Thank you 71!

We are NOT that bad...O Line clearly needs work as does Kick Coverage...But yes for whatever reason we do seem to play down to our competition.  I think we believed a little too much of our own hype going into this game (the ass kicking that Arizona put on them at home didn't help matters either).

I trust the Staff to get things corrected moving forward (and lets remember Lavon's had VERY little practice time and Boo's seeing the field in live action for only the second time in a year).  One thing I think is critical for the remainder of the season in addition to O Line improvement is Boykin improving his pass pro skills.  The staff obviously isn't comfortable with them yet...If he does that and opposing D's can't identify an obvious run play when he's in, our running game improves drastically with his size behind the ball...

This was a conference loss yes...But a cross divisional one...We still hold our own fate in division and as I mentioned in another thread, Temple needed OT to beat CMU at home!

We're OK...We really are...

You think that coaching stops once the game begins.

I think that's when it's more important than ever.

Yes, have a game plan.  But adjust when it ain't working.

Gawd.  We lost to Toledo.  At home.

What are you talking about?  Seriously.

I merely suggest that the coaches should consider changing things up in some way if the game plan doesn't work.  What does that have to do with shaking players about or getting crazy with a stick. 

I guess that you don't think

(thought I'd stop there mid-sentence because that says so much)

that the coaches should come into the game with some alternative plays or players to insert in case the game plan isn't working.

Okay.  I get it.  You're just being an idiot to yank my chain.  Well, the first part is working.

No, that ball should have been avoided like the plague. Anyone watching that ball knew the outcome before it happened. Get the f*** away from that ball, and maybe out offense has one more chance at a fluke play for a score.

nomoreknorr.

Huh?  I didn't say a word against Boo.  I haven't said a word against a single individual player.  By all accounts Franshaw is a GREAT guy.  Unfortunately, he and the offense weren't getting it done last week.

Sorry, but YN's question has me fired up.  I thouht a lot about this as I just drove home from work.

Let me grab on to that excellent post someone else put up today about leadership.  Saturday, we came back from down 7-0 after a bad interception to lead 10-7.  That shoulda been it.  We shoulda been fired up and thereon stormed to a big victory.  We desperately need it and a big start to a season for once.

Instead, we're headed to--I dont like saying it--1-3 start and no fan enthusiasm at all.

So, here's more, YN, of what I'd've done--things to could've gotten us going, could've put the leadership on the field.  The hurry up.  Gotta do it at points to literally get my players jumping and running.  Get the crowd excited.  There've been many, many posts here about how the crowd was lethargic bored.  And no posts at all about it being excited.

But several have posted that it was quite a good crowd, espec from the underclassmen.  This was a game which we had to win, to TAKE, to git the program going.  I woulda done that hurry up to shake up Toledo.  To get 'em worn out as my guys fired in and out of the lineup KNOWING THAT THEY WERE COMING WITH AN EDGE, that we had too much for 'em, that this is OUr time..  Only one running back carried for us the other day?  No way when I get our offense running at warp speed--gonna need at least two guys 'cause this is gonna be energy.  Get the crowd fired up.

Run four wideouts, no running back sets.  Leaves ya six linemen spots to protect our qb.

Four wideouts all on one side  If Boo couldn't wing it long, try another qb.  Quick hitter runs.  Not all of the hurry up offense needs to be run at warp speed.  Get to the line quickly doens't necessarily mean get the play off quickly.

Does our qb ever pump fake to freeze db's or make them commit?

Maybe two wideouts and a TE one one side and one running back.

I want my offense coming out knowing that they got a whole package of stuff they can put on ya and no way you gonna stop it all...and the house 'bOUt to blow up...'cause you had you're 7-0 lead, but now it's 10-7 O- H-I-O in the house and it is OVER for you.

Fade back to pass and shovel pass it forward to a running back.


I don't have all of the answers.  But there's something that'll work.

But, instead, we blew it.  Last Saturday was a bellwether for the program.  It was a chance to announce, to take a step up.  Instead, we goinked it.  That's what so many of us know and feel.  That was a BAD loss.


And, I still say Snyder.

I agree with what you are saying here, but I would add one thing. When they are only rushing 3, there have to be gaps between them. Ohio's running plays, unfortunately, take too long to develop, and Toledo's defense was able to adjust and stop them. Do you think quicker-hitting running plays would have been any more effective?

OK, thanks, JCW. Do you have any other suggestions or ideas how to get the offense moving, given the players they have?