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Mark Lembright '85
10/26/2018 4:53 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
I don't really care how many football junkies watch MACaction. It is only a benefit to OHIO if we attract football players from Texas or Cali or wherever, get more students to enroll at Ohio, or get more alumni money. I suggest someone survey frosh recruits, new students, and alumni to see if the mid week games are worth it. I gotta believe crowds of 20,000 on Saturday would offset some of the ESPN money. Right now, nobody really knows the value of midweek games. And it does look like the MAC gets screwed given how many games the league plays vs the peer conferences.
Unfortunately, even if the post-Homecoming games were on Saturday afternoons, I don't think you'd see 20,000 at Peden Stadium.
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Pataskala
10/26/2018 5:06 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
I don't really care how many football junkies watch MACaction. It is only a benefit to OHIO if we attract football players from Texas or Cali or wherever, get more students to enroll at Ohio, or get more alumni money. I suggest someone survey frosh recruits, new students, and alumni to see if the mid week games are worth it. I gotta believe crowds of 20,000 on Saturday would offset some of the ESPN money. Right now, nobody really knows the value of midweek games. And it does look like the MAC gets screwed given how many games the league plays vs the peer conferences.
Unfortunately, even if the post-Homecoming games were on Saturday afternoons, I don't think you'd see 20,000 at Peden Stadium.
Tomorrow is supposed to be rainy and in the 40s. If last night's game had been scheduled for tomorrow, the crowd would likely be about the same size.
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joefromperry
10/26/2018 5:58 PM
I'm very curious as to whether or how much the money from ESPN / weeknight games offsets the loss of money from tickets, both season tickets and gate tickets, considering how empty the stadium is on the typical weeknight game. Last night was really dismal. Maybe that's a question for the MAC people or OHIO administration.
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MonroeClassmate
10/26/2018 7:12 PM
None of these ideas that have been posted will see the light of day with MAC headquarters as those folks are tone deaf or worse, know-it-alls.

Screw the NFL and NBA--get these MAC games on Thanksgiving Day. Living in northern Ohio I might even go to see a game at Kent or Akron that morning. (Those black Friday AM games are the worst--refs, players and band members all miss the full day of Thanksgiving anyway so play the games on Turkey Day)

Limit the mid-week games to two per team--one being the MAC Turkey Day Celebration. The others can be staggered during the weeks of November with bye-week recovery for most teams. Result is still mid-week MACtion and a new tradition on Turkey Day and an additional Saturday game vs the current format.
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Bobcat110
10/27/2018 11:26 AM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=Casper71] Unfortunately, even if the post-Homecoming games were on Saturday afternoons, I don't think you'd see 20,000 at Peden Stadium.
I agree, except for maybe having a home game dads weekend (first full weekend in November) either Friday night or Saturday afternoon depending on least disruptive scheduling for games week before or after.
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bshot44
10/30/2018 1:40 PM
Who's ready for midweek #MACtion?!?!

This week we feature (1-7) Kent at (1-7) BG!!!

Try to temper the excitement!

Over/under 1000 fans at Doyt tonight?

Oh! Almost forgot ... both of these teams are coming off 9 days rest while Toledo & Ball both are playing their 3rd game in 12 days tomorrow night.

Yup. Keep telling us this is a good idea MAC.

Mouth is watering for that BG v CMU game we get later for a midweek spotlight game!
Last Edited: 10/30/2018 1:40:48 PM by bshot44
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Bobcat110
10/30/2018 1:55 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Who's ready for midweek #MACtion?!?!

This week we feature (1-7) Kent at (1-7) BG!!!

Try to temper the excitement!

Over/under 1000 fans at Doyt tonight?

Oh! Almost forgot ... both of these teams are coming off 9 days rest while Toledo & Ball both are playing their 3rd game in 12 days tomorrow night.

Yup. Keep telling us this is a good idea MAC.

Mouth is watering for that BG v CMU game we get later for a midweek spotlight game!
You conveniently forgot the Buffalo/Miami game tonight (8pm, ESPN2). That game decides the lead for the MAC East. Could make things interesting if Miami were to pull the upset, but I'd take Buffalo minus the 7 points if I were in Vegas.
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bshot44
10/30/2018 2:08 PM
Bobcat110 wrote:expand_more
Who's ready for midweek #MACtion?!?!

This week we feature (1-7) Kent at (1-7) BG!!!

Try to temper the excitement!

Over/under 1000 fans at Doyt tonight?

Oh! Almost forgot ... both of these teams are coming off 9 days rest while Toledo & Ball both are playing their 3rd game in 12 days tomorrow night.

Yup. Keep telling us this is a good idea MAC.

Mouth is watering for that BG v CMU game we get later for a midweek spotlight game!
You conveniently forgot the Buffalo/Miami game tonight (8pm, ESPN2). That game decides the lead for the MAC East. Could make things interesting if Miami were to pull the upset, but I'd take Buffalo minus the 7 points if I were in Vegas.
Not a "convenient forget" ... that's my point.

That should be the only game. Why is the league oversaturating the product by putting garbage games on TV?

Oh ... that's right. All about the ESPN cash!!!

What happened to time when MAC showcased their best on weeknights ... stadiums were filled (mostly) ... there was a buzz about playing in a big game.

Now ... it's a watered down money grab.

Anybody who watches this league could sit down and pick 2 games for each week to showcase on national TV. I don't think league should be putting bad product on national TV ... so I don't think all teams need to be featured.

Ohio vs Buffalo
Buffalo vs Miami
Toledo vs WMU
WMU vs EMU
Akron vs Ohio
Miami vs Akron
Toledo vs NIU
NIU vs EMU

Kent and BG are awful ... CMU is not much better. Why do they need to be weeknight showcases?

There are 8 decent games ... play two per week. Done.
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Bobcat110
10/30/2018 3:10 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Who's ready for midweek #MACtion?!?!

This week we feature (1-7) Kent at (1-7) BG!!!

Try to temper the excitement!

Over/under 1000 fans at Doyt tonight?

Oh! Almost forgot ... both of these teams are coming off 9 days rest while Toledo & Ball both are playing their 3rd game in 12 days tomorrow night.

Yup. Keep telling us this is a good idea MAC.

Mouth is watering for that BG v CMU game we get later for a midweek spotlight game!
You conveniently forgot the Buffalo/Miami game tonight (8pm, ESPN2). That game decides the lead for the MAC East. Could make things interesting if Miami were to pull the upset, but I'd take Buffalo minus the 7 points if I were in Vegas.
Not a "convenient forget" ... that's my point.

That should be the only game. Why is the league oversaturating the product by putting garbage games on TV?

Oh ... that's right. All about the ESPN cash!!!

What happened to time when MAC showcased their best on weeknights ... stadiums were filled (mostly) ... there was a buzz about playing in a big game.

Now ... it's a watered down money grab.

Anybody who watches this league could sit down and pick 2 games for each week to showcase on national TV. I don't think league should be putting bad product on national TV ... so I don't think all teams need to be featured.

Ohio vs Buffalo
Buffalo vs Miami
Toledo vs WMU
WMU vs EMU
Akron vs Ohio
Miami vs Akron
Toledo vs NIU
NIU vs EMU

Kent and BG are awful ... CMU is not much better. Why do they need to be weeknight showcases?

There are 8 decent games ... play two per week. Done.
So. You want the MAC and ESPN to float games between midweek and Saturday depending on the standings? People already freak out not knowing if next week’s game will be at 7 or 8. Can’t imagine the logistical nightmare of not knowing if it will be on Tuesday or Saturday.
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ChiCat2018
10/30/2018 3:20 PM
Bobcat110 wrote:expand_more
Who's ready for midweek #MACtion?!?!

This week we feature (1-7) Kent at (1-7) BG!!!

Try to temper the excitement!

Over/under 1000 fans at Doyt tonight?

Oh! Almost forgot ... both of these teams are coming off 9 days rest while Toledo & Ball both are playing their 3rd game in 12 days tomorrow night.

Yup. Keep telling us this is a good idea MAC.

Mouth is watering for that BG v CMU game we get later for a midweek spotlight game!
You conveniently forgot the Buffalo/Miami game tonight (8pm, ESPN2). That game decides the lead for the MAC East. Could make things interesting if Miami were to pull the upset, but I'd take Buffalo minus the 7 points if I were in Vegas.
Not a "convenient forget" ... that's my point.

That should be the only game. Why is the league oversaturating the product by putting garbage games on TV?

Oh ... that's right. All about the ESPN cash!!!

What happened to time when MAC showcased their best on weeknights ... stadiums were filled (mostly) ... there was a buzz about playing in a big game.

Now ... it's a watered down money grab.

Anybody who watches this league could sit down and pick 2 games for each week to showcase on national TV. I don't think league should be putting bad product on national TV ... so I don't think all teams need to be featured.

Ohio vs Buffalo
Buffalo vs Miami
Toledo vs WMU
WMU vs EMU
Akron vs Ohio
Miami vs Akron
Toledo vs NIU
NIU vs EMU

Kent and BG are awful ... CMU is not much better. Why do they need to be weeknight showcases?

There are 8 decent games ... play two per week. Done.
So. You want the MAC and ESPN to float games between midweek and Saturday depending on the standings? People already freak out not knowing if next week’s game will be at 7 or 8. Can’t imagine the logistical nightmare of not knowing if it will be on Tuesday or Saturday.
I don't think it would be too hard to schedule based on last season's performance + preseason ratings. Leave the last week or two open to flexing the games from a Saturday to midweek depending on how the first 6-8 games of the season have played out.
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Bobcat110
10/30/2018 4:40 PM
ChiCat2018 wrote:expand_more
I don't think it would be too hard to schedule based on last season's performance + preseason ratings. Leave the last week or two open to flexing the games from a Saturday to midweek depending on how the first 6-8 games of the season have played out.
Last week's MACtion:
Ohio vs BSU - OHIO Picked to Win East by some media finished 2nd last year
Toledo vs WMU - TOLEDO Won MACC last year and Picked 2nd this year

This week MACtion:
BGSU vs Kent - Obvious bottom dwellers.
Miami vs Buffalo - Buffalo picked 1st by some outlets, but clearly worth being on national TV.
BSU vs Toledo - See above re Toledo
NIU vs Akron: NIU picked to win West, Akron Won East last year
Ohio vs. WMU: See above on Ohio

Next Week MACtion:
Buffalo vs Kent - Buffalo again deserves airtime
Ohio vs Miami - Classic rivalry matchup...loser likely is out of East Contention
Toledo vs NIU - Was the expected battle to determine West

Week of Nov 12th:
WMU vs BSU: Probably not necessary, but BSU and WMU have already played two weeks in a row on weeknight, maybe unfair to move them back to Saturday of this week and then give them short week to Black Friday?
Buffalo vs Ohio: Might be game of the year for MAC East
Miami vs NIU: Currently has MAC East and MAC West implications
Toledo vs Akron: Last year's MACC

So...other than tonite's BGSU/Kent game. Most games make sense...Seems like a steady diet of Buffalo, Ohio, Toledo and NIU.
Last Edited: 10/30/2018 4:42:01 PM by Bobcat110
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ChiCat2018
10/30/2018 5:01 PM
Bobcat110 wrote:expand_more
I don't think it would be too hard to schedule based on last season's performance + preseason ratings. Leave the last week or two open to flexing the games from a Saturday to midweek depending on how the first 6-8 games of the season have played out.
Last week's MACtion:
Ohio vs BSU - OHIO Picked to Win East by some media finished 2nd last year
Toledo vs WMU - TOLEDO Won MACC last year and Picked 2nd this year

This week MACtion:
BGSU vs Kent - Obvious bottom dwellers.
Miami vs Buffalo - Buffalo picked 1st by some outlets, but clearly worth being on national TV.
BSU vs Toledo - See above re Toledo
NIU vs Akron: NIU picked to win West, Akron Won East last year
Ohio vs. WMU: See above on Ohio

Next Week MACtion:
Buffalo vs Kent - Buffalo again deserves airtime
Ohio vs Miami - Classic rivalry matchup...loser likely is out of East Contention
Toledo vs NIU - Was the expected battle to determine West

Week of Nov 12th:
WMU vs BSU: Probably not necessary, but BSU and WMU have already played two weeks in a row on weeknight, maybe unfair to move them back to Saturday of this week and then give them short week to Black Friday?
Buffalo vs Ohio: Might be game of the year for MAC East
Miami vs NIU: Currently has MAC East and MAC West implications
Toledo vs Akron: Last year's MACC

So...other than tonite's BGSU/Kent game. Most games make sense...Seems like a steady diet of Buffalo, Ohio, Toledo and NIU.
Thank you for highlighting this. I never said this was a real issue (bshot44 pointed out earlier the disparity of # of games played in MAC compared to AAC, Sun Belt and other conferences during midweek). With all these games squeezed into the last 4 weeks it does seem a bit much, having them spread out a bit more is something I think should be considered. Then you can have between 2-3 solid games a week where you highlight good teams/rivalries. As a recent grad I thought the midweek games were pretty cool, gave me all of Saturday to drink and watch other games.
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ChiCat2018
10/30/2018 5:34 PM
There are 8 conference games, and the final week (13) only has midweek games. So assuming each team starts conference play week 5 (or 6 in OU's case) you need to put roughly 20 games into a 7 week period to keep them in line with what they're currently playing. I'll use OU as an example and keep the 4 midweek games on their schedule. Again, everyone plays week 13 midweek games. Looking at FBS schedule https://fbschedules.com/mac-football-schedule / it looks like the earliest MAC game this year was week 3 with the first week with multiple MAC games being week 5

Week 6: Saturday
Week 7: Friday
Week 8: Saturday
Week 9: Thursday
Week 10: Wednesday
Week 11: Saturday
Week 12: Saturday
Week 13: Friday
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Bobcatzblitz
10/30/2018 8:21 PM
Goodness Khalil Hodge just got blown up on a legal crack back block.
Weekday #MACtion
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Bobcat110
10/30/2018 10:38 PM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
Goodness Khalil Hodge just got blown up on a legal crack back block.
Weekday #MACtion
Quite the game so far. Miami hasn't folded... 42-35 Bulls with 2:29 left in 3rd.

And the Miami onside kick is recovered by Miami
Last Edited: 10/30/2018 10:39:37 PM by Bobcat110
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Deciduous Forest Cat
10/30/2018 10:48 PM
and make that 42 all after 3!
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catfan28
10/30/2018 11:07 PM
The more I watch this game, the more I worry about our defense against either UB or Miami. Smart money would be on both being shootouts.
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OhioStunter
10/31/2018 9:32 AM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
None of these ideas that have been posted will see the light of day with MAC headquarters as those folks are tone deaf or worse, know-it-alls.

Screw the NFL and NBA--get these MAC games on Thanksgiving Day. Living in northern Ohio I might even go to see a game at Kent or Akron that morning. (Those black Friday AM games are the worst--refs, players and band members all miss the full day of Thanksgiving anyway so play the games on Turkey Day)

Limit the mid-week games to two per team--one being the MAC Turkey Day Celebration. The others can be staggered during the weeks of November with bye-week recovery for most teams. Result is still mid-week MACtion and a new tradition on Turkey Day and an additional Saturday game vs the current format.
You want to be up against a traditional NFL football TV audience?
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OhioStunter
10/31/2018 9:37 AM
Bobcat110 wrote:expand_more
I don't think it would be too hard to schedule based on last season's performance + preseason ratings. Leave the last week or two open to flexing the games from a Saturday to midweek depending on how the first 6-8 games of the season have played out.
Last week's MACtion:
Ohio vs BSU - OHIO Picked to Win East by some media finished 2nd last year
Toledo vs WMU - TOLEDO Won MACC last year and Picked 2nd this year

This week MACtion:
BGSU vs Kent - Obvious bottom dwellers.
Miami vs Buffalo - Buffalo picked 1st by some outlets, but clearly worth being on national TV.
BSU vs Toledo - See above re Toledo
NIU vs Akron: NIU picked to win West, Akron Won East last year
Ohio vs. WMU: See above on Ohio

Next Week MACtion:
Buffalo vs Kent - Buffalo again deserves airtime
Ohio vs Miami - Classic rivalry matchup...loser likely is out of East Contention
Toledo vs NIU - Was the expected battle to determine West

Week of Nov 12th:
WMU vs BSU: Probably not necessary, but BSU and WMU have already played two weeks in a row on weeknight, maybe unfair to move them back to Saturday of this week and then give them short week to Black Friday?
Buffalo vs Ohio: Might be game of the year for MAC East
Miami vs NIU: Currently has MAC East and MAC West implications
Toledo vs Akron: Last year's MACC

So...other than tonite's BGSU/Kent game. Most games make sense...Seems like a steady diet of Buffalo, Ohio, Toledo and NIU.
I'm not sure records matter to most sports fans (who are not MAC followers) that watch ESPN. They just want to watch football and if it's a close game (like the two were last night), great.

No one (other than MAC fans) is going to intentionally tune in or tune out to any of these games based on records/standings. It is essentially mindless football entertainment with great national exposure.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
10/31/2018 9:50 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
None of these ideas that have been posted will see the light of day with MAC headquarters as those folks are tone deaf or worse, know-it-alls.

Screw the NFL and NBA--get these MAC games on Thanksgiving Day. Living in northern Ohio I might even go to see a game at Kent or Akron that morning. (Those black Friday AM games are the worst--refs, players and band members all miss the full day of Thanksgiving anyway so play the games on Turkey Day)

Limit the mid-week games to two per team--one being the MAC Turkey Day Celebration. The others can be staggered during the weeks of November with bye-week recovery for most teams. Result is still mid-week MACtion and a new tradition on Turkey Day and an additional Saturday game vs the current format.
You want to be up against a traditional NFL football TV audience?
Plenty of people would rather watch any college game. Also, there's 800 other channels and they don't throw their arms up in the air and put nothing on just because the nfl is on. NFL may win the ratings game, but there are enough viewers to go around. plenty of people don't give a sh** about the nfl or any football. It's up to the MAC and its teams to put a good product on the field. If the nfl game turns into a blowout, people will channel surf.
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OhioStunter
10/31/2018 11:53 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
None of these ideas that have been posted will see the light of day with MAC headquarters as those folks are tone deaf or worse, know-it-alls.

Screw the NFL and NBA--get these MAC games on Thanksgiving Day. Living in northern Ohio I might even go to see a game at Kent or Akron that morning. (Those black Friday AM games are the worst--refs, players and band members all miss the full day of Thanksgiving anyway so play the games on Turkey Day)

Limit the mid-week games to two per team--one being the MAC Turkey Day Celebration. The others can be staggered during the weeks of November with bye-week recovery for most teams. Result is still mid-week MACtion and a new tradition on Turkey Day and an additional Saturday game vs the current format.
You want to be up against a traditional NFL football TV audience?
Plenty of people would rather watch any college game. Also, there's 800 other channels and they don't throw their arms up in the air and put nothing on just because the nfl is on. NFL may win the ratings game, but there are enough viewers to go around. plenty of people don't give a sh** about the nfl or any football. It's up to the MAC and its teams to put a good product on the field. If the nfl game turns into a blowout, people will channel surf.
I'm not so sure you can look at Thanksgiving Day as a normal TV viewing day. It's a day more than any other that is a victim of habits. The Macy's Parade, the Dog Show and NFL football is the likely TV schedule for many homes as travel, food prep, eating and family arguments will render the TV screen as background noise for most, except that odd uncle that parks himself on the couch in front of the TV.

I just don't think a MAC football game on Thanksgiving is a good idea from an in-person attendance and national TV viewing POV.

And as someone who has traveled with a team during Thanksgiving, it's also not fun for many players/coaches/staff to be away from your family and friends.
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Sam bobcat
10/31/2018 12:24 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
None of these ideas that have been posted will see the light of day with MAC headquarters as those folks are tone deaf or worse, know-it-alls.

Screw the NFL and NBA--get these MAC games on Thanksgiving Day. Living in northern Ohio I might even go to see a game at Kent or Akron that morning. (Those black Friday AM games are the worst--refs, players and band members all miss the full day of Thanksgiving anyway so play the games on Turkey Day)

Limit the mid-week games to two per team--one being the MAC Turkey Day Celebration. The others can be staggered during the weeks of November with bye-week recovery for most teams. Result is still mid-week MACtion and a new tradition on Turkey Day and an additional Saturday game vs the current format.
You want to be up against a traditional NFL football TV audience?
I would watch any college football game over professional any day of the week. I know I can’t be the only person who prefers college ball to pro. Including Thanksgiving.
Last Edited: 10/31/2018 12:26:12 PM by Sam bobcat
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UpSan Bobcat
10/31/2018 12:42 PM
Sam bobcat wrote:expand_more
None of these ideas that have been posted will see the light of day with MAC headquarters as those folks are tone deaf or worse, know-it-alls.

Screw the NFL and NBA--get these MAC games on Thanksgiving Day. Living in northern Ohio I might even go to see a game at Kent or Akron that morning. (Those black Friday AM games are the worst--refs, players and band members all miss the full day of Thanksgiving anyway so play the games on Turkey Day)

Limit the mid-week games to two per team--one being the MAC Turkey Day Celebration. The others can be staggered during the weeks of November with bye-week recovery for most teams. Result is still mid-week MACtion and a new tradition on Turkey Day and an additional Saturday game vs the current format.
You want to be up against a traditional NFL football TV audience?
I would watch any college football game over professional any day of the week. I know I can’t be the only person who prefers college ball to pro. Including Thanksgiving.
I agree with you completely about college football and probably so likely would most people on this board but I think we'd be in the minority on that among the general population. Very few people across the country would watch a MAC game over an NFL game.
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OhioStunter
10/31/2018 1:00 PM
Sam bobcat wrote:expand_more
None of these ideas that have been posted will see the light of day with MAC headquarters as those folks are tone deaf or worse, know-it-alls.

Screw the NFL and NBA--get these MAC games on Thanksgiving Day. Living in northern Ohio I might even go to see a game at Kent or Akron that morning. (Those black Friday AM games are the worst--refs, players and band members all miss the full day of Thanksgiving anyway so play the games on Turkey Day)

Limit the mid-week games to two per team--one being the MAC Turkey Day Celebration. The others can be staggered during the weeks of November with bye-week recovery for most teams. Result is still mid-week MACtion and a new tradition on Turkey Day and an additional Saturday game vs the current format.
You want to be up against a traditional NFL football TV audience?
I would watch any college football game over professional any day of the week. I know I can’t be the only person who prefers college ball to pro. Including Thanksgiving.
TV ratings do not support that thinking.
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Sam bobcat
10/31/2018 6:53 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
None of these ideas that have been posted will see the light of day with MAC headquarters as those folks are tone deaf or worse, know-it-alls.

Screw the NFL and NBA--get these MAC games on Thanksgiving Day. Living in northern Ohio I might even go to see a game at Kent or Akron that morning. (Those black Friday AM games are the worst--refs, players and band members all miss the full day of Thanksgiving anyway so play the games on Turkey Day)

Limit the mid-week games to two per team--one being the MAC Turkey Day Celebration. The others can be staggered during the weeks of November with bye-week recovery for most teams. Result is still mid-week MACtion and a new tradition on Turkey Day and an additional Saturday game vs the current format.
You want to be up against a traditional NFL football TV audience?
I would watch any college football game over professional any day of the week. I know I can’t be the only person who prefers college ball to pro. Including Thanksgiving.
TV ratings do not support that thinking.

What thinking? I didn’t suggest that more people would watch college football over pro. I said I would. And apparently I’m not alone.
Last Edited: 10/31/2018 6:54:06 PM by Sam bobcat
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