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Posted: 9/19/2010 9:07 PM
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Wow.  Bitter much?  What the hell is your problem?  Go ahead and jump of the cliff and leave us Ohio Bobcat fans alone.


Wishing death upon others? Yeah, no more reason to comment.


BTW Your Name, is that a trey anastasio pic you've got there? Jesus...I hope you're being ironic.
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It is him. What's the irony, Snoopy?
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Flomo, what is your reasoning for going w/ the top 17? Seems like an odd place to stop, although I do see Auburn at 17 in the AP. If you actually go with the traditional top 25, the SEC and Big Ten both end up with SIX teams in the rankings. No other SEC team received votes, Northwestern received other votes in both major polls.


The reasoning is that in general higher ranked teams are better teams.  Hence, a conference with 6 out of the top 17 teams in the country is going to be tougher than one with 6 top 25 teams, but only 2 in the top 17.  For example, the 4th highest ranked team in the SEC is ranked 12th, while the 4th highest ranked team in the Big 10 is 21st.  That's a huge difference when you are judging overall difficulty.  Now admittedly polls aren't a perfect measure of quality, but neither are bowl games.
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Thank you to the players who fought for Ohio’s first and finest university yesterday and left their blood and sweat on the field in Columbus. Your hard work is building a program that one day will be able to consider itself a rival of BCS programs. As frustrated as you and many of us are, look at where we’ve come in recent years (yes, with some setbacks along the way). This is not the Ohio program of the 80s and mid 90s. We’ve beaten Hawaii, Maryland, Minnesota, Kentucky, and Pittsburgh. We came within fluke plays of beating Kansas State and North Carolina State. We’ve been competitive with Ohio State and Tennessee, two of the top programs all time. And we’ve gone to as many bowl games in the past 4 years as we have, probably, in all of our previous history.


You can add Illinois to your list as well.
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Why not? Are you going to give me a reason? And if you mean just because we got beaten soundly this game, then I don't think that is enough.


Why are we not Ohio State's rival? For one, we don't compete on the same stage as them. They are playing for BCS games. We play for 4th and 5th tier bowl games. They recruit top level players out of high school (please keep Cardale Jones out of this scenario, he is going to the Big Ten or SEC). We accept cast offs from other BCS schools, go ape$h!t over those pick ups, then proceed to be underwhelmed. We don't play them on a regular basis for it to even have the makings of a rivalry. We have finally made it onto OSU's out of conference schedule the past few seasons. I would love for us to continue to make trips to Ohio Stadium every few years. The problem is that after yesterday's debacle, do you and our other fanatics want to make that walk of shame again?


Let me just first say that I respect your opinion. This is just sports afterall and something we watch for entertainment with the added excitement with the team in question usually being our alma mater in the case of Ohio fans. And I can think of nothing more entertaining than playing Ohio State in football. Did we get blown out this time around? Definitely. But, Marshall and Miami also suffered similar fates to this Ohio State team. Miami dropped 24 points to OSU in a single quarter from what I hear. The past two appearances, we have shown very well and played them hard. And the OSU game themed T-shirts, the chants in the stadium, the feelings of the fans expressed on this board shows that many people do and I am sure still do consider this a rivalry matchup regardless of the frequency or level that both teams play on. Ask Northern Illinois if they considered their match up with Illinois that they recently lost a rivalry and they will tell you the same thing. It simply doesn't matter the frequency they play them or the conference level. NIU hates Illinois. 

Finally, I disagree with your final point albeit for difference reasons. I think after our poor showing the bigger problem is whether OSU will want to invite us back. If we would have beat them in 2008, you can bet that OSU would be wanted to schedule us again to re-establish their superiority over us. The underdog scenario is precisely one the reasons why this game is so exciting IMO. And I am sure a lot of other fans feel this way.
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I have no idea if ou considers Ohio State their rival.  But Ohio State DOES NOT consider ou our rival.  I think it has to be a 2 way street with a true rivalry.

A rival is someone you can't wait to play, someone who you think about every year.  I have news for some of you.  The only time anyone from Ohio State...team, coaches, band, cheerleaders, fans, alum...even think about ou is the week before we play you.  Then the next time we think about ou will be the week before we play again..whenever that is.  That doesn't sound like a rivalry to me. 


Thanks for the input tbdbitl. This in my opinion is the best point to place that Ohio and Ohio State are not rivals in football. If we were really a challenge to OSU in football, the team and the fans would recognize it as such. So the feelings are one-sided at this point.
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In terms of "stealing your name"  you guys are named after a state bro, it's not like it's some original or valuable name that you came up with.  If you want to be jerks about it you guys are OHIO UNIVERSITY, not OHIO, don't see where one school gets to claim the name of an entire state over another. 


P2P, your whole argument falls flat from the get go because OSU were the ones that were "jerks" about it to begin with. This is what led to all the hard feelings by bobcat fans. We simply made a logo with Ohio in it which we had every right to do and OSU brought us to court over it. Do you honestly mean to say that every other university in the country can do it but not us? I mean seriously.
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In terms of "stealing your name"  you guys are named after a state bro, it's not like it's some original or valuable name that you came up with.  If you want to be jerks about it you guys are OHIO UNIVERSITY, not OHIO, don't see where one school gets to claim the name of an entire state over another.  We were chosen and are recognized as the states flagship institution and we take pride in the state we are from, maybe if you spent a little bit more time supporting your fellow Ohio schools and teams and less time whining about your name you'd have a chance to be more accepted as the leading school in the state.


We're the Ohio Bobcats, You're the Ohio State Buckeyes.

My diploma reads The Ohio University.  Yours' will (does?) read The Ohio State University.

You're State, We're Ohio.

Can we be called the Ohio Buckeyes?  It's not like OSU made the name up, all they did was take the state tree.

The Ohio vs Ohio State name thing is old. Ohio State is the only school in the country that doesn't seem to understand how 'one school can claim the name of an entire state over another.'

Other Schools that have 'claimed the name of an entire state' and don't seem to have this problem:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming

Maybe it's because we're Ohio Univeristy and not the University of Ohio that's throwing everybody off.

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SEC is vastly over rated. The Big 10 is as well. 

Until there is a system in place that:
forces big time schools to plan non-gimick schedules,
have less then 8 home games a year,
travel outside thier geographic region for something other then a bowl game every year, 
changes the fact that there are only 30 schools in any given year that can win anything of meaning, 25 of which are ALWAYS the same
and stops pretending that pre-season rankings mean anything......this argument over who is better is pointless.
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I should probably just let this die, but one more note on the Big 10 vs. SEC.  In my mind, the computer rankings are probably the most relevant source for comparing the two conferences given the infrequency with which they play.  If you take the Sagarin ratings, for instance, the difference is stark.  Here is a comparison of the number of top 30 teams in each conference over the last few years:

2006: SEC = 8, Big 10 = 4
2007: SEC = 7, Big 10 = 4 (with 2 more SEC teams at 31 and 32)
2008: SEC = 5, Big 10 = 3
2009: SEC = 7, Big 10 = 4

Sure games at Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State can be tough.  But in the SEC you face nearly twice as many comparably difficult games as you do in the Big 10.  It has just simply been a deeper, better conference for a while now.
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I've absorbed everything I've just read.  My takeaways:
  • OUr performance was horrendous.  It's that simple.
  • The top of the SEC is always top-notch, and their depth is usually impressive.  That said, this season, other than Alabama, OSU should be able to handle any other team.  If you're using Arkansas and South Carolina as your argument, I like OSU's chances.  When the Big 10 adds a much improved Nebraska next season, the two conferences are neck and neck, imo.
  • Rufus owned Brutus, but unfortunately, I think we suffer as I don't see us being invited back anytime soon.
     

Their was an OU victory on Saturday though.  I believe it ended up looking something like this:

110/Van Halen  -  43     The Most Overrated Band in the Land/Looney Tunes  -  7

The 110 torched them.  OSU even had a fire extinguisher on the field to put out the flames.  I honestly felt bad for tOSUMB, especially during Skull Session.  I mean, they had to sit their and watch Longtrain and witness a standing O from people mostly covered in their colors, and then counter with the Flintstone's.  Dominating performance.  Go Cats.

 

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In a few minutes I'm headed off to a meeting.  But before leaving I want to thank all - OU and OSU backers - who have posted on this thread.  You have provided me with a week's worth of entertainment.

Here's a question: When young people are choosing a college or university, how many make their selection based on a school's football program?

This past weekend I posed that question to several young people and their parents, including a neighbor boy who is headed to OSU and a next door neighbor girl who is headed to OU.  Their replies were consistent: strength of football program didn't factor into their decision-making.

Next question: how many posting on this thread factored football program strength into their own college-destination selection? 

Me?  It was the Scripps School - period.

I grew up an OSU football fan.  It was natural.  My best friend's grandparents lived next door to the  legendary Roseboro family in Ashland. JIm was an OSU running back; John a Dodgers catcher.  I don't think I'd heard of OU until 1960 when papers started including stories on this school in Athens that was marching to an undefeated season.  Still, I remained an OSU fan until enrolling at OU. 

Today?  When OSU wins or loses, my reaction is the same.  Yawn.  And I have a nephew on the Buckeyes' team.  And he knows that I'm foremost an OU fan and merely yawn at the outcome of Buckeye games. 

Our family?  10 have gone to OU, 5 to OSU.  All seem pleased by their choices. 

Thanks again for all the smiles and chuckles this thread has generated.
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I'm not a marching band fan of any kind outside of the traditions as they relate to pregame and the actual football on the field.

However, the worst part is the gimmicks, whether it be props, lame dancing, or staged-fighting. They work with most people though. Thus, they continue to get giggles from the American Idol club, applause, and use.

Equally bad is listening to a marching band play pop or rock music. Sorry, but with those instruments, it's excruciating. Give me a movie score, big band, jazz, or something from the classics.

As for the "name" issue, I own a shirt that says "Vermont" on the front. It is not licensed by the University of Vermont. Apparently, it only becomes indicative of the school once "University of" is added to the title. The same goes for the "Boston COLLEGE" and "Boston UNIVERSITY" gear that I see every day of the week. Neither simply use "Boston." Vermont is a state, and Boston is a city. Neither are schools. I saw a red shirt the other day that said "Michigan" on the front. It did not confuse me. It was a clear reference to the state and not to any school.

Here we have Ohio "University" and Ohio "State University." The quoted words create the schools. Both were the terms added to the state title to create a school title. Any use of just "Ohio" refers to the state or is simply being used in a casual sense (cheers, message board lingo, everyday conversation). The word "Ohio" never, in and of itself, officially refers to a school.
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Your Name,

Childish sarcasm and antagonistic behavior is a rung down from anger IMHO.  At least the anger is bourn of passion for a program that most Ohio fan's on this board support with ALL their heart.

P2P,

As was pointed out earlier, you're absolutely right; Ohio is not a rival of Ohio A&M.  Honestly this is something I take pride in.  You root for a corporation...We root for a college.  Your "team" exemplifies what's wrong with big time college athletics.  $70 per ticket and $15 to park is an absolute embarrassment.  Your fan base is a joke and your trolling here only proves the point.  The fact that you even use the word obnoxious when describing any other fan base is laughable.

I for one was elated to hear that Nebraska was joining the Big 10.  Your team rolls through a weak conference year in and year out...wins (maybe) one big game and waltzes into a BCS game.  Now that Nebraska is involved (adding a smidge of validity to the conference) and bringing a conference championship game, the hackneyed excuses about the layoff between conference play and Bowl Game will no longer fly.  You can only thrive off of Media driven hype for so long.  Those days are quickly coming to an end and I for one am grateful for the front row seat.

OzCat,

Turns out you were right...Tressel does define class after all...Going for it on 4th down from the 1 when you're up 36 - 0 in the waning minutes of the 3rd quarter reeks of class...I'm embarrassed I've been missing the boat all this time.

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Your Name,

Childish sarcasm and antagonistic behavior is a rung down from anger IMHO.  At least the anger is bourn of passion for a program that most Ohio fan's on this board support with ALL their heart.

P2P,

As was pointed out earlier, you're absolutely right; Ohio is not a rival of Ohio A&M.  Honestly this is something I take pride in.  You root for a corporation...We root for a college.  Your "team" exemplifies what's wrong with big time college athletics.  $70 per ticket and $15 to park is an absolute embarrassment.  Your fan base is a joke and your trolling here only proves the point.  The fact that you even use the word obnoxious when describing any other fan base is laughable.

I for one was elated to hear that Nebraska was joining the Big 10.  Your team rolls through a weak conference year in and year out...wins (maybe) one big game and waltzes into a BCS game.  Now that Nebraska is involved (adding a smidge of validity to the conference) and bringing a conference championship game, the hackneyed excuses about the layoff between conference play and Bowl Game will no longer fly.  You can only thrive off of Media driven hype for so long.  Those days are quickly coming to an end and I for one am grateful for the front row seat.

OzCat,

Turns out you were right...Tressel does define class after all...Going for it on 4th down from the 1 when you're up 36 - 0 in the waning minutes of the 3rd quarter reeks of class...I'm embarrassed I've been missing the boat all this time.



Tressel was doing the Ohio offense a favor by extending the drive, keeping them on the bench so as not to further embaress themselves.
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Can't argue that! 
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Your Name,

Childish sarcasm and antagonistic behavior is a rung down from anger IMHO.  At least the anger is bourn of passion for a program that most Ohio fan's on this board support with ALL their heart.

P2P,

As was pointed out earlier, you're absolutely right; Ohio is not a rival of Ohio A&M.  Honestly this is something I take pride in.  You root for a corporation...We root for a college.  Your "team" exemplifies what's wrong with big time college athletics.  $70 per ticket and $15 to park is an absolute embarrassment.  Your fan base is a joke and your trolling here only proves the point.  The fact that you even use the word obnoxious when describing any other fan base is laughable.

I for one was elated to hear that Nebraska was joining the Big 10.  Your team rolls through a weak conference year in and year out...wins (maybe) one big game and waltzes into a BCS game.  Now that Nebraska is involved (adding a smidge of validity to the conference) and bringing a conference championship game, the hackneyed excuses about the layoff between conference play and Bowl Game will no longer fly.  You can only thrive off of Media driven hype for so long.  Those days are quickly coming to an end and I for one am grateful for the front row seat.

OzCat,

Turns out you were right...Tressel does define class after all...Going for it on 4th down from the 1 when you're up 36 - 0 in the waning minutes of the 3rd quarter reeks of class...I'm embarrassed I've been missing the boat all this time.



I take it you hope Ohio University does not improve the football program enough to substantially increase the fan base? If not, you are being naive if you believe the Ohio University AD will not increase all prices to whatever number maximizes profit. The only reason the prices are currently low is to maximize profit. Ohio University can't make money if no one buys tickets, so consultants submit reports that demonstrate the most profitable price/purchase ratio. 

So, as I understand it, many Ohio University fans complain about the small size of the overall fan support, but at the same time, brag about the small size of the fan base.

This only increases confidence in my hypothesis that if the fan base were to grow substantially, many of the current hardcore fans would jump off the wagon. The "I only listen to obscure rock bands" group will move on. For many, part of the fun of being a Bobcat fan is being different and the exclusivity.
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I also find it incredibly amusing that fans of a school that considers itself a legitimate national championship contender when its team would be lucky to finish 6-2 in the SEC, are calling us delusional. 


ROFL, this is the type of pathetic shit that drives people to be annoyed by your fan base.  You have 0 clue about football and turn around the minute you get your ass beat and talk about what OTHER teams that you don't even root for would supposidly do to ours. What the hell does the SEC have to do with this conversation?  Need I mention the fact that the Big Ten and SEC are dead even in bowl games the past decade?  There's quite a large difference between the fluctuating talent gaps in the Big Ten-SEC and the perennial gap between tOSU and other schools in the state of Ohio.


I realize that this will be a difficult concept for you to grasp, but one's choice of teams to root for has nothing to do with their knowledge of the game of football.  Just because I root for Ohio, and you Ohio A&M, doesn't mean that I have "0 clue" about football. 

Funny you didn't mention the Suckeyes' recent record against the SEC...


Ohio State is 9-2-1 against the SEC in regular season play.  Just thought I'd let you know.
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I should probably just let this die, but one more note on the Big 10 vs. SEC.  In my mind, the computer rankings are probably the most relevant source for comparing the two conferences given the infrequency with which they play.  If you take the Sagarin ratings, for instance, the difference is stark.  Here is a comparison of the number of top 30 teams in each conference over the last few years:

2006: SEC = 8, Big 10 = 4
2007: SEC = 7, Big 10 = 4 (with 2 more SEC teams at 31 and 32)
2008: SEC = 5, Big 10 = 3
2009: SEC = 7, Big 10 = 4

Sure games at Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State can be tough.  But in the SEC you face nearly twice as many comparably difficult games as you do in the Big 10.  It has just simply been a deeper, better conference for a while now.


The SEC is well known for loading up on cupcakes,, even more then the Big Ten does.  It's rare to see SEC teams traveling around the country to play games, computer rankings do jack shit in terms of taking this into account.  Sorry you aren't going to convince us that polls mean more then results on the field.


There is a nearly identical amount of players per school in the NFL from the Big Ten and SEC.  Your perception about talent is IMAGINED.
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Your Name,

Childish sarcasm and antagonistic behavior is a rung down from anger IMHO.  At least the anger is bourn of passion for a program that most Ohio fan's on this board support with ALL their heart.

P2P,

As was pointed out earlier, you're absolutely right; Ohio is not a rival of Ohio A&M.  Honestly this is something I take pride in.  You root for a corporation...We root for a college.  Your "team" exemplifies what's wrong with big time college athletics.  $70 per ticket and $15 to park is an absolute embarrassment.  Your fan base is a joke and your trolling here only proves the point.  The fact that you even use the word obnoxious when describing any other fan base is laughable.

I for one was elated to hear that Nebraska was joining the Big 10.  Your team rolls through a weak conference year in and year out...wins (maybe) one big game and waltzes into a BCS game.  Now that Nebraska is involved (adding a smidge of validity to the conference) and bringing a conference championship game, the hackneyed excuses about the layoff between conference play and Bowl Game will no longer fly.  You can only thrive off of Media driven hype for so long.  Those days are quickly coming to an end and I for one am grateful for the front row seat.

OzCat,

Turns out you were right...Tressel does define class after all...Going for it on 4th down from the 1 when you're up 36 - 0 in the waning minutes of the 3rd quarter reeks of class...I'm embarrassed I've been missing the boat all this time.



I take it you hope Ohio University does not improve the football program enough to substantially increase the fan base? If not, you are being naive if you believe the Ohio University AD will not increase all prices to whatever number maximizes profit. The only reason the prices are currently low is to maximize profit. Ohio University can't make money if no one buys tickets, so consultants submit reports that demonstrate the most profitable price/purchase ratio. 

So, as I understand it, many Ohio University fans complain about the small size of the overall fan support, but at the same time, brag about the small size of the fan base.

This only increases confidence in my hypothesis that if the fan base were to grow substantially, many of the current hardcore fans would jump off the wagon. The "I only listen to obscure rock bands" group will move on. For many, part of the fun of being a Bobcat fan is being different and the exclusivity.


Not even close to what I'm saying...

Obviously the reason you can purchase Ohio Season tickets for $99 is Supply / Demand.  I'm not comparing A&M's practice to OUrs...That's clearly apples and oranges.  My point is that A&M routinely sports the most expensive ticket in college football and then rapes their fans for parking on top of it.

For the sake of argument let's assume that the Ohio A&M v Ohio game can be compared to either Alabama v San Jose State or Florida v Miami (OH)...

Ohio A&M v Ohio = $70
Alabama v SJS = $55
Florida v Miami (OH) = $45

Without going into the differences between season ticket prices, when you calculate the single game ticket differences out for 110,000 tickets, A&M walks away with anywhere between  1.65M and 2.75M more per game and between 13.2M and 22M per season.  And that's not even touching on the fact that they get you for $15 per car up to 2 miles away from the stadium.

Like I said...Embarrassing...

And for the record...My support of Ohio Football (and the University in general) doesn't come out of a need to be different...It comes out of a life long emotional tie I have to the University.  The irony of that accusation though, rings especially loud when one steps back and realizes that a significant subset of the people that wear the red and pewter do so because it's an easy way to gain acceptance by a large population for 4 months every Autumn.
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Your Name,

Childish sarcasm and antagonistic behavior is a rung down from anger IMHO.  At least the anger is bourn of passion for a program that most Ohio fan's on this board support with ALL their heart.

P2P,

As was pointed out earlier, you're absolutely right; Ohio is not a rival of Ohio A&M.  Honestly this is something I take pride in.  You root for a corporation...We root for a college.  Your "team" exemplifies what's wrong with big time college athletics.  $70 per ticket and $15 to park is an absolute embarrassment.  Your fan base is a joke and your trolling here only proves the point.  The fact that you even use the word obnoxious when describing any other fan base is laughable.

I for one was elated to hear that Nebraska was joining the Big 10.  Your team rolls through a weak conference year in and year out...wins (maybe) one big game and waltzes into a BCS game.  Now that Nebraska is involved (adding a smidge of validity to the conference) and bringing a conference championship game, the hackneyed excuses about the layoff between conference play and Bowl Game will no longer fly.  You can only thrive off of Media driven hype for so long.  Those days are quickly coming to an end and I for one am grateful for the front row seat.

OzCat,

Turns out you were right...Tressel does define class after all...Going for it on 4th down from the 1 when you're up 36 - 0 in the waning minutes of the 3rd quarter reeks of class...I'm embarrassed I've been missing the boat all this time.



I take it you hope Ohio University does not improve the football program enough to substantially increase the fan base? If not, you are being naive if you believe the Ohio University AD will not increase all prices to whatever number maximizes profit. The only reason the prices are currently low is to maximize profit. Ohio University can't make money if no one buys tickets, so consultants submit reports that demonstrate the most profitable price/purchase ratio. 

So, as I understand it, many Ohio University fans complain about the small size of the overall fan support, but at the same time, brag about the small size of the fan base.

This only increases confidence in my hypothesis that if the fan base were to grow substantially, many of the current hardcore fans would jump off the wagon. The "I only listen to obscure rock bands" group will move on. For many, part of the fun of being a Bobcat fan is being different and the exclusivity.


Not even close to what I'm saying...

Obviously the reason you can purchase Ohio Season tickets for $99 is Supply / Demand.  I'm not comparing A&M's practice to OUrs...That's clearly apples and oranges.  My point is that A&M routinely sports the most expensive ticket in college football and then rapes their fans for parking on top of it.

For the sake of argument let's assume that the Ohio A&M v Ohio game can be compared to either Alabama v San Jose State or Florida v Miami (OH)...

Ohio A&M v Ohio = $70
Alabama v SJS = $55
Florida v Miami (OH) = $45

Without going into the differences between season ticket prices, when you calculate the single game ticket differences out for 110,000 tickets, A&M walks away with anywhere between  1.65M and 2.75M more per game and between 13.2M and 22M per season.  And that's not even touching on the fact that they get you for $15 per car up to 2 miles away from the stadium.

Like I said...Embarrassing...

And for the record...My support of Ohio Football (and the University in general) doesn't come out of a need to be different...It comes out of a life long emotional tie I have to the University.  The irony of that accusation though, rings especially loud when one steps back and realizes that a significant subset of the people that wear the red and pewter do so because it's an easy way to gain acceptance by a large population for 4 months every Autumn.


Yet you leave out others.  Let's look at University of Texas:
Sept. 4 at Rice (Houston): $75
Sept. 11 vs. Wyoming (Austin): $70
Sept. 18 at Texas Tech (Lubbock): $98
Sept. 25 vs. UCLA (Austin): $80
Oct. 2 vs. Oklahoma (Dallas): $110
Oct. 16 at Nebraska (Lincoln): $85
Oct. 23 vs. Iowa State (Austin): $75
Oct. 30 vs. Baylor (Austin): $75
Nov. 6 at Kansas State (Manhattan, Kan.): $75
Nov. 13 vs. Oklahoma State (Austin): $85
Nov. 20 vs. Florida Atlantic (Austin): $70
Nov. 25 vs. Texas A&M (Austin): $100

Not only do their prices vary, but each one is the same or more expensive than Ohio State Tickets regardless if we play Miami last week or American Western University this past weekend.

Tennessee, although cheaper than Ohio State, still charges a high amount.  Oregon is higher than Ohio State.

Basically, if you have a football program known for being good, you're going to be paying a premium.  Hell in 2008, in order to buy Season tickets for the University of Georgia, it would cost you $10,651 just for the tickets.

I think if you look a little deeper, you'll realize Ohio State's tickets aren't as expensive when compared to other programs.

Regarding the parking fees, it's only for on campus stadium parking that costs $15.  Regarding your 2 mile comment.....I live 2 miles away from the 'Shoe.  I've never had to pay for parking.  (oh and no one charges for parking 2 miles away from the stadium - lots of people park for free)
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Texas is the worst you can find no argument...But all you have to do is browse randomly to find that A&M is consistantly at the top...

LSU
Mississippi State - $50
West Virginia - $50
Tennessee - $50
McNeese State - $40
Alabama - $70
UL-Monroe - $40
Ole Miss - $50

Nebraska

 

 Opponent Date 
Price
 Western Kentucky  Saturday, Sept. 4  $55
 Idaho  Saturday Sept. 11  $55
 South Dakota State  Saturday, Sept. 25  $55
 Texas  Saturday, Oct. 16  $85
 Missouri  Saturday, Oct. 30  $65
 Kansas  Saturday, Nov. 13  $65
 Colorado  Nov. 26 or 27  $65
Last Edited: 9/20/2010 4:21:10 PM by Bobcat36
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Bobcat36 wrote:expand_more
Texas is the worst you can find no argument...But all you have to do is browse randomly to find that A&M is consistantly at the top...

LSU
Mississippi State - $50
West Virginia - $50
Tennessee - $50
McNeese State - $40
Alabama - $70
UL-Monroe - $40
Ole Miss - $50

Nebraska

 

 Opponent Date 
Price
 Western Kentucky  Saturday, Sept. 4  $55
 Idaho  Saturday Sept. 11  $55
 South Dakota State  Saturday, Sept. 25  $55
 Texas  Saturday, Oct. 16  $85
 Missouri  Saturday, Oct. 30  $65
 Kansas  Saturday, Nov. 13  $65
 Colorado  Nov. 26 or 27  $65

I don't disagree that Ohio State prices are high....but as stated, it's all about supply and demand.  Despite what one may think, academic institutions (Both Ohio State and American Western University) are businesses first and foremost.  They're jobs are to make profit.  Do they decide to re-invest the profit back into the people who gave them that profit?  Sometimes.  However at the same time, the Athletic Departments are the ones responsible for the pricing.  And in the case of Ohio State, they do return the profits by investing them in non cost-effective sports (volleyball, crew, etc.)
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Your Name,

Childish sarcasm and antagonistic behavior is a rung down from anger IMHO.  At least the anger is bourn of passion for a program that most Ohio fan's on this board support with ALL their heart.

P2P,

As was pointed out earlier, you're absolutely right; Ohio is not a rival of Ohio A&M.  Honestly this is something I take pride in.  You root for a corporation...We root for a college.  Your "team" exemplifies what's wrong with big time college athletics.  $70 per ticket and $15 to park is an absolute embarrassment.  Your fan base is a joke and your trolling here only proves the point.  The fact that you even use the word obnoxious when describing any other fan base is laughable.

I for one was elated to hear that Nebraska was joining the Big 10.  Your team rolls through a weak conference year in and year out...wins (maybe) one big game and waltzes into a BCS game.  Now that Nebraska is involved (adding a smidge of validity to the conference) and bringing a conference championship game, the hackneyed excuses about the layoff between conference play and Bowl Game will no longer fly.  You can only thrive off of Media driven hype for so long.  Those days are quickly coming to an end and I for one am grateful for the front row seat.

OzCat,

Turns out you were right...Tressel does define class after all...Going for it on 4th down from the 1 when you're up 36 - 0 in the waning minutes of the 3rd quarter reeks of class...I'm embarrassed I've been missing the boat all this time.



I take it you hope Ohio University does not improve the football program enough to substantially increase the fan base? If not, you are being naive if you believe the Ohio University AD will not increase all prices to whatever number maximizes profit. The only reason the prices are currently low is to maximize profit. Ohio University can't make money if no one buys tickets, so consultants submit reports that demonstrate the most profitable price/purchase ratio. 

So, as I understand it, many Ohio University fans complain about the small size of the overall fan support, but at the same time, brag about the small size of the fan base.

This only increases confidence in my hypothesis that if the fan base were to grow substantially, many of the current hardcore fans would jump off the wagon. The "I only listen to obscure rock bands" group will move on. For many, part of the fun of being a Bobcat fan is being different and the exclusivity.


Not even close to what I'm saying...

Obviously the reason you can purchase Ohio Season tickets for $99 is Supply / Demand.  I'm not comparing A&M's practice to OUrs...That's clearly apples and oranges.  My point is that A&M routinely sports the most expensive ticket in college football and then rapes their fans for parking on top of it.

For the sake of argument let's assume that the Ohio A&M v Ohio game can be compared to either Alabama v San Jose State or Florida v Miami (OH)...

Ohio A&M v Ohio = $70
Alabama v SJS = $55
Florida v Miami (OH) = $45

Without going into the differences between season ticket prices, when you calculate the single game ticket differences out for 110,000 tickets, A&M walks away with anywhere between  1.65M and 2.75M more per game and between 13.2M and 22M per season.  And that's not even touching on the fact that they get you for $15 per car up to 2 miles away from the stadium.

Like I said...Embarrassing...

And for the record...My support of Ohio Football (and the University in general) doesn't come out of a need to be different...It comes out of a life long emotional tie I have to the University.  The irony of that accusation though, rings especially loud when one steps back and realizes that a significant subset of the people that wear the red and pewter do so because it's an easy way to gain acceptance by a large population for 4 months every Autumn.




It isn't rape when both parties are willing participants.

I like laissez-faire economics,  so it makes sense that I see no problems with the prices.

If OSU fans stop buying tickets and/or start taking public transportation to the games, the prices will go down. However, as long as scalpers are making face value or more back on tickets (sometimes $400-$500) during 99% of the games, it's hard to argue that the school is raping its fans.

Anyway, most sports allegiances among people I know were developed in childhood and typically came from parents or other family members. That would not appear to be directly influenced by a large fan base of strangers. Plus, if acceptance is the core, an OSU fan would never move away from Ohio. Meanwhile, I know many waiving the banner in some obscure places around the globe.
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I posted this a month or so ago on Green & White, etc.  Seems appropriate to bring it to this topic:

Seems each season Ohio's ticket pricing generates debate.  Prices are too high, too low, too varied...

A couple weeks ago while in Oregon I picked up the Sunday Oregonian.  The paper had conducted a survey by asking schools in the ACC, Big East, Big 10, Pac-10, SEC and Notre Dame to report their prices. 

The most expensive conference? The Big Ten.

The least expensive? The Pac-10. 

Within the Pac-10 the most expensive tickets are, no surprise, at USC.  Prices there range from $19 for the lowest-price single-game ticket for a low demand game to $85 for the least expensive ticket to a high-demand game.  At Arizona the range is $12-$35.  At Stanford it's $12-$40. 

For the entire Pac-10 the average price for a single-game ticket to a high demand game is $61.90. 

At Colorado, soon to join the Pac-10, the price for a single-game ticket to a high demand game is $50.  For a Buffaloes low demand game the least expensive ticket is $30. 

 

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