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Posted: 11/9/2022 10:51 PM
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There is no more MACtion until Tuesday which will feature 2 games. If Toledo and Ohio both win that's wrap for both division titles. It will be interesting to see which game they put on which channel.
Not quite. BG would have to also lose to Toledo (probable) and Kent would still have to lose the next night vs EMU for us to clinch next week. Also Toledo has officially wrapped the West.
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Posted: 11/9/2022 11:02 PM
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So, let's see if I have this right:
To clinch, Ohio needs one more win, and BG needs one more loss. There are two ways that could happen:
A. Ohio beats Ball State, and Toledo beats BG, or
B. Ohio beats BG

BG can win it if they beat both Ohio and Toledo, and Buffalo loses another game.

Buffalo can win it if they win out, and Ohio loses out.

Kent can win it if they win out, and Ohio loses out.

shabamon wrote:expand_more
There is no more MACtion until Tuesday which will feature 2 games. If Toledo and Ohio both win that's wrap for both division titles. It will be interesting to see which game they put on which channel.
Not quite. BG would have to also lose to Toledo (probable) and Kent would still have to lose the next night vs EMU for us to clinch next week. Also Toledo has officially wrapped the West.

Kent already has three losses. If Ohio beats Ball State, Kent is eliminated.
Last Edited: 11/10/2022 9:08:22 AM by L.C.
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Posted: 11/9/2022 11:30 PM
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Beefs fans having a meltdown on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/UBFootball/status/1590548804440559617...
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Posted: 11/9/2022 11:31 PM
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
So, let's see if I have this right:
To clinch, Ohio needs one more win, and BG needs one more loss. There are two ways that could happen:
A. Ohio beats Ball State, and Toledo beats BG, or
B. Ohio beats BG

BG can win it if they beat both Ohio and Toledo.

Buffalo can win it if they win out, and Ohio loses out.

Kent can win it if they win out, and Ohio loses out.

There is no more MACtion until Tuesday which will feature 2 games. If Toledo and Ohio both win that's wrap for both division titles. It will be interesting to see which game they put on which channel.
Not quite. BG would have to also lose to Toledo (probable) and Kent would still have to lose the next night vs EMU for us to clinch next week. Also Toledo has officially wrapped the West.

Kent already has three losses. If Ohio beats Ball State, Kent is eliminated.
That looks right to me. Scenario A would be nice too.
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Posted: 11/9/2022 11:32 PM
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shabamon wrote:expand_more
There is no more MACtion until Tuesday which will feature 2 games. If Toledo and Ohio both win that's wrap for both division titles. It will be interesting to see which game they put on which channel.
Not quite. BG would have to also lose to Toledo (probable) and Kent would still have to lose the next night vs EMU for us to clinch next week. Also Toledo has officially wrapped the West.
Yeah, I mentioned Toledo. You're right about Kent State, they are still alive, but we would be 2.5 games ahead of them with only 1 game by Ohio left and two by Kent State.
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Posted: 11/10/2022 12:21 AM
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Bowling Green entered tonight not controlling their own destiny for a MACC, got blown out, and will go to bed now controlling their own destiny for a MACC.
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Posted: 11/10/2022 1:41 AM
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shabamon wrote:expand_more
There is no more MACtion until Tuesday which will feature 2 games. If Toledo and Ohio both win that's wrap for both division titles. It will be interesting to see which game they put on which channel.
Not quite. BG would have to also lose to Toledo (probable) and Kent would still have to lose the next night vs EMU for us to clinch next week. Also Toledo has officially wrapped the West.

Since Toledo plays BG, there is no way for Toledo to win next week without BG losing, so the original statement is correct: If Toledo and Ohio both win, it's over. As for Kent, if Ohio wins, Kent is eliminated. They already have 3 losses, and if Ohio beats Ball State, Ohio can not finish with more than 2 losses.

Ohio wraps it up with a win over Ball State and a Toledo win. If Ohio loses to Ball State, Ohio still wraps it up with a win over BG regardless of any other games.
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Posted: 11/10/2022 5:50 AM
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Bowling Green entered tonight not controlling their own destiny for a MACC, got blown out, and will go to bed now controlling their own destiny for a MACC.
I’m not following. Doesn’t BG need Buffalo to lose again?

If Buffalo and BG win out and end up tied at 6-2 and Ohio finishes at 5-3, doesn’t Buffalo go to MACC based on their head to head win over BG?

If Buffalo, BG and Ohio all end up 6-2, doesn’t Buffalo win that tie breaker? As head to head would be 1-1 for all teams (BG beats Ohio, Ohio beat Buffalo, Buffalo beat BG). Then I thought the 2nd tiebreaker is division record which would be Buffalo at 5-1 while BG and Ohio would be 3-2 with their losses to Kent.
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Posted: 11/10/2022 8:08 AM
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My bad... Kent/EMU is immaterial if we beat Ball State. Our paths are:

1) Beat Ball State and Toledo beat BG OR
2) Beat BG, regardless of our outcome with Ball State
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Posted: 11/10/2022 8:40 AM
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My bad... Kent/EMU is immaterial if we beat Ball State. Our paths are:

1) Beat Ball State and Toledo beat BG OR
2) Beat BG, regardless of our outcome with Ball State

After last night, TeamRankings computes that the chances of each team winning the East as:
Ohio 89.5%
Buffalo 5.8%
Kent 2.7%
BG 1.9%

Let's take care of business, Bobcats. Beat Ball State.
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Posted: 11/10/2022 8:45 AM
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Please explain?
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Posted: 11/10/2022 8:47 AM
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And yes, BG does need Buffalo to lose again to have a chance.
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Posted: 11/10/2022 9:09 AM
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shabamon wrote:expand_more
And yes, BG does need Buffalo to lose again to have a chance.

Yes. I missed that, and fixed it in my post above.
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Posted: 11/10/2022 10:56 AM
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Bowling Green entered tonight not controlling their own destiny for a MACC, got blown out, and will go to bed now controlling their own destiny for a MACC.
I’m not following. Doesn’t BG need Buffalo to lose again?

If Buffalo and BG win out and end up tied at 6-2 and Ohio finishes at 5-3, doesn’t Buffalo go to MACC based on their head to head win over BG?

If Buffalo, BG and Ohio all end up 6-2, doesn’t Buffalo win that tie breaker? As head to head would be 1-1 for all teams (BG beats Ohio, Ohio beat Buffalo, Buffalo beat BG). Then I thought the 2nd tiebreaker is division record which would be Buffalo at 5-1 while BG and Ohio would be 3-2 with their losses to Kent.
My bad. You're right. Buffalo's loss was to a West team so, yeah I'm wrong. But such weird things happening are not impossible.

Conference championships are there to make money. But they make money because we watch them. We watch them because the mechanism for determining which team is the conference champion is clear. The champion is the winner of the game. We don't like ties and we like clarity so we get a clear winner this way. But that's if you don't actually think about it too hard. If we don't like ties can't we just come up with a complicated tiebreaker mechanism to declare which of the tied teams, in the event that there is a tie, is the clear winner? No, we say, that doesn't produce a clear obvious winner that earned it on the field and not on paper and a championship game does! But how is the championship game any better, more clear, and more fair than a complicated hard to understand tiebreaker when you need that complicated tiebreaker to get into the game? It only is a better mechanism if you don't think about it all that hard.
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Posted: 11/10/2022 11:39 AM
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Like everyone on here, I just want Ohio to take care of business, win both remaining regular season games and then get ready for the MACC. While the results last night were just perfect for us, it could mean very little if we don’t keep winning.
Last Edited: 11/10/2022 12:01:03 PM by colobobcat66
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