If that is the standard for a rivalry then Ohio State shouldn't be considered Michigan's rival, because most Michigan fans care as much or more about beating Notre Dame and Michigan State than Ohio State, and really don't think about the school down south much except during the week they play.

I also find it incredibly amusing that fans of a school that considers itself a legitimate national championship contender when its team would be lucky to finish 6-2 in the SEC, are calling us delusional. 

The goods news is that you're off of the schedule and I'll root for Wisconsin when they beat your arse.

Ohio vs. Ohio State isn't a rivalry, it's oppression. They've stolen OUr name with callus disregard. They quell OUr aspirations with condescension. (Oh well how many national championships do you have?,  Oh we'll you couldn't get in here if you tried)

I completely understand why some up north (and unfortunately  some of OUr own) look at the Bobcat faithful as peons. We've had virtually no national success on the football field over the over the last 200 years, small schools national championship aside. The only time you hear about OHIO is for drinking. From the outside it would be easy to look at OHIO in this way, "Well if all they do is drink, they probably don't study. If they don't study and they still graduate it must be a bad school. Why would I want to go to a bad school if they aren't even good at sports?"  

Ohio State stands in OUr way. They keep us from OUr pursuit of happiness. I look at this "rivalry" like the French Revolution. The aristocrats weren't threatened by the poor, you could hardly call it a rivalry. However the poor (with some outside help) worked for nothing less than the removal of the longstanding privileges of the upper class. I'm not promising an upheaval of football and academic order in the state off Ohio, I'm stating that this CAN be a one way rivalry for lack of a better word, depending on who you ask.

I hate Ohio State. I would venture to say that I hate Ohio State more than most Buckeye alumn's hate Michigan. My hate has a purpose. I want OUr name back. I want to get rid of Script Ohio. I dream of the day we are viewed as equals to Ohio State.

What does Ohio State stand to win in victories against Michigan in non-national championship years? Just one win for OU  over OSU in football can do so much. Ohio is so far down the totem poll right now that a win against Ohio State in women's field hockey would be a moral booster for the die-hards at OHIO. I know I'm on the extreme end but I look at competing with Ohio State as a 365 day battle. From the classroom to the field I want to be better.

ROFL, this is the type of pathetic shit that drives people to be annoyed by your fan base.  You have 0 clue about football and turn around the minute you get your ass beat and talk about what OTHER teams that you don't even root for would supposidly do to ours. What the hell does the SEC have to do with this conversation?  Need I mention the fact that the Big Ten and SEC are dead even in bowl games the past decade?  There's quite a large difference between the fluctuating talent gaps in the Big Ten-SEC and the perennial gap between tOSU and other schools in the state of Ohio.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.  I have been to Ohio State m*ch*g*n games both home and away and a m*ch*g*n/nd game and the noise in *nn *rbor is not even close when nd is the opponent.  I was also friends with many m*ch*g*n alums in my frat and from being in The OSUMB and they all feel different than you.

I can understand why OSU sheep don't want to hear about it, but facts are facts.  Ohio State cannot beat the SEC, and wouldn't be nearly as successful if it had to compete against SEC-level talent week in and week out.  I live in SEC country, and see the different in talent and speed week in and week out during the fall.  There is a reason the conference has won 4 straight BCS championships.  Football is simply a different beast in the SEC.

Flomo, I finally caught that you went to Michigan. I now see why you hate Ohio State so much. I suppose I would carry just as much anger as you if the roles were reversed (ie my graduate school getting pummeled in football the past decade by your graduate school).

"Yawn." - signed Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin (Ohio State's yearly competitors) who have handled the SEC in bowl games. The Big Ten and SEC are tied in bowl games over the last 10 years. OSU has none of the wins, so the Big Ten wins have come from OSU's yearly competitors. Thus, OSU racks up those winning records against teams handling their own against the SEC equal.

Seems like obvious inferority complex.  We don't stand in your way of doing anything..

In terms of "stealing your name"  you guys are named after a state bro, it's not like it's some original or valuable name that you came up with.  If you want to be jerks about it you guys are OHIO UNIVERSITY, not OHIO, don't see where one school gets to claim the name of an entire state over another.

I've literally never met an Ohio State fan who would say that the game means as much to Michigan fans as OSU fans.

A couple points.  First of all, I'm talking about the last 4-5 years, not a decade ago.  I don't have time to pull the numbers, but I suspect the totals would be different if I did.  Second, you also have to consider whether like teams are being paired in the games.  The #2 Big Ten team beating the #4 SEC team, for instance, isn't quite as impressive as the second ranked teams in both conferences duking it out. 

I'd also be curious to see regular season results as well, such as Alabama-Penn State last week. 

Wow.  Bitter much?  What the hell is your problem?  Go ahead and jump of the cliff and leave us Ohio Bobcat fans alone.

A couple points.  First of all, I'm talking about the last 4-5 years, not a decade ago.  I don't have time to pull the numbers, but I suspect the totals would be different if I did.  Second, you also have to consider whether like teams are being paired in the games.  The #2 Big Ten team beating the #4 SEC team, for instance, isn't quite as impressive as the second ranked teams in both conferences duking it out. 

I'd also be curious to see regular season results as well, such as Alabama-Penn State last week. 

Thanks Mo Jo, I stand corrected about the recent history.  I do believe that there is a difference between playing a single bowl game 6 weeks after the season, and playing an 8-game conference schedule on a weekly basis.  The depth of a conference shows through much more in the latter than the former.  For instance, this week the SEC has 4 of the top 14, and 6 of the top 17 teams in the coaches' poll.  Not a perfect measure to be sure, but the Big 10 only has 2 in the top 17 (with Iowa 18th).  So while the top of the Big 10 and SEC may match up, I think that the SEC is quite a bit deeper most seasons, which makes it a more difficult conference in a way that head-to-head bowl wins doesn't account for.