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Alan Swank
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Posted: 9/18/2010 6:05 PM
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$850,000 is a great deal of money that, should we win the games that we should win the rest of the season, help pay for a bowl trip and maybe even the fine that parking services levied when they booted the equipment truck on Thursday (we can save that story for another post).  After watching the game and then bits and pieces in the replay mode, I'm sure there are many folks asking that very question.  On the positive side, the initiatives to encourage OU shirts paid dividends in that I only saw three OSU shirts on folks on Court Street when I drove that way at the start of the second half.
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Not sure what you mean by this question. I would venture to say that a very significant majority if not 100 percent of non AQ teams play at least one "money" game a year. It's not like we did something extraordinary by taking this pay check. Fact is we just made too many mistakes today to be competitive. We wouldn't have beaten very many teams playing the way we did with penalties and turnovers. Also, I believe this is a series that Schaus is looking to extend in the future (could be wrong about that though and if so I apologize ahead of time).
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some thoughts:

- yes it was worth the money. only because we got paid a whole lot less to lose just as embarrassingly last week. at least this time it was against the #2 team in the country and not a MAC bottom feeder.

- before the season I thought we had the next Young and Montana at QB,  after 3 games they look more like a young Hannah Montana.

- you can't beat Athens High School when you turn it over 5 times.

- we might go into E Michigan in 2 weeks with only 1 more win than them. Huntington is going to be rough.

- despite the score I thought our D played well. Especially in the 2nd half when the bucks kept their first string in, and also considering they were on the field for 38 minutes.

- V. Davidson carrying it for 1 yard on 1st down, V Davidson carrying it for 1 yard on 2nd down, P Bates running a keeper on 3rd and 8 for no gain is not a game plan, no matter how many times you try it.

- Our drives in the 2nd and 3rd quarters were- Fumble, Fumble, Punt, Downs, Half, Fumble, Interception, Safety

- I hate the white on white unis, they look like a practice squad. always wear the green pants with the white jerseys.

- thankfully little Posey didn't burn big Posey for a big play. That 97 yd kick return sure would have been nice.



 
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Absolutely. The five turnovers were bad, but not just that, special teams gets the punt block, instantly fumble it back over. Defense makes stop at the 1 and get stuffed in end zone for a safety. That is the stuff that worries me going forward.

Defense, don't get me wrong they had plenty of mistakes today , but they could easily take the attitude of what difference does it make, offense is just going to give it away.

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Alan, did you ask the same question two years ago when we played a great game?  We laid a big freaking turd today granted, but we need to play these games in order to recruit.  Despite the very poor performance, it was a great opportunity for our players to have a memorable experience and I thought that was part of what college is about.
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Posted: 9/18/2010 7:27 PM
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I would think that very few people are asking themselves that question. If we don't play that game are you going to contribute the $850,000?
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Posted: 9/18/2010 7:40 PM
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This was an exciting day for Ohio fans. I saw lots of green & white at the game today, It was a rough performance for the team, but watching the band and playing against the #2 team in country was good to see.    
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Short term maybe, although I cant put a price on our dignity. COMPLETE embarrassment today. We cant be this bad. Big picture, long term, we lost a lot more than 850k. With a solid performance i believe this game had the potential to shut up, recruit and possibly sway votes and futire contributions of some of the the suckeye "fans" on our campus to be bobcat fans for life. At least we would be taken seriously. Instead with a blowout we just add more fuel to their fire that we don't play "premier college football". Think of all the potential revenue we lost from many of these unconverted football fans who now consider us a laughing stock more than ever. Lets stick to the mid-bottom tier Big 10 teams and get 2-1 home deals please.
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We defiantly have issues with the offense and hopefully can fix the turnovers ASAP.  The defense could be good if they did not have to play on the field all game.  This year’s OSU team is a exceptional.  Their next challenge could be vs. Alabama in the Arizona.   

 Granted the team laid an egg today.  It happens and this is already not OSU’s biggest victory of the season.  There will be other Big Ten teams this season that lose by a bigger margin.   

 Was it worth it?  Is this a serious question? 

National TV exposure- (even with the blow out – still very valuable)

Sport Center Exposure All Day long

$850,000 for the budget

Well over 6K dressed in Green today

Very possibly played a regular season game vs. the future National Champions = great memories and experience for the team. 

 

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Short term maybe, although I cant put a price on our dignity. COMPLETE embarrassment today. We cant be this bad. Big picture, long term, we lost a lot more than 850k. With a solid performance i believe this game had the potential to shut up, recruit and possibly sway votes and futire contributions of some of the the suckeye "fans" on our campus to be bobcat fans for life. At least we would be taken seriously. Instead with a blowout we just add more fuel to their fire that we don't play "premier college football". Think of all the potential revenue we lost from many of these unconverted football fans who now consider us a laughing stock more than ever. Lets stick to the mid-bottom tier Big 10 teams and get 2-1 home deals please.


We played a horrible game vs. possibly the nation’s best team.  However, you need to watch more college football.  Marshall suffered a worse fate then us then almost beat WVU the following week.  Bad loses happen in college football every week.  Any form of National TV is good.  Checkout the recruiting page...may be our best class yet. 

 

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Every time we can, Alan.  For the reasons above:  OUr guys deserve top flight competition, a greath throng in Green and White.  And, while today was a stinker, we've played plenty well on that field on other occasions.

I was..still am...shocked/angered by last week against Toledo.  Having seen today, I think we can still have a good season.  The D is solid, though we need better pass rush.  The O-line will develop.

Dream rest of season:  MAC East champ, playing MAC title game against Toledo and bowl game against the buckeyes.
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Posted: 9/19/2010 9:10 AM
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Every time we can, Alan. For the reasons above: OUr guys deserve top flight competition, a greath throng in Green and White. And, while today was a stinker, we've played plenty well on that field on other occasions.

I was..still am...shocked/angered by last week against Toledo. Having seen today, I think we can still have a good season. The D is solid, though we need better pass rush. The O-line will develop.

Dream rest of season: MAC East champ, playing MAC title game against Toledo and bowl game against the buckeyes.
Good perspective. Looking at all the games, I still would rather be an Ohio fan than a fan of _________. Fill in the blank, lots of teams took it on the chin today, and most not from an oponent like OSU. I am not embarrassed. Now if the coaches had done lots of the things some fans are saying they should have and the score became a recordbook loss.....
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Dream rest of season:  MAC East champ, playing MAC title game against Toledo and bowl game against the buckeyes.


There is a reason they call them dreams, Monroe. None of those things are going to occur this season. We already have a conference loss. Fiami looks like they are back. Temple beat UCONN (overrated this year but a good win for Temple). Unless those two teams meltdown, we will not be playing at Ford Field this year.
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Short term maybe, although I cant put a price on our dignity. COMPLETE embarrassment today. We cant be this bad. Big picture, long term, we lost a lot more than 850k. With a solid performance i believe this game had the potential to shut up, recruit and possibly sway votes and futire contributions of some of the the suckeye "fans" on our campus to be bobcat fans for life. At least we would be taken seriously. Instead with a blowout we just add more fuel to their fire that we don't play "premier college football". Think of all the potential revenue we lost from many of these unconverted football fans who now consider us a laughing stock more than ever. Lets stick to the mid-bottom tier Big 10 teams and get 2-1 home deals please.


We played a horrible game vs. possibly the nation’s best team.  However, you need to watch more college football.  Marshall suffered a worse fate then us then almost beat WVU the following week.  Bad loses happen in college football every week.  Any form of National TV is good.  Checkout the recruiting page...may be our best class yet. 

 




I watch plenty of college football.... I saw Miami goto Florida and play decently. I saw Utah State go to Oklahoma and hold their own. I saw Idaho play ok at Nebraska. I saw Rice hang tough at Texas. Just to name a few. I'm not sure if Rice faces the same issues as us where students wear Texas colors around campus, but this game had the potential to make a difference in our future fanbase. I guess it was a true reality check.

if you think any Ohio players who saw time on Saturday are going to take away "great memories" from a embarrassment on national tv and the title "Buckeye Beatdown" on Sportscenter you are mistaken. These players will hear about this game from fellow students, and friends for a long time. We went there to win, not for an experience.
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This is a great question.  I was at the game Saturday wearing my green and white and came out asking myself the same question over and over.  My son...not an OU grad says you definitely take the money and go play another day.  I think I disagree.

Personally, I'd rather take half the money from a big ten team we could beat.  At least this year, i think Ball St and NIU had it right.  They probably got pretty good paydays and have people saying, "hey, they played a good game against a big ten team".  In general, I don't hink any of us really think we are on the same planet in football as those top 10-15 national programs.  That shouldn't be our goal, realistically. 

So, yes, I think instead of a drubbing, I'd take half the money for a better showing.
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This 2010 OSU team will put up bigger numbers on several other Big Ten teams.  They are a unique program to college football.  Look at the numbers; they are the New York Yankees of the Big Ten over the past 50 years.   

 

This game was scheduled way in advance.  Ohio State will not always be a National Title contender and one of these years another in-state team is going to knock them off.  Minus two untimely TO’s and we may have got them in the midst of a four win season.  I hope we get more opportunities.  Someone is going to catch them at the right time.  The in state team that does will reap the rewards.  I want it to be Ohio.  In the meantime, lets take the 850K and keep building.  Frank and crew have done an AMAZING job with what was one of the nation’s worst D1 programs and one of the smallest budgets in the league.  Yet, the past FIVE years have been the most successful five of the past forty plus years. 
 

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Fiami looks like they are back. Temple beat UCONN (overrated this year but a good win for Temple). Unless those two teams meltdown, we will not be playing at Ford Field this year.


Or we just beat them both when we play them.
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I say take the money every year.  In fact, I wish our next game was @ Penn State for another $800K and another chance to play against the best.

Also wish our basketball team played about 4 "money" games every year as well.

For the cash and the opportunity to play the best.
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Posted: 9/20/2010 8:55 AM
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Yet, the past FIVE years have been the most successful five of the past forty plus years.  


DC, that would depend on how you define success.  If it's solely on record, your facts are a tad off.  In the time period you cite, we are a .500 ball club.  From 1996 - 2000, we were 31 and 25.  No MAC championships in that time period but none in the time frame you cite either.
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Personally, I'd rather take half the money from a big ten team we could beat. At least this year, i think Ball St and NIU had it right. They probably got pretty good paydays and have people saying, "hey, they played a good game against a big ten team". In general, I don't hink any of us really think we are on the same planet in football as those top 10-15 national programs. That shouldn't be our goal, realistically.

So, yes, I think instead of a drubbing, I'd take half the money for a better showing.
There is no one in the Big Ten we would have beaten Saturday based on our performance. If we play like that against anyone in the Big Ten or the MAC for that matter, we probably lose. So I take the $800K.
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I thought this thread would be about the cost of attending the game.  We spent $1000 on tickets and then had lodging, tailgating, parking ($15 two miles away, ouch), dinner at Easton afterward and other associated costs.  It seemed like a good idea in July, but now it seems like a waste.  I hope I forget about the costs before the trip to Happy Valley.  That one will cost even more.  I seriously do not understand how folks in Columbus can justify spending as much money as they do to watch 7-8 games each year. 
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Yes...but Happy Valley is truly God's country. Columbus, is well....Columbus.
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I didn't say we WOULD have beaten Illinois ( although we have ) or Purdue this past Saturday.  I said we COULD beat them.  theosu, on the other hand,  has most always been a Top 25 caliber team during my lifetime and the odds of Ohio ever beating them given the resource differential and tradition involved are a lot less than the other two opponents I mentioned.  I seriously doubt theosu ever looses to an Ohio MAC team.  Maybe we should just ask for more money next time. 

I must agree with some other posters, the cost of going to this "event" is probably not worth the "experience" itself.  I've now been to ONE osu game and experinced it, I doubt I'll ever go back for another one.
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This was my 3rd and I'm finally going to have to agree.  I wouldn't trade any of those experiences but honestly C Deck is a miserable physical experience that time of year.  It truly feels like you're 5 feet from the sun.  It took EMS a good 15-20 minutes to get someone that had collapsed down to provide care in the shade.

I'm finally getting the fact that by attending these games I'm just feeding the monster.  I know some one else will still pay for the tickets that I don't buy but at last I'll know I'm no longer contributing directly...

Assuming this is ever scheduled again, we'll still tailgate to represent the Green & White but I'll never step into that stadium again unless it's below 70 degrees and the tickets are free...
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Yet, the past FIVE years have been the most successful five of the past forty plus years.  


DC, that would depend on how you define success.  If it's solely on record, your facts are a tad off.  In the time period you cite, we are a .500 ball club.  From 1996 - 2000, we were 31 and 25.  No MAC championships in that time period but none in the time frame you cite either.


The past five years have produced two bowl trips and two MAC East Titles.  Grobe never won a Division Title nor finish the regular season as a top two team.  I do not think the basketball team has come close to a regular season title since 1994.  Both MAC Tournament Titles were when we finished near the basement of the regular season.

The good news is the 850K can help pay for the lights and free ticket giveaways for the Baymont/Highlander Motel classic. 

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