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Posted: 9/18/2010 6:30 PM
Bump.

I'm not upset we lost, not even upset we got blown out. that OSU team is really really good. Our offense is a joke, and made a bad situation so much worse. plain and simple.
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Posted: 9/18/2010 7:30 PM
Did anybody notice how much the OSU ran out of the I?  I like a lead back more than that silly misdirection off tackle with no lead and a weak OL.  My disappointment is that...for whatever reasons, after 6 years this team does not of the linemen to compete (within the MAC or against #2).
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Posted: 9/18/2010 7:57 PM
You need coaches and quarterbacks who can work together and manage the game.  Take care of the football and get the ball in the hands of you play makers. 

The Marshall game is going to tell us a lot about where this team is heading for the season.  Sadly, Eastern Michigan will tell us even more.
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Posted: 9/18/2010 8:22 PM
great exchange by one and all here.   I know little about the abilities of our offensive players or the expertise of our coaches.   Sitting in a bar in Dublin and watching on TV, one thing seemed clear to me.   We didn't look prepared.  I'm not saying we didn't try or play hard.  We just looked like we didn't have a clue...  
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Posted: 9/18/2010 8:27 PM
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My disappointment is that...for whatever reasons, after 6 years this team does not of the linemen to compete (within the MAC or against #2).


+1.
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Posted: 9/19/2010 6:29 AM
The pistol has the potential to be a big play offense(look at Nevada).  But how much did we actually run the pistol?  We need some more imagination on the offensive side of the ball for sure.  Are we REALLY that scared to throw more than 5 yards?
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Posted: 9/19/2010 8:34 AM
I keep seeing posters laying out stats. Please remember a few points. Coach Solich is not one when given the chance to run up a score or pad stats. He is also not one when overmatched to allow the game to be lengthened or turned into a record book loss with serious damage control issues post game. We are now approaching the Marshall game with the team feeling at least on a par going in. Marshall deserves to be favored and a loss to them won't be the end of the world, but, I do feel we will se a different game entirely next week. JMHO.
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Posted: 9/19/2010 12:03 PM
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We are now approaching the Marshall game with the team feeling at least on a par going in. Marshall deserves to be favored and a loss to them won't be the end of the world, but, I do feel we will se a different game entirely next week. JMHO.


If this team feels like their on 'par' then we're in worse shape than I thought.  They should have beaten Wofford and Toledo and played better against State.  This is a subpar team as of now. In a lot of areas.
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Posted: 9/19/2010 12:35 PM
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We are now approaching the Marshall game with the team feeling at least on a par going in. Marshall deserves to be favored and a loss to them won't be the end of the world, but, I do feel we will se a different game entirely next week. JMHO.


If this team feels like their on 'par' then we're in worse shape than I thought. They should have beaten Wofford and Toledo and played better against State. This is a subpar team as of now. In a lot of areas.
Hooligan, sorry, this is still the team that lost to Marshall in last seasons bowl. They did beat Wofford, credit to Toledo (we don't know how good they might be), and our result against OSU was on a par with Marshall's. The Marshall game is the first chance to measure the team against a team with some comparables. I hesitate to get into "should have beaten" or "should have played better." Too much I don't know. You obviously know much more than I.
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Posted: 9/19/2010 2:45 PM
I actually think that despite the score and the stat sheet, Ohio took a step forward yesterday against Ohio State.  I think most of the offensive woes are not due to scheme.  For whatever reason, it's been hard for Ohio to keep OLs healthy and on-campus.  A team like Ohio can't just waltz down the field against this excellent OSU team when the Bobcats are playing three Sophomores and two Juniors on the OL.  Still and all though -- improve ball security yesterday (say 0 TOs instead of 5) and Ohio actually would have played OSU very close.

So you put all that together, I think Ohio has a shot to put together a good offense even later this season and definitely in the next two years.  Long-term though, the coaches need to figure out how to keep more OLs healthy and on the team, and how to put a QB on the field who's been in the system for multiple years.
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Posted: 9/19/2010 3:04 PM
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I actually think that despite the score and the stat sheet, Ohio took a step forward yesterday against Ohio State.  I think most of the offensive woes are not due to scheme.  For whatever reason, it's been hard for Ohio to keep OLs healthy and on-campus.  A team like Ohio can't just waltz down the field against this excellent OSU team when the Bobcats are playing three Sophomores and two Juniors on the OL.  Still and all though -- improve ball security yesterday (say 0 TOs instead of 5) and Ohio actually would have played OSU very close.


I would be interested to hear how you thought we took a step forward? They only 2 brightspots you could possibly take away were punting and Donovan Fletcher.
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Posted: 9/19/2010 6:47 PM
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I keep seeing posters laying out stats. Please remember a few points. Coach Solich is not one when given the chance to run up a score or pad stats. He is also not one when overmatched to allow the game to be lengthened or turned into a record book loss with serious damage control issues post game. We are now approaching the Marshall game with the team feeling at least on a par going in. Marshall deserves to be favored and a loss to them won't be the end of the world, but, I do feel we will se a different game entirely next week. JMHO.


Are you seriously implying that Ohio State was running up the score/padding stats yesterday? Did you miss the part where their 2nd string QB was in the game when it was 17-0. You are correct in that we were over matched yesterday in all facets, coaching included. Our team looked completely unprepared, was there even a viable game plan in place?
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Posted: 9/19/2010 8:59 PM
Didn't they take a timeout with about a minute to go in the first half with ball in their possession at around midfield?  They called off no dogs.
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Posted: 9/19/2010 9:11 PM
Boise State drove on Wyoming and kicked a field goal to end the 2nd quarter yesterday. Why didn't they call off the dogs, Monroe?
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Posted: 9/19/2010 9:14 PM
Putz, the issue is 'whether,' not 'why.'
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Posted: 9/19/2010 9:16 PM
Sweet deflection. You don't have a good answer for Boise "running up the score", do you?
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Posted: 9/19/2010 10:02 PM
The nature of college footbll today is to run up the score, keep up with thJones's and get the best bowl you can.  I don't think they let up until the 4th...then they allowed us a TD which I am sure they are ticked off about today!
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Posted: 9/20/2010 4:17 PM
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I would be interested to hear how you thought we took a step forward? They only 2 brightspots you could possibly take away were punting and Donovan Fletcher.

I thought the execution was better on offense.  The players looked like they knew the plays, to put it simply.  Also, the ball security problems were more the fixable kind (fumbles) rather than the systemic, worrisome kind (QBs who don't see the coverage).  Three false starts is still too many, but it's less than last week's four -- and in a hostile environment.

I'm not breaking out the champagne after a 43-7 beat down, but I feel better about the season this week than I did after last week.  It's a little like the UConn game last year, it was an unfortunate loss but I was still optimistic, because despite the scoreboard I thought Ohio looked better vs. 2008 in every phase of the game (that was not the majority viewpoint on bobcatattack.com as I recall).
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Posted: 9/20/2010 10:35 PM
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Sweet deflection. You don't have a good answer for Boise "running up the score", do you?


I'm gonna go ahead and say I don't really think OSU ran up the score. They played their entire roster, it was more us playing so poorly it appeared like they were.


As for Boise State, they have to run up the score. If they don't beat everyone in their conference by 20+ points people will say they don't deserve their ranking, and they will have no chance at the national title shot they are aiming for.
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Posted: 9/21/2010 3:27 AM
I will now state a correct opinion:

Putz--the original issue here..and only important issue here..is whether buckeyes did anything to run up the score.  If you wanna get into what Boise did, fine.  Gather your two friends and have an extended discussion.  Otherwise, you've apparently mistaken me--and this forum--as someone who gives a flick.

If we didn't have confidence in our O-line, why didn't we roll Bates out more?  Once we rolled him out to his left--so he had to throw against his body.  I'm thinkin' that was no help to us.
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Posted: 9/21/2010 10:24 AM
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My disappointment is that...for whatever reasons, after 6 years this team does not of the linemen to compete (within the MAC or against #2).


+1.


Spot on. Without a winning season in Athens this year Albin has got to go. The play calling has been abysmal going on 6 seasons and he's out of excuses. I would like to see Ohio promote Dixon from WR coach to Offensive Coordinator a position he held under Steve Spurrier. Ever since Dixon has come to Ohio the receiving game has improved 100%. He's got to be worth a shot at OC. Also then who is going to replace Frank in 3-4 years (figuring he'll put in an even 10) once he retires? I am not excited about the prospect of Albin or Burrow taking over this program.
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Posted: 9/21/2010 12:46 PM
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... Without a winning season in Athens this year Albin has got to go. ....

I'm not necessarily willing to go that far, because I'm not in a position to know the real cause for the problems. Is the problem poor play calling that allows the defenses to anticipate the play, and makes the execution look poor? Is the problem poorly conceived plays that have too much motion, and take too long to develop, giving defenses time to react? Is the problem poor offensive lines that prevent even well conceived plays from working?

Certainly we've seen the same kinds of problems year after year, and that is often an indicator that changes need to be made. I think that if the offense doesn't turn things around, changes probably do need to be made. What changes? I don't know, and its not my job to know. Certainly it seems to me that Albin, Gdokski (the other co-Offensive coordinator), and Lightner (offensive line) should get reviewed.  I'm not saying clean house; I'm just saying that a hard look should be taken at the job each of these has done, and decide what changes, if any, are needed.
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Posted: 9/21/2010 1:40 PM
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I keep seeing posters laying out stats. Please remember a few points. Coach Solich is not one when given the chance to run up a score or pad stats. He is also not one when overmatched to allow the game to be lengthened or turned into a record book loss with serious damage control issues post game. We are now approaching the Marshall game with the team feeling at least on a par going in. Marshall deserves to be favored and a loss to them won't be the end of the world, but, I do feel we will se a different game entirely next week. JMHO.


Are you seriously implying that Ohio State was running up the score/padding stats yesterday? Did you miss the part where their 2nd string QB was in the game when it was 17-0. You are correct in that we were over matched yesterday in all facets, coaching included. Our team looked completely unprepared, was there even a viable game plan in place?


There's no doubt Ohio looked completely unprepared but your insinuation that A&M wasn't running up the score is ludicrous.  Bauserman was in for all of a single series heading into the 2nd quarter.  When we fumbled on our own 30 Pryor was right back in so they could pad his stats.  Speaking of which...Those 2 pics were sweet justice bc they came about when he couldn't check his ego at the door and put his stats before the best interests of the team.

Denying running up the score is amusing to me considering the TO's from mid field in the closing seconds of the 1st half up 34-0 and the fact that they felt the need to go for it on 4th down from the 1 when they were up 36-0 at the end of the 3rd.  That series was served up to protect Pryor's fragile ego and to cover the spread...Letting him post a TD after his 2nd INT before allowing Bauserman back into the game.  Just Tressel showing his stripes...

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Posted: 9/21/2010 5:13 PM
Bobcat36 wrote:expand_more
I keep seeing posters laying out stats. Please remember a few points. Coach Solich is not one when given the chance to run up a score or pad stats. He is also not one when overmatched to allow the game to be lengthened or turned into a record book loss with serious damage control issues post game. We are now approaching the Marshall game with the team feeling at least on a par going in. Marshall deserves to be favored and a loss to them won't be the end of the world, but, I do feel we will se a different game entirely next week. JMHO.


Are you seriously implying that Ohio State was running up the score/padding stats yesterday? Did you miss the part where their 2nd string QB was in the game when it was 17-0. You are correct in that we were over matched yesterday in all facets, coaching included. Our team looked completely unprepared, was there even a viable game plan in place?


There's no doubt Ohio looked completely unprepared but your insinuation that A&M wasn't running up the score is ludicrous.  Bauserman was in for all of a single series heading into the 2nd quarter.  When we fumbled on our own 30 Pryor was right back in so they could pad his stats.  Speaking of which...Those 2 pics were sweet justice bc they came about when he couldn't check his ego at the door and put his stats before the best interests of the team.

Denying running up the score is amusing to me considering the TO's from mid field in the closing seconds of the 1st half up 34-0 and the fact that they felt the need to go for it on 4th down from the 1 when they were up 36-0 at the end of the 3rd.  That series was served up to protect Pryor's fragile ego and to cover the spread...Letting him post a TD after his 2nd INT before allowing Bauserman back into the game.  Just Tressel showing his stripes...

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Posted: 9/22/2010 6:26 AM
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I keep seeing posters laying out stats. Please remember a few points. Coach Solich is not one when given the chance to run up a score or pad stats. He is also not one when overmatched to allow the game to be lengthened or turned into a record book loss with serious damage control issues post game. We are now approaching the Marshall game with the team feeling at least on a par going in. Marshall deserves to be favored and a loss to them won't be the end of the world, but, I do feel we will se a different game entirely next week. JMHO.


Are you seriously implying that Ohio State was running up the score/padding stats yesterday? Did you miss the part where their 2nd string QB was in the game when it was 17-0. You are correct in that we were over matched yesterday in all facets, coaching included. Our team looked completely unprepared, was there even a viable game plan in place?
I am implying nothing about Ohio State. I am saying that stats don't always tell the story. Some coaches will start using the subs as soon as the game is in hand (pays dividends later) and some let there starters go for the glory. Using stats to compare is misleading. That is all.
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