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Mark Lembright '85
1/1/2019 1:59 PM
Watching the Fiesta Bowl and Mr. Burrow not only has talent but tremendous heart and grit. He was on the receiving end of a vicious hit when he threw a pick 6 and I thought for sure he had a concussion. And what looked like a nasty gash on his neck. So he comes back and throws 2 TD passes. Good for him!!!!

Edit: Make that 3 TD passes.
Last Edited: 1/1/2019 2:17:21 PM by Mark Lembright '85
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Bobcatzblitz
1/1/2019 2:22 PM
Also took a hit to the head that got a player ejected. Tough as Nails but no way he is not concussed.
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rpbobcat
1/1/2019 2:26 PM
I was watching the Fiesta Bowl.

They said Burrows was a Junior.

I thought he was a Grad Transfer playing his last year.

Anyone know what the story is ?
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ExCat21
1/1/2019 2:33 PM
Tough kid. Proud of him!! And he just upped his stock in the draft. Believe it or not. Goes to show transferring isn't bad if it's truly the best fit.
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Buck.Cat
1/1/2019 2:37 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
I was watching the Fiesta Bowl.

They said Burrows was a Junior.

I thought he was a Grad Transfer playing his last year.

Anyone know what the story is ?

Redshirted freshman year. Graduated in three years. Two years of eligibility.
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rpbobcat
1/1/2019 3:26 PM
Thanks
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BillyTheCat
1/1/2019 3:42 PM
A Burrow post on BA. I’m smiling and about a dozen others have heads that are about to explode. Those cheap shots did nothing but piss him off. Game has been downhill for UCF defense since.

Oh and medical diagnosis from non medical personnel over the TV is pretty priceless too.
Last Edited: 1/1/2019 3:43:53 PM by BillyTheCat
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TWT
1/1/2019 4:58 PM
He single handedly snapped UCF's 25 game streak as I don't think LSU wins without his first half performance.
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BillyTheCat
1/1/2019 5:16 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
He single handedly snapped UCF's 25 game streak as I don't think LSU wins without his first half performance.
21/34 for 394 with 4TD and 1 INT, 24 yd on 9 rushes, Offensive MVP
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OhioCatFan
1/1/2019 5:33 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
A Burrow post on BA. I’m smiling and about a dozen others have heads that are about to explode. Those cheap shots did nothing but piss him off. Game has been downhill for UCF defense since.

Oh and medical diagnosis from non medical personnel over the TV is pretty priceless too.
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ou79
1/1/2019 5:54 PM
Never mind that LSU was down 8 of its defensive starters.
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Mark Lembright '85
1/1/2019 6:02 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
He single handedly snapped UCF's 25 game streak as I don't think LSU wins without his first half performance.
LSU’s offensive and defensive lines helped. 😉

Which leads me to ponder. The talking heads on the game mentioned that the lines, especially LSU’s offensive line versus UCF’s smaller defensive was the difference between a top P5 team and a G5 team. Which does leave me to wonder-how would Ohio’s o-line fare against a good P5 team? The homer in me says they’d do okay.
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Mike Johnson
1/1/2019 6:16 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
He single handedly snapped UCF's 25 game streak as I don't think LSU wins without his first half performance.
LSU’s offensive and defensive lines helped. 😉

Which leads me to ponder. The talking heads on the game mentioned that the lines, especially LSU’s offensive line versus UCF’s smaller defensive was the difference between a top P5 team and a G5 team. Which does leave me to wonder-how would Ohio’s o-line fare against a good P5 team? The homer in me says they’d do okay.
Let's keep in mind that, at all levels, offensive linemen are often heavier than defensive linemen. Coaches prefer defensive linemen who can out-quick offensive linemen.
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Mark Lembright '85
1/1/2019 6:17 PM
Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
He single handedly snapped UCF's 25 game streak as I don't think LSU wins without his first half performance.
LSU’s offensive and defensive lines helped. 😉

Which leads me to ponder. The talking heads on the game mentioned that the lines, especially LSU’s offensive line versus UCF’s smaller defensive was the difference between a top P5 team and a G5 team. Which does leave me to wonder-how would Ohio’s o-line fare against a good P5 team? The homer in me says they’d do okay.
Let's keep in mind that, at all levels, offensive linemen are often heavier than defensive linemen. Coaches prefer defensive linemen who can out-quick offensive linemen.
Hi Mike! Good point.
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MonroeClassmate
1/1/2019 7:58 PM
He must have been woozy from the hits because he made a poor decision that against UCF with their top QB may have cost LSU a victory.

Last LSU possession of the first half, third and 10. Burrow gets flushed and rolls right, nobody open and he tosses the ball away. Clock stops. Punt to the 5 but too much time left and UCF marches for a TD. If he had slid and lost 8 yards, the clock would have continued and would have either burned clock or a critical time-out. The time was more valuable than the yardage lost. That is where he should have had the situations in his head prior to the snap and ready for an open receiver or all covered and making the right choice.

He should have kept the play alive as it didn't appear that he was under great pressure, just running out of room.

He sure had some very nice throws--one, pure beauty.

Fun watching with my arm on the chair.
Last Edited: 1/1/2019 8:01:04 PM by MonroeClassmate
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TWT
1/1/2019 10:08 PM
Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
He single handedly snapped UCF's 25 game streak as I don't think LSU wins without his first half performance.
LSU’s offensive and defensive lines helped. 😉

Which leads me to ponder. The talking heads on the game mentioned that the lines, especially LSU’s offensive line versus UCF’s smaller defensive was the difference between a top P5 team and a G5 team. Which does leave me to wonder-how would Ohio’s o-line fare against a good P5 team? The homer in me says they’d do okay.
Let's keep in mind that, at all levels, offensive linemen are often heavier than defensive linemen. Coaches prefer defensive linemen who can out-quick offensive linemen.
Everyone watching understood that LSU was stronger in the trenches. What I didn't like how the commentators were trying to make the line LSU had ordinary by P5 standards. I'd say it had to be at least a Top 20 line to be a top 10 team out of the SEC. UCF was undefeated going into this game but not as good as last season. In 2017 they beat Memphis by a large margin in the regular season and they again in the CC when Memphis was ranked #16. They did it again in 2018 by 1 point in conference play but this year Memphis is not nearly as good (8-6 to 10-3) as in 2017. They were overrated and reduced to their second string QB which at a place like UCF unlike Alabama or Clemson is a big drop off. The better team won the game like the Wisconsin-WMU Cotton Bowl back in 2016.
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BillyTheCat
1/1/2019 10:54 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
He single handedly snapped UCF's 25 game streak as I don't think LSU wins without his first half performance.
LSU’s offensive and defensive lines helped. 😉

Which leads me to ponder. The talking heads on the game mentioned that the lines, especially LSU’s offensive line versus UCF’s smaller defensive was the difference between a top P5 team and a G5 team. Which does leave me to wonder-how would Ohio’s o-line fare against a good P5 team? The homer in me says they’d do okay.
Let's keep in mind that, at all levels, offensive linemen are often heavier than defensive linemen. Coaches prefer defensive linemen who can out-quick offensive linemen.
Everyone watching understood that LSU was stronger in the trenches. What I didn't like how the commentators were trying to make the line LSU had ordinary by P5 standards. I'd say it had to be at least a Top 20 line to be a top 10 team out of the SEC. UCF was undefeated going into this game but not as good as last season. In 2017 they beat Memphis by a large margin in the regular season and they again in the CC when Memphis was ranked #16. They did it again in 2018 by 1 point in conference play but this year Memphis is not nearly as good (8-6 to 10-3) as in 2017. They were overrated and reduced to their second string QB which at a place like UCF unlike Alabama or Clemson is a big drop off. The better team won the game like the Wisconsin-WMU Cotton Bowl back in 2016.
And LSU was playing without 8 defensive starters.
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Buck.Cat
1/1/2019 11:27 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Which does leave me to wonder-how would Ohio’s o-line fare against a good P5 team? The homer in me says they’d do okay.
We all saw how both sides of the line performed against a middle tier P5 team (Virginia). It only gets that much more difficult from there.
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L.C.
1/1/2019 11:28 PM
Clearly no one can argue that this game had no relevance for Ohio football. Had UCF won, and been undefeated again, with wins two years in a row against a top P5 opponent, the case for expanding the playoff to 6 or 8 teams, and making room for the best G5 team as an automatic qualifier would have been stronger, though it probably still wouldn't have happened. With the win by LSU, I think we can all be confident that the G5 has been put back into it's place, and it will not be necessary to even consider allowing any G5 teams into the playoff.

Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
Which does leave me to wonder-how would Ohio’s o-line fare against a good P5 team? The homer in me says they’d do okay.
We all saw how both sides of the line performed against a middle tier P5 team (Virginia). It only gets that much more difficult from there.

Both sides of the line were pretty bad early in the year, without a doubt. Yet, both sides of the line improved a lot as the year went on. SDSU had pretty decent lines, but both sides of Ohio's won that battle. I'm not saying they are competitive with LSU; I'm just saying they were better at the end of the year than they were at the start, by a wide margin.
Last Edited: 1/1/2019 11:33:29 PM by L.C.
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TWT
1/1/2019 11:56 PM
L.C. you must have missed that little number by UCF name today (#8). If the committee is willing to rate a G5 team that wasn't even a full 13-0 going into the bowls and from a conference having a mediocre year high enough to qualify for an 8 team playoff then an autobid for the G5 isn't needed.
Last Edited: 1/2/2019 12:17:44 AM by TWT
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1/2/2019 12:02 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Which does leave me to wonder-how would Ohio’s o-line fare against a good P5 team? The homer in me says they’d do okay.
We all saw how both sides of the line performed against a middle tier P5 team (Virginia). It only gets that much more difficult from there.

Both sides of the line were pretty bad early in the year, without a doubt. Yet, both sides of the line improved a lot as the year went on. SDSU had pretty decent lines, but both sides of Ohio's won that battle. I'm not saying they are competitive with LSU; I'm just saying they were better at the end of the year than they were at the start, by a wide margin.
Forget competitiveness, could Ohio's lines dominate a 10 win SEC school the way Texas is doing tonight? The commentators said Georgia did not show the talent level tonight. Anymore I think its about how well a line performs on a given day more than anything else. Put a 10 win level SEC program on the Ohio schedule and then we'll see.
Last Edited: 1/2/2019 12:09:03 AM by TWT
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BillyTheCat
1/2/2019 6:32 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Clearly no one can argue that this game had no relevance for Ohio football. Had UCF won, and been undefeated again, with wins two years in a row against a top P5 opponent, the case for expanding the playoff to 6 or 8 teams, and making room for the best G5 team as an automatic qualifier would have been stronger, though it probably still wouldn't have happened. With the win by LSU, I think we can all be confident that the G5 has been put back into it's place, and it will not be necessary to even consider allowing any G5 teams into the playoff.

Which does leave me to wonder-how would Ohio’s o-line fare against a good P5 team? The homer in me says they’d do okay.
We all saw how both sides of the line performed against a middle tier P5 team (Virginia). It only gets that much more difficult from there.

Both sides of the line were pretty bad early in the year, without a doubt. Yet, both sides of the line improved a lot as the year went on. SDSU had pretty decent lines, but both sides of Ohio's won that battle. I'm not saying they are competitive with LSU; I'm just saying they were better at the end of the year than they were at the start, by a wide margin.
Wrong, to many OHIO fans and long time supporters that was a game of great interest. 1st, our DC’s son is starting QB, 2nd, former Bobcat player and coach was on the sideline for UCF as the Special Teams Coordinator.
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L.C.
1/2/2019 9:31 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
L.C. you must have missed that little number by UCF name today (#8). If the committee is willing to rate a G5 team that wasn't even a full 13-0 going into the bowls and from a conference having a mediocre year high enough to qualify for an 8 team playoff then an autobid for the G5 isn't needed.

They were #8 before the game, and with a win, might have moved up to the top 5. Having an undefeated team in the Top 5 that was excluded from the playoffs would seem unfair to a lot of people. With the loss, they will drop out of the Top 10, and have a defeat, so clearly they didn't belong in the playoffs, even a 6 or 8 team playoff.
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OhioCatFan
1/2/2019 10:56 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
L.C. you must have missed that little number by UCF name today (#8). If the committee is willing to rate a G5 team that wasn't even a full 13-0 going into the bowls and from a conference having a mediocre year high enough to qualify for an 8 team playoff then an autobid for the G5 isn't needed.

They were #8 before the game, and with a win, might have moved up to the top 5. Having an undefeated team in the Top 5 that was excluded from the playoffs would seem unfair to a lot of people. With the loss, they will drop out of the Top 10, and have a defeat, so clearly they didn't belong in the playoffs, even a 6 or 8 team playoff.
Not sure how you can conclude that. UCF had it's star QB on the sidelines due to injury. I, for one, think that if he had played UCF would have won. Also, if we go to an eight-team playoff, there will probably be a seat for the highest ranked G5 teams, not necessarily because the "powers-that-be" want it that way, but because of various internal dynamics within the FBS football community, including legal issues. These are the same issues that have lead to the G5 conferences getting money from the current playoff system. The P5 conferences would have kept it all, if they could.
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L.C.
1/2/2019 11:18 AM
If there had been an 8 team playoff this year, UCF would have been in. I don't question that. What I'm saying is that, viewed in retrospect, there is no reason now to bother coming up with a bigger playoff system since choosing 4 teams worked fine this year. Had UCF won, people might feel that 4 teams this year wasn't enough, and be more motivated to choose something different in the future.
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