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John C. Wanamaker
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Posted: 8/11/2010 9:03 PM
In fairness OCF to your statement about not knowing when the last time you saw a visiting band not preform at half-time.  I ask this, 1.  How many teams a year bring their band to Athens?  And I state this:  A visiting band has NEVER preformed at half-time during alumni band week.
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Posted: 8/11/2010 9:29 PM
Well, JCW, we used to have more visiting bands than we do today.  In recent years I think it's averaged less than one a year.  But, my point is that when a visiting school brings a band, we go out of our way to let them play.  I suspect if a school that we scheduled for a special event game day (alumni band, band day, etc.) wanted to bring their band, we'd either change the weekend for that special event or make some other accommodation.  BTW, I've been at games at OSU where the visiting B11 team did not bring a band, so this lack of traveling bands is not just a MAC thing.
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Posted: 8/12/2010 11:02 AM
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Well, JCW, we used to have more visiting bands than we do today.  In recent years I think it's averaged less than one a year.  But, my point is that when a visiting school brings a band, we go out of our way to let them play.  I suspect if a school that we scheduled for a special event game day (alumni band, band day, etc.) wanted to bring their band, we'd either change the weekend for that special event or make some other accommodation.  BTW, I've been at games at OSU where the visiting B11 team did not bring a band, so this lack of traveling bands is not just a MAC thing.


That quote right there shows that you are absolutely out of touch with reality on this subject!  Alumni Band and Homecoming weekends are set 8-10 months in advance, and you really think in July Eastern Michigan calls and says "hey we want to bring our band" that we are going to move homecoming or alumni band week?  WOW!!!!!
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Posted: 8/12/2010 2:14 PM
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Well, JCW, we used to have more visiting bands than we do today.  In recent years I think it's averaged less than one a year.  But, my point is that when a visiting school brings a band, we go out of our way to let them play.  I suspect if a school that we scheduled for a special event game day (alumni band, band day, etc.) wanted to bring their band, we'd either change the weekend for that special event or make some other accommodation.  BTW, I've been at games at OSU where the visiting B11 team did not bring a band, so this lack of traveling bands is not just a MAC thing.


That quote right there shows that you are absolutely out of touch with reality on this subject!  Alumni Band and Homecoming weekends are set 8-10 months in advance, and you really think in July Eastern Michigan calls and says "hey we want to bring our band" that we are going to move homecoming or alumni band week?  WOW!!!!!


I rarely say this, but gotta agree with JCW on the above. Remember, at the end of the day what you're talking about is really a case of Event Planning, and if the schedule for the 15 minute event (in this case Halftime) is already booked, that's pretty much that.

To answer the above question from OCF, UCF brought their band in... 2002? 2003?... to OU Homecoming and was not permitted to march halftime. Much like the OSU situation, it wasn't because OU officials "had it in" for the UCF band or didn't want them on the field, it's that they already had plans for the allotted time during the half and couldn't fit UCF's band into the schedule.

If Wofford calls tomorrow and wants to bring their band on the 4th, you're going to hear the same message from OU, who has already invited high schools from around the area to come perform during the half, and I'm sure will not have time for the Wofford band to perform.

I thought the OSU staff showed a lot of hospitality for the 110 getting them time in postgame and the pregame skull session in previous years. You can call OSU stuck up jerks about a lot of stuff. Pretty sure this isn't one of those times.
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Posted: 8/12/2010 10:59 PM
Is it not true that halftime can be extended (a longer period of time for you flatlanders) by mutual agreement of both schools?  If UCF wanted to play at halftime (maybe they didn't care about it), then I would think we should have extended such an offer.  BTW, who was the AD then?  Ah, thought so!   
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Posted: 8/12/2010 11:57 PM
Half-times can be altered in advance of a game with mutual agreement of both schools administrations, this is a very uncommon event in the regular season and some conferences do not allow this at all. 

The UCF thing is simple,. the year they brought their band was their first official year in the league and they were showing how big time they were.  If you remember this was the same year they even bought radio and billboard space in Huntington, which did not help their cause, and yes the UCF band did want to play at half-time and they were upset when we would not let them, and that was a decision that didn't even get to the AD's desk, that one was dismissed way up the food chain.
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Posted: 8/13/2010 12:18 AM
May not be as big of a deal for a random MAC game without TV, but I imagine OSU wouldn't be able to extend a halftime because of TV, as the networks wouldn't want to have to extend the time blocked for the game, extend their halftime programming, etc.  I wouldn't be surprised if leagues legislate this as a direct result of TV deals.
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Posted: 8/13/2010 12:20 AM
Do you actually mean "up the food" chain rather than "down the food chain"?  Did the president make this decision?  Not saying it didn't happen, but it sounds very unusual to me.  
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Posted: 8/13/2010 1:45 AM
I meant up,, the request was quashed before it ever got to an executive level office in either the Convo or Cutler. And with present funding levels you will see even less band travel.
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Posted: 8/13/2010 2:28 AM
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To answer the above question from OCF, UCF brought their band in... 2002? 2003?... to OU Homecoming and was not permitted to march halftime.


The game was in 2003, I was trying to remember when thi game was as I read this thread, I was pretty certain their band didn't play in the game.

I actually remember this game for two distinct reasons:

1) It was the first game in 20 some odd years that UCF did't score a point.  Which I thought was pretty cool considering our football uhm..skillz...

2)  The UCF band tried to steal a flag off of one of the flag poles during the second half.  Hooligans I say, all of them.
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Posted: 8/13/2010 6:26 AM
The game was the first start for a young QB named Everson.
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Posted: 8/13/2010 2:52 PM
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And yes the UCF band did want to play at half-time and they were upset when we would not let them, and that was a decision that didn't even get to the AD's desk, that one was dismissed way up the food chain.


Again, 100% correct.

And again, I truly believe that a school has to serve it's own constituents before a visiting band gets time during the half. I like to see visiting bands play at Peden and I'd love to see the 110 play in the Horseshoe, but the truth is there are a lot of draws on that time and it's not always feasible that a visiting band can get a portion of it.

At the same time I do think it's pretty cool that the 110 still travels to games like '99 and '08 OSU when they don't get field time to support the team. Also I'm very happy to hear that it sounds like the 110 will get field time this season in OSU.
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Posted: 8/13/2010 9:53 PM
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I meant up,, the request was quashed before it ever got to an executive level office in either the Convo or Cutler. And with present funding levels you will see even less band travel.
So, who did make this decision?  The equipment manager? 
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Posted: 8/13/2010 11:50 PM
It was one Richard Suk and the music department.  I have NO idea why you find it so hard that you are wrong on something when it happens SO often, especially when there are soooo many people who attest to what really went down back in 2003.  But have it your way, and remember you can catch Alex Jones on your laptop when you are out of town and unable to pick-up 770AM 

I used to wonder how so many of our faculty at such a fine institution could be so clueless on so man things athletics, but it just hit me, you are a former faculty member, now it is all clear it must be something in the water because you share the same misguided information and thoughts as those who are constantly rambling about nothing of substance, just to read yourself in the Post.
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Posted: 8/14/2010 11:47 AM
It wasn't Alumni Band Day and it wasn't homecoming.  They played  Troy after our Ohio-OSU game and could have used it for honree ceremonies. 
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Posted: 8/14/2010 12:57 PM
Is it standard practice for the home marching band director to make such decisions?  Do you think that's what happened at A&M this time?  My totally uneducated guess is that the decision there was made "up the food chain."  Thanks for the insults, JCW.  Considering the source I feel quite honored, actually.  
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Posted: 8/14/2010 1:03 PM
STANDARD PRACTICE is visiting bands get a STANDARD 7 minutes at half-time, with the exception of "special" weekends, there is NO consipiricy, our band playing in Columbus is NOT the act of congress or the General Assembly, there is NO special decisions being made.  SPECIAL WEEKENDS, are generally considered Homecoming, Alumni Band Weekends and Hall of Fame ceremonies.  Last time we played in Columbus it was Alumni Band Day.

What I like even more is that you simply ignore the others on this board who have told you the same things, why?  You offer all this conjecture but can offer NO proof or supporting evidence, you tried to offer some but it got blown out of the water by a poster other than myself.

I will bet any thing you want that this year when we have our Band Day that there will be NO visiting band in attendance on our field, only the attending High School Teams.
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Posted: 8/14/2010 1:04 PM
And yes it is standard practice for the home band director to sit in and make these decisions, after all WHOSE, half-time is it?
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Posted: 8/14/2010 1:15 PM
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And yes it is standard practice for the home band director to sit in and make these decisions, after all WHOSE, half-time is it?
I didn't realize that the band director was in control of halftime.  I guess you learn something every day if you have the right mentor. 
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Posted: 8/14/2010 2:09 PM
No big deal but the last game we played in Ohio Stadium was not Alumni Band Day for OSU.  Thir Alumni band day was on August 30, the week beforefor the YSU game.  But, like I said - no big deal.
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Posted: 8/14/2010 2:10 PM
You take everything soooo literally, there is a given slot of 20 minutes, there are scheduling of events, promotions and marketing within those minutes, and then there is the bands time.  Visiting bands make their arrangements, wants and needs through the their counterpart the home band director who handles (or has someone handle) any logistics in which they need.  In the greater scheme the Athletic Department divides up the program and makes the countdown sheet, the time for the bands which is set out by league rules is then left to the director of the band.

Maybe you need to read the MAC Handbook?  All these issues are clearly addressed within.
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Posted: 8/14/2010 2:15 PM
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It wasn't Alumni Band Day and it wasn't homecoming.  They played  Troy after our Ohio-OSU game and could have used it for honree ceremonies. 



Our game against OSU was Hall of Fame Day where they inducted the class of 2008....Once again, as I have said, special weekends.  And I guarantee you, we will not let a visiting band play during our Hall of Fame Inductions this year.
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Posted: 8/14/2010 10:26 PM
John C. Wanamaker wrote:expand_more
You take everything soooo literally, there is a given slot of 20 minutes, there are scheduling of events, promotions and marketing within those minutes, and then there is the bands time.  Visiting bands make their arrangements, wants and needs through the their counterpart the home band director who handles (or has someone handle) any logistics in which they need.  In the greater scheme the Athletic Department divides up the program and makes the countdown sheet, the time for the bands which is set out by league rules is then left to the director of the band.

Maybe you need to read the MAC Handbook?  All these issues are clearly addressed within.


This is correct, the time giving to the band is the home band director's to do with as they see fit.  Most of the time a visiting band is only there by invitation by the home band.  That doesn't mean a visiting band can't request an invitation.  When I was in the band I talked to the director and asked why we didn't have more visiting bands and he told me of the inviting courtesy....and then added he leaves an open invitation open to bands (on non-special event games) but if you really think about it, the other MAC bands are not lining up at the door just to be shown up by the 110.  Which is also why the 110 doesn't do more away MAC games....we don't get invited.  There's also the money thing.

The bands going to away non-conference games are just good PR.
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Posted: 8/14/2010 10:54 PM
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You take everything soooo literally, there is a given slot of 20 minutes, there are scheduling of events, promotions and marketing within those minutes, and then there is the bands time.  Visiting bands make their arrangements, wants and needs through the their counterpart the home band director who handles (or has someone handle) any logistics in which they need.  In the greater scheme the Athletic Department divides up the program and makes the countdown sheet, the time for the bands which is set out by league rules is then left to the director of the band.

Maybe you need to read the MAC Handbook?  All these issues are clearly addressed within.


This is correct, the time giving to the band is the home band director's to do with as they see fit.  Most of the time a visiting band is only there by invitation by the home band.  That doesn't mean a visiting band can't request an invitation.  When I was in the band I talked to the director and asked why we didn't have more visiting bands and he told me of the inviting courtesy....and then added he leaves an open invitation open to bands (on non-special event games) but if you really think about it, the other MAC bands are not lining up at the door just to be shown up by the 110.  Which is also why the 110 doesn't do more away MAC games....we don't get invited.  There's also the money thing.

The bands going to away non-conference games are just good PR.


OCF where are you, I have a big piece of Crow that I purchased at the Athens County Fair last night, it is fresh and well prepared for you.......DINNER TIME big boy!
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Posted: 8/14/2010 11:11 PM
Well, JCW, why don't you first try apologizing for all the snotty things you said about me.  I was simply stating my thoughts on the issue from the basis of a typical fan -- not one intimately acquainted with the inside workings of the athletic department -- and you start accusing me off all sorts of nasty things including once being a air-head professor.  The tone of your self-righteous posts is quite over-the-top IMHO.  To paraphrase something that I was sent in an email recently from another person that I've grown to have no respect for: Please let me alone!  I really don't care to communicate with you further and I will try hard to ignore any further threads that you are active in.  You may know more about the inner workings of the Athletic Department than I, but you sir are an ass! 
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