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Topic: What's your bare minimum for retaining Albin in 2023?
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BillyTheCat
8/30/2022 10:26 AM
For some, Albin could go 10-2, Win the MACC, go to a Bowl and you'd still want him fired.
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OhioCatFan
8/30/2022 10:26 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
. . . Frank was a terrible interview. . . .
I beg to differ, but Frank was not a terrible interview. He sounded like a typical, almost stereotypical, football coach. He spoke a lot of coachspeak, but he enunciated well, had identifiable subjects and verbs in his sentences and if you learned the art of translating coachspeak you knew what he was saying.
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BillyTheCat
8/30/2022 10:27 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
. . . Frank was a terrible interview. . . .
I beg to differ, but Frank was not a terrible interview. He sounded like a typical, almost stereotypical, football coach. He spoke a lot of coachspeak, but he enunciated well, had identifiable subjects and verbs in his sentences and if you learned the art of translating coachspeak you knew what he was saying.
I am with SBH, horrible interview.
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cc-cat
8/30/2022 10:40 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
For some, Albin could go 10-2, Win the MACC, go to a Bowl and you'd still want him fired.
Really? Who?
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BillyTheCat
8/30/2022 11:05 AM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
For some, Albin could go 10-2, Win the MACC, go to a Bowl and you'd still want him fired.
Really? Who?
Never doubt the power of this Board. Someone will find something to complain about. No worries in that.
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lovebobcat
8/30/2022 10:09 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
. . . Frank was a terrible interview. . . .
I beg to differ, but Frank was not a terrible interview. He sounded like a typical, almost stereotypical, football coach. He spoke a lot of coachspeak, but he enunciated well, had identifiable subjects and verbs in his sentences and if you learned the art of translating coachspeak you knew what he was saying.
I am with SBH, horrible interview.
Who cares? Bill Belichick probably isn't much fun to listen to, but I doubt people will judge his career on his interview skills.

Let's judge Albin on the results. And I am in the camp of excusing last season because of the timing of the coaching change. Here's hoping the turnaround starts this Saturday. Go Bobcats.
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71 BOBCAT
8/31/2022 8:39 AM
lovebobcat;
You want to judge TA on results verses interview skills? so far he fails on results as well. He had no capital going into this position like Frank possessed.





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Kevin Finnegan
8/31/2022 8:56 AM
We also have to judge a coach on recruiting. I'm unimpressed with that so far. When I look around the MAC, there are transfers from the portal from Ohio State, Michigan, NC State, Michigan State, Pitt, etc. We seemed to really not take advantage of the portal whatsoever. I hope I'm wrong on all this, but the HS class that just came in doesn't seem to be of the highest caliber. Multiple years of this becomes a long-term problem, not a quick fix for the next coach.
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OUcats82
8/31/2022 10:46 AM
For me, a MINIMUM of 6 wins to get to bowl eligibility is needed for retention.

2/3 of the conference went to a bowl game last year, including the entire West Division (albeit historically the stronger division).

This staff will need to likely pull out 4-5 wins in conference to make this a good season. I don't think they have it in them-but want to be proven wrong!

I foresee a lot of the same plays that we've been seeing for what feels like 20 years now, with a lot of close games, but losses all the same.

Last year was unique but still underwhelming and frustrating. I've had a bad taste in my mouth since the Duquesne loss and they haven't done much to take it away. No excuses if they stumble through this season.

Frankly (no pun intended), I am ready to move on to a whole new era/regime of Ohio Football. Solich did a lot of wonderful things for the program but it's beyond stale for me now with his hand picked successor who is essentially copying the same methods (understandably so). If a 3-9/4-8 season allows for a fresh start, I am willing to endure that.

All that being said, I do wonder if our AD has even put much thought into a strategy of what to do if this season unfolds like I fear it will.
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L.C.
8/31/2022 10:49 AM
Kevin Finnegan wrote:expand_more
We also have to judge a coach on recruiting. I'm unimpressed with that so far. When I look around the MAC, there are transfers from the portal from Ohio State, Michigan, NC State, Michigan State, Pitt, etc. We seemed to really not take advantage of the portal whatsoever. I hope I'm wrong on all this, but the HS class that just came in doesn't seem to be of the highest caliber. Multiple years of this becomes a long-term problem, not a quick fix for the next coach.

While I haven't been following the situation as closely as years past, my sense is that he knows this year is critical, and that he has to win, so he loaded up heavily on JUCOs and transfers. That often works in the short term, but the longer term effect is that those players are gone within two years, and with fewer freshmen in the class, there is a shortage of experience again in two years. It is often hard to maintain consistency year after year that way. Terry Bowden, at Akron, always used a lot of transfers and JUCOs, and did a better job than most that I have seen use that strategy. He did jump quickly from 1-11 to 5-7, and he had one 8-5 season, and a lot of competitive teams, but he never could seem to quite get over the hump to become a consistent winner.

In fairness to Albin, recruiting is always hampered when an "unknown" assistant is promoted to head coach. If he can establish that he can win, and that he as some long term stability, his recruiting gets better fairly quickly. As an extreme example, when Tom Osborne became coach at Nebraska, his recruiting the first year or two was not good because he was unknown, but later in his career, his recruiting was outstanding. I'm certainly not saying that Albin is an Osborne. I'm saying that success breeds success, and failure breeds failure. If Albin wins, his recruiting will improve. If Albin loses, there is no reason to keep him because his recruiting will not improve.
Last Edited: 8/31/2022 10:55:26 AM by L.C.
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DC_United47
8/31/2022 11:15 AM
Kevin Finnegan wrote:expand_more
We also have to judge a coach on recruiting. I'm unimpressed with that so far. When I look around the MAC, there are transfers from the portal from Ohio State, Michigan, NC State, Michigan State, Pitt, etc. We seemed to really not take advantage of the portal whatsoever. I hope I'm wrong on all this, but the HS class that just came in doesn't seem to be of the highest caliber. Multiple years of this becomes a long-term problem, not a quick fix for the next coach.
Check the tape - we got transfers from Ohio State (Wiglusz), Michigan State (Mayfield), Central Florida (Navarro) and Purdue (Hunter) this year. What would “taking advantage of the portal” look like to you?
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CatsUp
8/31/2022 12:04 PM
DC_United47 wrote:expand_more
We also have to judge a coach on recruiting. I'm unimpressed with that so far. When I look around the MAC, there are transfers from the portal from Ohio State, Michigan, NC State, Michigan State, Pitt, etc. We seemed to really not take advantage of the portal whatsoever. I hope I'm wrong on all this, but the HS class that just came in doesn't seem to be of the highest caliber. Multiple years of this becomes a long-term problem, not a quick fix for the next coach.
Check the tape - we got transfers from Ohio State (Wiglusz), Michigan State (Mayfield), Central Florida (Navarro) and Purdue (Hunter) this year. What would “taking advantage of the portal” look like to you?
I was curious after your comment and picked a random team to see how they did in this regard. Toledo. You might start there.
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Kevin Finnegan
8/31/2022 12:33 PM
DC_United47 wrote:expand_more
We also have to judge a coach on recruiting. I'm unimpressed with that so far. When I look around the MAC, there are transfers from the portal from Ohio State, Michigan, NC State, Michigan State, Pitt, etc. We seemed to really not take advantage of the portal whatsoever. I hope I'm wrong on all this, but the HS class that just came in doesn't seem to be of the highest caliber. Multiple years of this becomes a long-term problem, not a quick fix for the next coach.
Check the tape - we got transfers from Ohio State (Wiglusz), Michigan State (Mayfield), Central Florida (Navarro) and Purdue (Hunter) this year. What would “taking advantage of the portal” look like to you?
I hope I'm proven wrong with the names you listed. However, on the first 2-deep chart posted through the Game Notes, not one of these players is a starter and only one (Wiglusz) is listed as the certain back-up for his position. Navarro is listed with CJ Harris as the back-up QB and Mayfield and Hunter (unless I'm missing something) don't even make the 2-deep at their positions.
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ohiocatfan1
8/31/2022 3:05 PM
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If Tim is to keep his job a winning season will be necessary.
Coach O is still available, similar situation to Solich a few years back.

I watched Tim's new conference today and saw the same Tim, nervous, always mentioning that he's excited over and over, that just shows he doesn't know what to say when answering questions.






GO BOBCATS
Fact. I have stated this before but at the Caravan event at Eclipse Company Store he was a complete embarrassment. Absolutely ZERO communication skills.


I really don't get the point of all this. It's the beginning of a new season.

Who gives a shit if he is a hotshot on camera? Frank was a terrible interview.

Why so much animosity? Players seem to like Albin -- doesn't that count for something?
You're correct he doesn't need to be a hotshot on camera but for heavens sake he needs to be coherent. Like it or not being the Head Coach of a D1 football program requires many skills.
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cc-cat
10/24/2022 5:09 PM
I think this is a better indicator of this board's view of Albin going into this season -- as opposed to a hacked up anonymous survey that provided 5 ways of saying fire Albin and one option for wait and see (reminds me of a cable news channel survey). Per this thread he is hitting the mark.
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El Gato Roberto
10/25/2022 11:26 AM
The win vs NIU impressed me. I’m on-board the Tim Train.
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Valley Cat
10/25/2022 11:46 AM
I had the opportunity to spend some time talking to him Saturday evening. You could sense his excitement about the win and the upcoming stretch. He was beyond cordial even though I’m sure he just wanted to head home after an exhausting day.
The addition of Brian Smith to the staff in my opinion has had to help the passing game. He has a really good resume. I see he’s on the sideline now as well.
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giacomo
10/26/2022 2:05 PM
This is great information for our AD. She uses these comments to help her make hiring decisions.
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Ohio69
10/26/2022 2:17 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
This is great information for our AD. She uses these comments to help her make hiring decisions.
Don't we all used random internet info to make all our decisions?

I assume 5-3 in the MAC with an pretty impressive offense and (maybe) really improving defense keeps Tim Albin in charge.
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OhioCatFan
10/26/2022 4:55 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
This is great information for our AD. She uses these comments to help her make hiring decisions.
Not if she doesn't even listen to us BA nutjobs!
Last Edited: 10/26/2022 4:55:54 PM by OhioCatFan
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gedunkman
10/31/2022 11:43 PM
Win the MAC East and he's back. Win the MACC and he's golden. Win the MACC and a bowl game, and I'll donate to his retention fund. Finish under 500 and, he may be gone.
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SBH
11/1/2022 11:25 PM
Wow, pretty high bar to clear before you donate a few sheckels to support the program. Impressive.
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oubobcatjohn
11/2/2022 12:08 AM
Double win total already from last year. Impressive 5-0 at home. Program is back on track. Lots of improvement. tough schedule remaining 2 road games, but big win over Buffalo was what we needed. The Swag is back in Athens.
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Victory
11/2/2022 12:15 AM
This is the coolest Albin's seat has been since taking, IMO, the worst loss for the program in decades against Duquesne.
Last Edited: 11/2/2022 12:15:54 AM by Victory
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mf279801
11/2/2022 12:44 AM
I’ve seen enough, keep him, sign him to a “real” contract (e.g. a true 4-year contract).

When we let Buffalo close within 7 in the 3rd quarter, after a sloppy end to the 1st half and a sloppy 3rd quarter, i thought we were going to crumple like a cheap suit, but instead we got gritty and fought back!
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