6:20 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.
Here are highlights of three MAC football programs over the past 10 years. Which of these exactly is "pathetic mediocrity"?

A. 9.1 wins per season, 2 losing seasons, 2 bowl wins, top AP rating: #16
B. 8.0 wins per season, 2 losing seasons, 3 bowl wins, top AP ranking: #19
C. 7.8 wins per season, 1 losing season, 3 bowl wins, top AP ranking: #23
Again, mention the MAC Titles between those programs and which one went to a Power Bowl vs the Idaho Potato Bowl for all those 10 years.....
Again, if you want to measure mediocrity based on MAC titles as the sole factor, then yes, Ohio is pathetically mediocre. But a non-MAC win would have changed the narrative?
Let me give you an example here that might be transferable to our discussion here:

Michigan State football was for many years a true Jekyll and Hyde program. They would win games they had no business winning, and lose games that they had no business losing. In the process, they would lose games in horrific manners that would drive a fanbase nuts. In fact, they lost to Ohio $tate because they had 10 guys on a FG kick and Ohio $tate ran it back for a TD.

Michigan State got tired of this and attempted to change the narrative. They brought in Dantonio and was given financial resources and facility upgrades in an attempt to go toe-to-toe with the big boys of the Big Ten. He was able to pay his assistants top dollar and in the process was good enough to have a few coordinators plucked away from Michigan State to be head coaches (how many Solich coordinators in the last 10 years have moved up or become coaches? I rest my case). As Dantonio was given these resources, he took MSU to great heights, including MULTIPLE conference championships, BCS and Rose Bowl Appearances, and a College Football Playoff Appearance. During this time he's done an impressive job against rivals and had one truly bad season in his time up there.

For Michigan State to make the jump from mediocre, to good, to contending for nattys is nothing short of incredible. I look at Ohio University and go how come we haven't made the jump to winning MAC Titles? And if you don't think this is an apples to apples discussion, I can gladly bring IU into this maddening discussion for what OU looks like even though they have been so close to turning the corner.
They brought in Dantonio after Nick Saban left. In your analogy here, Nick Saban is Frank Solich.
Actually, they brought in Bobby Williams and John L Smith before they got to Dantonio.
And pretty easy to see why Saban left Michigan State for LSU.
Saban never won any conference championships with MSU. Terrible.
Yep. In his long five years in East Lansing ... they didn't win a league title.

Thankfully, Frank has only had 14 years in Athens in a far, far less competitive league to win one.
Right. Saban won games. Went to bowls. But wasn't taking MSU to the next level. Wasn't even winning conference titles. (sound familiar?)

The next two coaches that came in were abysmal. It was basically a wasted decade for MSU until Dantonio came on board.

Some seem to think that there's an obvious messiah for Ohio football out there that is going to break through to the next level of Ohio football -- way, way beyond what Solich has done. MAC title? New Year's Bowl? Domed stadium? Let's do it!

Of course, there's very little chance that the next coach could be more like Williams and Smith than it would be Dantonio. I mean, hiring a coach that can lead us to an undefeated season with OOC wins vs. the Big Ten and ACC is easy. How would we ever know if we don't take that chance, right?

To quote the famous musical artist of the 1980s, Cinderella, you don't know what you got (until it's gone).
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Buckeye to Bobcat
9/26/2018 6:49 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.
Here are highlights of three MAC football programs over the past 10 years. Which of these exactly is "pathetic mediocrity"?

A. 9.1 wins per season, 2 losing seasons, 2 bowl wins, top AP rating: #16
B. 8.0 wins per season, 2 losing seasons, 3 bowl wins, top AP ranking: #19
C. 7.8 wins per season, 1 losing season, 3 bowl wins, top AP ranking: #23
Again, mention the MAC Titles between those programs and which one went to a Power Bowl vs the Idaho Potato Bowl for all those 10 years.....
Again, if you want to measure mediocrity based on MAC titles as the sole factor, then yes, Ohio is pathetically mediocre. But a non-MAC win would have changed the narrative?
Let me give you an example here that might be transferable to our discussion here:

Michigan State football was for many years a true Jekyll and Hyde program. They would win games they had no business winning, and lose games that they had no business losing. In the process, they would lose games in horrific manners that would drive a fanbase nuts. In fact, they lost to Ohio $tate because they had 10 guys on a FG kick and Ohio $tate ran it back for a TD.

Michigan State got tired of this and attempted to change the narrative. They brought in Dantonio and was given financial resources and facility upgrades in an attempt to go toe-to-toe with the big boys of the Big Ten. He was able to pay his assistants top dollar and in the process was good enough to have a few coordinators plucked away from Michigan State to be head coaches (how many Solich coordinators in the last 10 years have moved up or become coaches? I rest my case). As Dantonio was given these resources, he took MSU to great heights, including MULTIPLE conference championships, BCS and Rose Bowl Appearances, and a College Football Playoff Appearance. During this time he's done an impressive job against rivals and had one truly bad season in his time up there.

For Michigan State to make the jump from mediocre, to good, to contending for nattys is nothing short of incredible. I look at Ohio University and go how come we haven't made the jump to winning MAC Titles? And if you don't think this is an apples to apples discussion, I can gladly bring IU into this maddening discussion for what OU looks like even though they have been so close to turning the corner.
They brought in Dantonio after Nick Saban left. In your analogy here, Nick Saban is Frank Solich.
Actually, they brought in Bobby Williams and John L Smith before they got to Dantonio.
And pretty easy to see why Saban left Michigan State for LSU.
Saban never won any conference championships with MSU. Terrible.
Yep. In his long five years in East Lansing ... they didn't win a league title.

Thankfully, Frank has only had 14 years in Athens in a far, far less competitive league to win one.
Right. Saban won games. Went to bowls. But wasn't taking MSU to the next level. Wasn't even winning conference titles. (sound familiar?)

The next two coaches that came in were abysmal. It was basically a wasted decade for MSU until Dantonio came on board.

Some seem to think that there's an obvious messiah for Ohio football out there that is going to break through to the next level of Ohio football -- way, way beyond what Solich has done. MAC title? New Year's Bowl? Domed stadium? Let's do it!

Of course, there's very little chance that the next coach could be more like Williams and Smith than it would be Dantonio. I mean, hiring a coach that can lead us to an undefeated season with OOC wins vs. the Big Ten and ACC is easy. How would we ever know if we don't take that chance, right?

To quote the famous musical artist of the 1980s, Cinderella, you don't know what you got (until it's gone).
And I've already put my chips on the table as to who that guy is. And that guy is Tom Arth of Chattanooga.

Just because we won't know what we got til it's gone doesn't scare me. What scares me is standing pat with the status quo and hoping that magic fairy dust delivers us a MAC Title given it's the same dust used for 14 years.
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GovtMuleMan
9/27/2018 8:54 AM
If word of that got out on campus, the usual academics who despise athletics would cause an epic sh!t storm of resistance.
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Bcat2
9/27/2018 12:21 PM
Who knew? A few months after we see Phil Steele rating Ohio's coaching as #1 in the MAC it is time send the lot packing. Well, schools that buy out contracts depend upon the irate big donors to put their money where their displeasure is. Like any $$$$$ venture someone will need to get the ball rolling ........
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bshot44
9/27/2018 1:02 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Who knew? A few months after we see Phil Steele rating Ohio's coaching as #1 in the MAC it is time send the lot packing. Well, schools that buy out contracts depend upon the irate big donors to put their money where their displeasure is. Like any $$$$$ venture someone will need to get the ball rolling ........

Well if Phil Steele has them #1 .... case closed.
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Bcat2
9/27/2018 5:27 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Who knew? A few months after we see Phil Steele rating Ohio's coaching as #1 in the MAC it is time send the lot packing. Well, schools that buy out contracts depend upon the irate big donors to put their money where their displeasure is. Like any $$$$$ venture someone will need to get the ball rolling ........

Well if Phil Steele has them #1 .... case closed.
Irate fans run off coaches. It happens. Coach Solich would understand, as do I. There are no guarantees. Coach Solich has seen it before when six years at Nebraska 58-19, .753 winning, 1 Big 12 championship, 2X Big 12 COY was unacceptable. They do have all those conference championships since coach Solich, no wait, never mind, If now at Ohio .577 winning, 8 bowls, the only MAC bowl win just last season is unacceptable, so be it. Have at it. Not sure how the players would feel about it. I have spoken to the families of players and in every case they are very glad coach Solich is at Ohio. No one wants to work where they are not appreciated. Coach Solich has had a good run. Sure did not expect to see 98 wins and 14 years when he was hired. Let the chips fall where they may.
Last Edited: 9/27/2018 5:33:16 PM by Bcat2
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bshot44
9/27/2018 7:30 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Who knew? A few months after we see Phil Steele rating Ohio's coaching as #1 in the MAC it is time send the lot packing. Well, schools that buy out contracts depend upon the irate big donors to put their money where their displeasure is. Like any $$$$$ venture someone will need to get the ball rolling ........

Well if Phil Steele has them #1 .... case closed.
Irate fans run off coaches. It happens. Coach Solich would understand, as do I. There are no guarantees. Coach Solich has seen it before when six years at Nebraska 58-19, .753 winning, 1 Big 12 championship, 2X Big 12 COY was unacceptable. They do have all those conference championships since coach Solich, no wait, never mind, If now at Ohio .577 winning, 8 bowls, the only MAC bowl win just last season is unacceptable, so be it. Have at it. Not sure how the players would feel about it. I have spoken to the families of players and in every case they are very glad coach Solich is at Ohio. No one wants to work where they are not appreciated. Coach Solich has had a good run. Sure did not expect to see 98 wins and 14 years when he was hired. Let the chips fall where they may.
Ok ....

Irate fans at Ohio do not equate to irate fans from Nebraska. It's not even close. Nebraska fans/boosters have a voice loud enough to warrant change. Ohio fans do not (despite what some think). Ohio is NOT in the business of winning national titles. Nebraska (during that era) was in the business of winning titles. Dismissing Frank was obviously a mistake for them based on the results since. But that's because:

A) they hired the wrong guys (Callahan, Pelini & Riley)
B) they joined the B1G. Completely different environment they've never got comfortable in.

Nebraska was used to winning & competing for national titles. Ohio was used to ..... well, losing. So obviously Frank was a massive upgrade and what he's done for this program will never be forgotten.

Nobody is going to successfully run him out of Athens ... it isn't happening. So just quit acting like that will ever happen. It just won't. He will retire when he wants.

But while he's here ... the bar and expectation have been set.

7 or 8 wins ... anywhere from 4-4 to 6-2 in the MAC.

Frank is 64-40 in league games going into his 14th MAC season.

In comparison ...

Akron 35-69
Kent 38-66
BG 58-46
Miami 41-62
Buffalo 38-65

So Ohio has been, outside of BG, the most consistent team in the worst division in college football ... but have only 4 division titles in 13 years ... no back to back titles ... and no overall title while the rest of the division has five. So in MAC title games since 2005, Ohio is 0-4 while the rest of the East is 5-5. How does Miami, Akron & Buffalo all stumble into a title ... BG twice ... but Ohio can't get over the hump?

In the much, much more competitive West since 2004

CMU 65-38
EMU 25-78
WMU 63-40
NIU 77-27
UT 67-36
Ball 54-49

NIU, CMU have 3 MACC ... WMU & UT each have one.

8 different teams have won a MAC title ... no team has 4 title game losses outside of Ohio.

Ohio is arguably 4th or 5th or 6th best team in MAC in last 14 years.

That is light years above where they are pre-Solich. But it's not exactly dominating a league that is ripe for dominating especially if you have a coaching staff 14 years & counting.

Can you imagine had CMU kept Brian Kelly or Butch Jones for 14 years? NIU kept Kill or Doeren for 14 years? Dino Babers for 14 years? Matt Campbell for 14 years? Hell, even Turner Gill or Brady Hoke for 14 years. PJ Fleck for 14 years?

Each of those coaches had at least one WOW season in the league ... and almost all of them won a MACC.

What is Frank's WOW season? Independence Bowl year? Potato Bowl?

I don't think anyone doesn't appreciate Frank or what he's done. But that's what you always come back to. It's just not true.

Quit making this all about extremes.

The bottom line is Frank has built Ohio into a middle of the road MAC program. The numbers don't lie. Maybe Ohio doesn't have an occasional 1-7 MAC season ... but they also don't have an 8-0 MACC season.

After 14 years, it would be nice to elevate past middle of the road MAC.

Frank might not ever get Ohio there.

Doesn't mean he's a failure. But it doesn't mean fans can raise expectations a little?

Until he decides it's time to retire ... Ohio is a 7-5, 8-4 (5-3, 6-2) bowl eligible program. Period.

Call me negative. Call me debbie downer. Hell, be Sam Bobcat and call me a spoiled little child that demands what's rightfully mine (whatever that means) ... but these are just facts I've laid out. Indisputable facts.

People will twist them into whatever they want.
Last Edited: 9/27/2018 7:32:29 PM by bshot44
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Ohio69
9/28/2018 8:40 AM
You guys realize Coach Solich is basically going to be here as long as he wants. Right?
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Valley Cat
9/28/2018 8:42 AM
Buyout info? I’m more interested in why we can’t get Frank an Adidas hat?
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bshot44
9/28/2018 10:17 AM
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You guys realize Coach Solich is basically going to be here as long as he wants. Right? [/QUOTE]Exxxxxxxactly!

[QUOTE=Valley Cat] Buyout info? I’m more interested in why we can’t get Frank an Adidas hat?
This might be more stunning than the horrific defense. Did he take advantage of the free shipping from Bobcat Depot?!?!

https://bobcatdepot.ohio.edu/ePOS?form=shared3/gm/merch.h...
Last Edited: 9/28/2018 10:17:50 AM by bshot44
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The Optimist
9/28/2018 10:47 AM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
You guys realize Coach Solich is basically going to be here as long as he wants. Right?
As he should be.

We struggled to have winning seasons for decades. People need to get over themselves.
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Valley Cat
9/28/2018 11:34 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
You guys realize Coach Solich is basically going to be here as long as he wants. Right?
Exxxxxxxactly!

Buyout info? I’m more interested in why we can’t get Frank an Adidas hat?
This might be more stunning than the horrific defense. Did he take advantage of the free shipping from Bobcat Depot?!?!

https://bobcatdepot.ohio.edu/ePOS?form=shared3/gm/merch.h...

I mean one week I get it but something tells me there is an extra hat with three stripes on it we can hook Frank up with.
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bshot44
9/28/2018 12:42 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
You guys realize Coach Solich is basically going to be here as long as he wants. Right?
As he should be.

We struggled to have winning seasons for decades. People need to get over themselves.
Quit setting the bar so incredibly low for this program. We sucked 15 years ago ... and did for 20+ years before that. Get over it.

We don't suck anymore.

Let's start winning championships ... why is that such an insane aspiration?
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Ohio69
9/28/2018 1:27 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
You guys realize Coach Solich is basically going to be here as long as he wants. Right?
As he should be.

We struggled to have winning seasons for decades. People need to get over themselves.
Quit setting the bar so incredibly low for this program. We sucked 15 years ago ... and did for 20+ years before that. Get over it.

We don't suck anymore.

Let's start winning championships ... why is that such an insane aspiration?
It's not an insane aspiration. We've played in 4 of them. Incredibly frustrating we haven't won any. I think Ohio football should play in the MAC title game at least once every 3-4-5 years or so. Seems like we have. So, I'm not ready to change staffs. I know this is where we come to vent. Shoulda just let this string be but I guess I couldn't help posting what jumped into my head a that moment. Looks like it could be great football weather tomorrow and a shootout. Should be fun.
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bshot44
9/28/2018 3:24 PM
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It's not an insane aspiration. We've played in 4 of them. Incredibly frustrating we haven't won any. I think Ohio football should play in the MAC title game at least once every 3-4-5 years or so. Seems like we have. [/QUOTE]Eh. Not sure 3-5 years is really the bar we should set? NIU has played in 7 of the last 13, including six in a row. That's more of what I'm thinking Ohio could be in the lowly East division.

I know this is where we come to vent.
FACT! 😁

[QUOTE=Ohio69] Looks like it could be great football weather tomorrow. Should be fun.
Couldn't agree more! Looking forward to the final Saturday tailgate of the season. Thanks MAC 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕 (I'm out of town for BG game)
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OhioStunter
9/28/2018 5:15 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Can you imagine had CMU kept Brian Kelly or Butch Jones for 14 years? NIU kept Kill or Doeren for 14 years? Dino Babers for 14 years? Matt Campbell for 14 years? Hell, even Turner Gill or Brady Hoke for 14 years. PJ Fleck for 14 years?

Each of those coaches had at least one WOW season in the league ... and almost all of them won a MACC.

What is Frank's WOW season? Independence Bowl year? Potato Bowl?
Here's how the "WOW" seasons of the following coaches ended:
-Brian Kelly -- Motor City Bowl
-Butch Jones -- GMAC Bowl
-Jerry Kill -- Humanitarian Bowl
-Dino Babers -- GoDaddy Bowl
-Matt Campbell -- Boca Raton Bowl
-Brady Hoke -- GMAC Bowl
-Turner Gill -- International Bowl

Let's not downplay an Independence Bowl or Potato Bowl when these "WOW" seasons ended up with similar bowl games (and many bowl games Ohio has also been to).
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giacomo
9/28/2018 5:36 PM
Many here need a reality check.
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bshot44
9/28/2018 6:42 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
Can you imagine had CMU kept Brian Kelly or Butch Jones for 14 years? NIU kept Kill or Doeren for 14 years? Dino Babers for 14 years? Matt Campbell for 14 years? Hell, even Turner Gill or Brady Hoke for 14 years. PJ Fleck for 14 years?

Each of those coaches had at least one WOW season in the league ... and almost all of them won a MACC.

What is Frank's WOW season? Independence Bowl year? Potato Bowl?
Here's how the "WOW" seasons of the following coaches ended:
-Brian Kelly -- Motor City Bowl
-Butch Jones -- GMAC Bowl
-Jerry Kill -- Humanitarian Bowl
-Dino Babers -- GoDaddy Bowl
-Matt Campbell -- Boca Raton Bowl
-Brady Hoke -- GMAC Bowl
-Turner Gill -- International Bowl

Let's not downplay an Independence Bowl or Potato Bowl when these "WOW" seasons ended up with similar bowl games (and many bowl games Ohio has also been to).
So you're telling me you're just as happy with a Potato Bowl or Indy Bowl win compared to:

10-4 MACC & Motor City Bowl Win (Kelly)
7-6 MACC (Jones)
10-3 MACC plus win at Minnesota
& Humanitarian Bowl win (Kill)
10-4 MACC plus wins at Maryland & Purdue (Babers)
10-2 Wins at #18 Arkansas & vs Iowa St plus Boca Raton Bowl win (Campbell)
12-2 (12-0) Perfect regular season ... ranked #12 (Hoke)
8-6 MACC (Gill)

You're seriously short-changing these seasons. Each won had serious WOW factor if not ending with a league title.

Frank's closest WOW season was a win at Penn State who was in a complete tailspin as a program ... getting ranked #23 and then falling on their face only to rebound and beat UL Monroe in the Indy Bowl.

C'mon.

Each of the seasons referenced above are much better than that ... and it didn't take any of them 14 years in the MAC to add it to their resume.

Just quit. Please.
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Bobcat1996
9/28/2018 7:38 PM
The big spenders on this website that want Frank and his staff bought out, pony up! You continue to complain week after week, but if you really want it to happen, PAY UP! Give the university three million dollars and buy out their contracts! And while you are at it, give them more money to select the coach of your choosing. Good luck with that.
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bshot44
9/28/2018 7:53 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
The big spenders on this website that want Frank and his staff bought out, pony up! You continue to complain week after week, but if you really want it to happen, PAY UP! Give the university three million dollars and buy out their contracts! And while you are at it, give them more money to select the coach of your choosing. Good luck with that.
Why is this so hard to comprehend? Find one time I talk about buying Frank out or firing Frank?

Good luck.

Don't believe in either of those ideas.

But I'm also realistic in where Ohio is as a program and what's been accomplished the last 14 years in comparison to others in the MAC.

Frank has been terrific! But he and his staff hasn't delivered a championship nor do I believe they will. It is what it is.

Quit making everything about extremes. Goodness.

Facts are facts.
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Casper71
9/28/2018 8:06 PM
The other "fact" about most (if not all) the coaches listed is they were younger than Solich, hungry, and wanted to/did move on. Not making any judgements because FS and Co have been good (even if not great) at Ohio.
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TheBobcatBandit
9/28/2018 9:20 PM
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You guys realize Coach Solich is basically going to be here as long as he wants. Right?
As he should be.

We struggled to have winning seasons for decades. People need to get over themselves.
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