menu
Logo
Ohio Football Topic
Topic: UPC (Underhwelming Performance Consistently)
Page: 2 of 3
bobcat28
General User
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 817
mail
bobcat28
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 12:52 PM
Spike Lee came in 95 or 96.
Your Name
General User
Member Since: 8/23/2010
Post Count: 150
mail
Your Name
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 12:55 PM
Which speakers are being brought to Baker lately? That always seemed to be a consistently good stream of programming. Might have missed the boat on DMB, they may be on hiatus next year.
shabamon
General User
Member Since: 11/17/2006
Location: Cincinnati
Post Count: 7,318
mail
shabamon
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 1:03 PM
Since I was a freshman in 2004-2005, I can remember only two speakers/concerts that held a buzz over the entire campus, and they both occurred that year. The first was Bill Cosby performing two sold-out shows in MemAud (almost as elite as it gets in comedy). The second was was John Edwards (probably not organized by UPC). That same year, we also had Lil Wayne, but that was before he really started blowing up.  I have also heard that UPC has peanuts for a budget, but they have managed to bring in acts that were big hits within their sub-cultures (Fabolous, Gavin Degraw, Lee Ann Womack who is coming this year).
Alan Swank
General User
AS
Member Since: 12/12/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 7,376
person
mail
Alan Swank
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 1:32 PM
I think there is some confusion here.  Just because a show comes to OU doesn't mean that UPC put it on.  Most of the stuff in Mem Aud is done as a part of the performing arts series or their concert series.  For some of these shows, UPC is one of several sponsors but the booking and production is done by the Mem Aud folks which is a part of the division of student affairs.  And if you want to talk about small budgets, how about less than $5 per student per year for the Mem Aud folks.

Convo concerts began to disappear in the mid 80's.  Part of it is due to the availability of the facility.  JCW can tell you all about that one.  Right now, about the only sure thing to sell lots of seats in the Convo is country.  Mem Aud is a different story as evidenced by a sold out Wilco show.  With such a diverse student body, it's tough to sell 2000 tickets at the price you'd need to charge to break even.  The alternative would be to direct additional student fee money to the performing arts.  A buck a two a quarter per student just isn't getting it right now.


C Money
General User
Member Since: 8/28/2010
Post Count: 3,420
mail
C Money
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 1:35 PM
Flomo-genized wrote:expand_more
Oh, and when I was in school, Zach Galfianakis came to OU. So did Mitch Hedberg. So did Doug Stanhope. 3 of the biggest names in comedy in the last 20 years, easily. 


When was Mitch Hedberg on campus?  I'd love to have seen that.


Winter 2003, I think. I had just seen his Comedy Central special about 3 weeks before, and instantly had a new comic hero. It was an awesome show. They wouldn't let him take his wine bottle on stage with him, so every 5 minutes or so he'd take a 30 second break, come back with this grin, and just keep rolling with the one liners. One of my top 15 college memories probably.

Of the people I talked to who went to the show, I'd say only 50% of them actually went because they knew who he was, and the other 50% were just looking for something to do. He's probably one of the most well known names in comedy now (R.I.P.), but back then, he still had that, "Wait... I think I've seen this guy somewhere before, but I can't remember where," mystique about him. And maybe that's a plus for UPC....you get the chance to say you've seen the big names before they were big names, assuming they do eventually become big names.

But then again, who would you rather see, DMB or Jason Mraz?
Bobcat Love
General User
BL
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Post Count: 1,193
person
mail
Bobcat Love
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 2:11 PM
Cosby counts against my argument. No doubt. He's a draw 100 times out of 100. I still haven't heard another  besides the pudding pop king.
Your Name
General User
Member Since: 8/23/2010
Post Count: 150
mail
Your Name
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 2:20 PM
George Carlin (RIP) and Rusted Root at the Convo.
Doc Bobcat
General User
DB
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 4,421
person
mail
Doc Bobcat
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 2:39 PM
Rod Serling was here in the late 60's......his TV series kinda sums up how I feel about the season so far.
Alan Swank
General User
AS
Member Since: 12/12/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 7,376
person
mail
Alan Swank
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 2:58 PM
Here's some ticket stubs I have over the last 7 years:

Garrison Keillor    Mem Aud     April 2010     Performing Arts Series
Wilco                      Mem Aud     April 2009     PA Series
Lyle Lovett &         Mem Aud     Feb 2009      Horizons Concert Series
John Hiatt
Indigo Girls           Mem Aud      Oct 2008       Horizons
Emmylou Harris   Mem Aud      Jan 2008       Horizons
Patty Griffin
Shawn Colvin
Buddy Miller
Art Garfunkel        Mem Aud        Jan 2007      Pepsi and PA Series 
Travis Tritt             Peden            June 2005    Blue Gator Presents
Kathy Mattea         Mem Aud      April 2005     PA Series
Bill Cosby              Mem Aud       March 2005  BSCPB, UPC, PA Series
BB King                  Mem Aud        Nov 2003     PA Series, Blue Gator

Livingston Taylor and Tiff Merritt have also been here but I can't find those stubs.

Jeff McKinney
Moderator
JM
Member Since: 11/12/2004
Post Count: 6,163
person
mail
Jeff McKinney
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 3:04 PM
Wasn't Nickel Creek in Athens several years ago?
Bobcat Love
General User
BL
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Post Count: 1,193
person
mail
Bobcat Love
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 3:07 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Here's some ticket stubs I have over the last 7 years:

Garrison Keillor    Mem Aud     April 2010     Performing Arts Series
Wilco                      Mem Aud     April 2009     PA Series
Lyle Lovett &         Mem Aud     Feb 2009      Horizons Concert Series
John Hiatt
Indigo Girls           Mem Aud      Oct 2008       Horizons
Emmylou Harris   Mem Aud      Jan 2008       Horizons
Patty Griffin
Shawn Colvin
Buddy Miller
Art Garfunkel        Mem Aud        Jan 2007      Pepsi and PA Series 
Travis Tritt             Peden            June 2005    Blue Gator Presents
Kathy Mattea         Mem Aud      April 2005     PA Series
Bill Cosby              Mem Aud       March 2005  BSCPB, UPC, PA Series
BB King                  Mem Aud        Nov 2003     PA Series, Blue Gator

Livingston Taylor and Tiff Merritt have also been here but I can't find those stubs.


Nice. There's one act on there that the entire campus could rally around. Cliff Huxtable.
John C. Wanamaker
General User
Member Since: 1/2/2005
Post Count: 1,103
mail
John C. Wanamaker
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 3:09 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Here's some ticket stubs I have over the last 7 years:

Garrison Keillor    Mem Aud     April 2010     Performing Arts Series
Wilco                      Mem Aud     April 2009     PA Series
Lyle Lovett &         Mem Aud     Feb 2009      Horizons Concert Series
John Hiatt
Indigo Girls           Mem Aud      Oct 2008       Horizons
Emmylou Harris   Mem Aud      Jan 2008       Horizons
Patty Griffin
Shawn Colvin
Buddy Miller
Art Garfunkel        Mem Aud        Jan 2007      Pepsi and PA Series 
Travis Tritt             Peden            June 2005    Blue Gator Presents
Kathy Mattea         Mem Aud      April 2005     PA Series
Bill Cosby              Mem Aud       March 2005  BSCPB, UPC, PA Series
BB King                  Mem Aud        Nov 2003     PA Series, Blue Gator

Livingston Taylor and Tiff Merritt have also been here but I can't find those stubs.



Al, I think you help show the Love's point.  Love is talking directly about UPC, and on your list, which is quite complete you only have one UPC sponsored event.  You are also correct in the pitiful funding that UPC is given.  Regarding the Convocation Center, the usage of that building is quite limited throughout most of the school year due to University commitments with ICA and Rec and Sports Sciences.  The other problem with using the Convocation Center was addressed in a great article by the Columbus Dispatch about a year ago, in the battle of bringing large acts into arenas.  Like it or not, the Convocation Center simply cannot compete with Hunington, Charleston, Columbus for larger acts as managers and booking agents needs those venues for their multiple clients and advantages the cities offer. 
Alan Swank
General User
AS
Member Since: 12/12/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 7,376
person
mail
Alan Swank
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 3:14 PM
Not sure about the entire campus but 6 of the 9 Mem Aud shows sold out.  If some teams were willing and able to move practice time to Ping, more concerts could be scheduled in the Convo.

I don't know about UPC funding but the figures I quoted are for the Mem Aud folks who put on the Performing Arts Series and most of the concerts that are in Mem Aud.
Last Edited: 9/13/2010 3:15:51 PM by Alan Swank
John C. Wanamaker
General User
Member Since: 1/2/2005
Post Count: 1,103
mail
John C. Wanamaker
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 3:35 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Not sure about the entire campus but 6 of the 9 Mem Aud shows sold out.  If some teams were willing and able to move practice time to Ping, more concerts could be scheduled in the Convo.

I don't know about UPC funding but the figures I quoted are for the Mem Aud folks who put on the Performing Arts Series and most of the concerts that are in Mem Aud.


Moving practice to Ping is not that easy Al, Campus Rec charges ICA to use Ping, and it is not a nominal fee, and the egg heads at Grover are even harder to deal with.
bobcat695
General User
B695
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Parkersburg, WV
Post Count: 1,345
person
mail
bobcat695
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 3:35 PM
I was in Athens on business this morning and grabbed today's copy of the Athens News while getting a coffee.  There is an article on page 10 talking about this exact point and provides some explanation.  I read it as more excuses for why things can't be done, but at least Love isn't the only one asking this question right now.
Alan Swank
General User
AS
Member Since: 12/12/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 7,376
person
mail
Alan Swank
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 3:44 PM
Here's the article:

http://www.athensnews.com/ohio/article-32042-concert-plan...

Here's a thought - anyone want to promote a concert in Athens?  It can be done.
JSF
General User
Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,581
mail
JSF
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 3:58 PM
I will contend that getting a musical act that "unifies the students" is a nigh-impossible task these days.  Musical taste is more fractured and diverse than ever.  All you need to do is open up the weekend edition of the Athens NEWS and take a gander at the variety of bands playing on Court Street.  There's a reason that variety exists: There's an audience for all of it.  Dave Matthews Band?  Is it the 90's again?  I really don't think Love is anywhere close to the student zeitgeist.

UPC is run by students, so if you want to go after young adults with little-to-no experience in booking, by all means, have fun.  They tend to go after acts that, while they might not be of general appeal, are popular within their genre.  I think that's a good way to go; most of their acts are well received.

Mo Rocca, for instance, is a win to me.  Looking forward to him coming.
Last Edited: 9/13/2010 3:58:31 PM by JSF
Bobcat Love
General User
BL
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Post Count: 1,193
person
mail
Bobcat Love
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 3:59 PM
Ironic timing....I have been thinking of this issue for a long time. Mrs. LOVE and I got into heavy discussion about it on during the Toledo game and on the way home. Glad I'm not the only one noticing this.

Honestly, they are putting on such garbage shows (Lee Ann Womack???) that I would just pool the money and put on one big act every 2 years...instead of completely reaching to get a bunch of crummy small acts every year.
Bobcat Love
General User
BL
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Post Count: 1,193
person
mail
Bobcat Love
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 4:00 PM
I never said DMB was the gold standard. Frankly, I never mentioned them at all in any of my posts.

27 UPC Executives all trying to pad their resumes.
Alan Swank
General User
AS
Member Since: 12/12/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 7,376
person
mail
Alan Swank
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 4:03 PM
Ironically, according to the Artist Series brochure, Mo Rocca is not a UPC sponsored event.

Dragon is right about diversity.  Who would have thought that the Boxcar Burlesque event Saturday night at Eclipse would have been such a big hit.  In Athens, about anything will play well - this town is that diverse.

http://www.boxcarburlesque.com/ type="_moz" />
Last Edited: 9/13/2010 4:05:25 PM by Alan Swank
HeHateMiami
General User
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Mason, OH
Post Count: 492
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
Honestly, they are putting on such garbage shows (Lee Ann Womack???) that I would just pool the money and put on one big act every 2 years...instead of completely reaching to get a bunch of crummy small acts every year.


Or is it a venue problem? If Mem Aud is a 2,000 seat venue and it's selling out on "garbage shows" then what's the point of pooling the money to splurge on 1 or 2 big acts if you're already filling the venue anyways?

You're still only going to get 2,000 butts in the seats. Is it really unifying the campus if everyone knows that Bill Cosby is coming to town but only 4,000 people can see him during his two nights on campus? 
Ozcat
General User
Member Since: 1/4/2005
Location: Gahanna, OH
Post Count: 820
mail
Ozcat
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 4:15 PM
What would be wrong with Peden in the spring?  I would think that would be a great setting.
C Money
General User
Member Since: 8/28/2010
Post Count: 3,420
mail
C Money
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 4:35 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
I never said DMB was the gold standard. Frankly, I never mentioned them at all in any of my posts.

27 UPC Executives all trying to pad their resumes.


I think I'm the one who brought up Dave Matthews, and it was due to a real life event. It was in the early 00s, and at the time DMB was the gold standard. Fiami brought them in. We got Jason Mraz, who I only knew as the guy on VH1 who wore his ball cap crooked.

I've got no idea who the gold standard would be today, because I'm no longer a college student. But I knew who it was then, and I knew we were being shown up by Oxford Prep.
JSF
General User
Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,581
mail
JSF
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 5:19 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
Honestly, they are putting on such garbage shows (Lee Ann Womack???) that I would just pool the money and put on one big act every 2 years...instead of completely reaching to get a bunch of crummy small acts every year.


This is very important: Nobody cares if you think they're crummy acts.  UPC isn't programming for you, they're programming for the students.  I think they know want students want a lot better than you do.  Emmanuelle Jah was fantastic.  That's exactly the kind of act I want UPC bringing in- something different and wonderful I might not have been exposed to otherwise.  Just going for national names is lame and lazy.  One of the great things about OU is that we look beyond what pop culture is throwing at us.  Ohio State can have their big-ticket acts.  We don't want that.  It's also important to note UPC does more than just music.  Speakers, plays, musicals... it's all under their umbrella.

Also, if I had to guess, I'd guess that budgets don't roll over from year to year.  They have to spend that money before the end of Spring Quarter.

I had no interest in Jason Mraz (with Michelle Branch), but I know a lot of people were really jazzed for that show.  Again, just because you might not like it doesn't mean it has no audience.
Last Edited: 9/13/2010 5:20:27 PM by JSF
Ozcat
General User
Member Since: 1/4/2005
Location: Gahanna, OH
Post Count: 820
mail
Ozcat
mail
Posted: 9/13/2010 5:52 PM

The article was an interesting read.  If those are the problems they face in getting acts, I'll show them some sympathy. 

Not knowing at all how this works, why couldn't they pull another $10 or $20 from each student's tuition to apply towards the UPC's budget?  Throw a larger concert in Peden or on the intramural fields and make it free to everyone.  They take money out for Ping whether or not you use it, so how is this much different?

Dragon, your points are extremely valid.  Some of the groups are big among a certain group, but Love's original point was to strive for a 'unifying event'.  I believe this will require more than 2,000 students, so a venue outside of MemAud needs to come into play.

Showing Messages: 26 - 50 of 69
MAC News Links
Wednesday, May 13, 2026



extra small (< 576px)
small (>= 576px)
medium (>= 768px)
large (>= 992px)
x-large (>= 1200px)
xx-large (>= 1400px)