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Posted: 10/6/2010 7:41 PM
This horse again?  So what if a cheerleader or cheerleaders knew?  Are they supposed to tattle?  This is absurd.

Also, let's not forget: OCF is a traitor.  Until he mails his diploma back to Columbus, he's not much better than Bobcat apostates.
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Posted: 10/7/2010 9:32 AM
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Are they supposed to tattle? 


Yes. And if she doesn't, then she becomes a party to the incident. If there is question by the "powers that be" who within the cheer squad did or did not know about the incident, than it seems reasonable to suspend the squad from the next game.

How is this over-the-top?
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Posted: 10/7/2010 9:46 AM
While we are at it, let's just get rid of cheerleading for the rest of the year for their part.  The crowd starts the cheers anyway.  Plus, a few of us could run to the endzone everytime OU scores to do the pushups.  If I am picked, I am really rooting for defense though.  I think I could cover a 7-3 game. 
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Posted: 10/7/2010 10:18 AM
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Are they supposed to tattle? 


Yes. And if she doesn't, then she becomes a party to the incident. If there is question by the "powers that be" who within the cheer squad did or did not know about the incident, than it seems reasonable to suspend the squad from the next game.

How is this over-the-top?


"If I don't find out who drew this picture on the blackboard, NOBODY gets recess today!"

Yeah, that seems an appropriate reaction to me.  What's the problem here?
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Posted: 10/7/2010 10:19 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
Are they supposed to tattle? 


Yes. And if she doesn't, then she becomes a party to the incident. If there is question by the "powers that be" who within the cheer squad did or did not know about the incident, than it seems reasonable to suspend the squad from the next game.

How is this over-the-top?


Foreknowledge by the cheerleaders or not, this is ultimately a question of supervision. Clearly, that particular buck stops with McDavis. Time for him to be sacked.
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Posted: 10/7/2010 11:36 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
Are they supposed to tattle? 


Yes. And if she doesn't, then she becomes a party to the incident. If there is question by the "powers that be" who within the cheer squad did or did not know about the incident, than it seems reasonable to suspend the squad from the next game.

How is this over-the-top?


They got suspended from two.  How many is appropriate?  Maybe that cheerleader didn't think the kid would go through with it.

And maybe... and I'm just spitballing here... the cheerleaders have about 80 things more important on their mind than telling someone about some weird plot to attack the opposing mascot.
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Posted: 10/7/2010 11:48 AM
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And maybe... and I'm just spitballing here... the cheerleaders have about 80 things more important on their mind than telling someone about some weird plot to attack the opposing mascot.


With all due respect to our fine cheerleading men and women, what are some of the more important issues they are thinking about prior to a game?  I don't think they are using a lot of focus going over the lines to the "OU - Oh Yeah!" cheer. 

Ultimately, one of the cheerleaders that knew about the plan ahead of time should have realized that the administration would want to be informed.  That doesn't mean that I think the punishment fit the crime, or that the incident itself was anywhere near as serious as some here, but I also don't think it is unreasonable to expect that a representative of the university - like a cheerleader - with prior knowledgle of the situation would notify someone in a position of authority before the incident occurred.
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Posted: 10/7/2010 11:51 AM
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And maybe... and I'm just spitballing here... the cheerleaders have about 80 things more important on their mind than telling someone about some weird plot to attack the opposing mascot.


With all due respect to our fine cheerleading men and women, what are some of the more important issues they are thinking about prior to a game?  I don't think they are using a lot of focus going over the lines to the "OU - Oh Yeah!" cheer. 

Ultimately, one of the cheerleaders that knew about the plan ahead of time should have realized that the administration would want to be informed.  That doesn't mean that I think the punishment fit the crime, or that the incident itself was anywhere near as serious as some here, but I also don't think it is unreasonable to expect that a representative of the university - like a cheerleader - with prior knowledgle of the situation would notify someone in a position of authority before the incident occurred.


Flo, are you arguing with a guy who has shown his sportsmanship by being ejected from basketball games for his conduct?  He has already proven his moral compass is off, and his actions speak volumes towards his opinions to this.
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Posted: 10/7/2010 12:46 PM
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Posted: 10/7/2010 1:00 PM
I have a question here. If a cheerleader "knew about the attack", what did they know? Did they expect a fun fight, like the red hanky and wrestling with the Buffalo bull?  Or were the expecting an unprovoked assault, complete with a fist below the belt? To be perfectly honest, I would expect that if a cheerleader knew about the attack, they probably expected something similar to what they had seen in the past, something that never amounted to more than normal mascot fun, and I seriously doubt they expected anything like what actually happened. Obviously they wouldn't have reported something they thought would be a normal mascot fight, even if they "knew" about it.

Personally, I think that the only reason that the cheerleaders got suspended is that the University needed a visible scapegoat, and the cheerleaders were handy and visible. I'm sure that the less-visible person from the marketing department that actually was in charge of the mascot, and who allowed a non-student to be Rufus, was punished as well. 

Had the powers that be wanted to, yes, the boy that was Rufus could have been criminally charged with assault. All the elements of that crime were there, but they have elected not to, apparently. Had the person inside the Brutus costume been injured, I suspect a criminal prosecution might have happened, and should have - after all, he was the real guilty person, not someone that might have been vaguely aware of what he was planning.

It's over and done with, though. Time to focus on beating BG.
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Posted: 10/7/2010 1:06 PM
Hey Brutus.....wear a cup.....like L.C. said......nothing to see here.....move on.
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Posted: 10/7/2010 3:21 PM
Flomo-genized wrote:expand_more
And maybe... and I'm just spitballing here... the cheerleaders have about 80 things more important on their mind than telling someone about some weird plot to attack the opposing mascot.


With all due respect to our fine cheerleading men and women, what are some of the more important issues they are thinking about prior to a game?  I don't think they are using a lot of focus going over the lines to the "OU - Oh Yeah!" cheer. 

Ultimately, one of the cheerleaders that knew about the plan ahead of time should have realized that the administration would want to be informed.  That doesn't mean that I think the punishment fit the crime, or that the incident itself was anywhere near as serious as some here, but I also don't think it is unreasonable to expect that a representative of the university - like a cheerleader - with prior knowledgle of the situation would notify someone in a position of authority before the incident occurred.


As student athletes there's any number of things they could be thinking about - from game prep (yes we actually do game prep), to "I hope that psychology test on monday isn't going to be as hard as I think it is."

Cheerleaders are not allowed to start the 'OU - OH Yeah!' cheer, since 'OU' isn't trademarked by our fine institution.
In fact, the 'Oh Yeah' response was started by the cheerleaders because we felt we should say..something.

Further more, had I still been on the squad and whoever was going to be Rufus came up to me and said "I'm going to be in a mascot fight with Brutus," I would not assume it ment "I'm going to blind side tackle him as he's running his team out." 

Edit to add:

 

LC beat me to the point.

Last Edited: 10/7/2010 3:21:50 PM by OrlandoCat
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Posted: 10/7/2010 3:50 PM
OrlandoCat wrote:expand_more
And maybe... and I'm just spitballing here... the cheerleaders have about 80 things more important on their mind than telling someone about some weird plot to attack the opposing mascot.


With all due respect to our fine cheerleading men and women, what are some of the more important issues they are thinking about prior to a game?  I don't think they are using a lot of focus going over the lines to the "OU - Oh Yeah!" cheer. 

Ultimately, one of the cheerleaders that knew about the plan ahead of time should have realized that the administration would want to be informed.  That doesn't mean that I think the punishment fit the crime, or that the incident itself was anywhere near as serious as some here, but I also don't think it is unreasonable to expect that a representative of the university - like a cheerleader - with prior knowledgle of the situation would notify someone in a position of authority before the incident occurred.


As student athletes there's any number of things they could be thinking about - from game prep (yes we actually do game prep), to "I hope that psychology test on monday isn't going to be as hard as I think it is."

Cheerleaders are not allowed to start the 'OU - OH Yeah!' cheer, since 'OU' isn't trademarked by our fine institution.
In fact, the 'Oh Yeah' response was started by the cheerleaders because we felt we should say..something.

Further more, had I still been on the squad and whoever was going to be Rufus came up to me and said "I'm going to be in a mascot fight with Brutus," I would not assume it ment "I'm going to blind side tackle him as he's running his team out." 

Edit to add:

 

LC beat me to the point.




According to the mother of a cheerleader, they were told Rufus was going to "take him out as he led the team onto the field...."  Seems pretty clear it would not be to the host university's liking, no?

 
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Posted: 10/7/2010 3:52 PM
This photo was pretty funny too.

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Posted: 10/7/2010 5:50 PM
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According to the mother of a cheerleader, they were told Rufus was going to "take him out as he led the team onto the field...."  Seems pretty clear it would not be to the host university's liking, no?



Is this the same mother who told you that Rufus was the resposibility of the Cheerleading Coach?
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Posted: 10/7/2010 6:08 PM
Dude, believe whatever you want. 
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Posted: 10/7/2010 6:39 PM
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The only thing I believe so far is that you really have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't really care whose mother you did or did not talk to.  To punish a whole squad because 'some' of the cheerleaders knew about it the night before is dumb, and then to ban them for TWO games is even more out of line.

To then lie about it in the same article you refrence is well...even more dumb.
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Posted: 10/7/2010 9:14 PM
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Dude, believe whatever you want. 


Dude, I believe you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Posted: 10/7/2010 9:30 PM
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I don't remember this big a deal being made when a cadet from Army nailed our Bobcat mascot while running onto the field.  I am not talking about a little tackle either.  I was at the game in West Point  and the cadet hit the Cat at full speed to lay her out.  She got up and began to run toward the stands and he nailed her again.  She was actually banged up pretty good and I am sure by now you have figured out that our mascot was a female student.  The MPs caught him as he was trying to leave the stadium and the Cadet was disciplined but I did not hear any uproar from our fans in Athens.  Just curious why?

I agree it was inappropriate but it is not the first time mascots got into a fight nor will it  be the last.  But for goodness sakes, it's done, over, finished now we should just let it go. 


Good point. That incident happened about 9 BY (Before Youtube).
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Posted: 10/7/2010 11:13 PM

Is there something wrong with smacking down columbus' mascot?  Seems to me like it was good for all involved.

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Posted: 10/7/2010 11:38 PM
Just so I don't get in trouble, I think I'm going to drive 65 down rt33 this Saturday. And if any of you hooligans pass me up, I'm writing down your license plates, and giving them to the proper authorities - you troublemakers! 

Oh wait, does that sound silly?
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Posted: 10/8/2010 7:05 AM
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The only thing I believe so far is that you really have no idea what you are talking about.


You don't have to believe SBH, it's all in the Athens News:

The Athens News wrote:expand_more
A relative of an OU cheerleader, wishing to remain anonymous, said her understanding was that the decision not to send the squad was a punishment for cheerleaders having foreknowledge of Rufus/Hanning's planned attack on Brutus. The athletics department did not address that rumor specifically, and no cheerleaders or advisers to the squad responded to requests for comment.

Hanning revealed, however, that he had told some of the cheerleaders the night before the Ohio State game about his plan to ambush Brutus.

"I did tell the cheerleaders, and I'm guessing that's probably why they didn't go (to the Marshall game)," he said. "I don't know why (else) they wouldn't send the cheerleaders."



http://www.athensnews.com/ohio/article-32245-rufus-ambush-results-in-canceled-event-other-fallout.html

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Posted: 10/8/2010 7:43 AM
Flomo-genized wrote:expand_more
The only thing I believe so far is that you really have no idea what you are talking about.


You don't have to believe SBH, it's all in the Athens News:

A relative of an OU cheerleader, wishing to remain anonymous, said her understanding was that the decision not to send the squad was a punishment for cheerleaders having foreknowledge of Rufus/Hanning's planned attack on Brutus. The athletics department did not address that rumor specifically, and no cheerleaders or advisers to the squad responded to requests for comment.

Hanning revealed, however, that he had told some of the cheerleaders the night before the Ohio State game about his plan to ambush Brutus.

"I did tell the cheerleaders, and I'm guessing that's probably why they didn't go (to the Marshall game)," he said. "I don't know why (else) they wouldn't send the cheerleaders."



http://www.athensnews.com/ohio/article-32245-rufus-ambush-results-in-canceled-event-other-fallout.html



Thanks for the article info Flomo.

The comments listed tell even more about the polarization of this event.  It seems at least one was just a plain old OSU lover/Ohio hater.  Couple that group with the Ohio people who consider this the most heinous crime since the Gulf Oil Spill and you get a fairly large group that won't let it die.  

Needless to say that if I ever get a hold of one of those "Dottin the Eye" tees then I won't let it die either.


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Posted: 10/8/2010 8:27 AM
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Couple that group with the Ohio people who consider this the most heinous crime since the Gulf Oil Spill and you get a fairly large group that won't let it die.  


That's wrong on both counts. This was a stupid decision by a kid in a cat suit. Nothing more, nothing less. Clearly, the ones "that won't let it die" are in the pro-attack group, who seem to think this is worthy of national attention and serves to "put Ohio on the map."

If this stunt were a harmless, clown-act I would absolutely agree. But when you watch the video, this kid clearly went over the top. Yes, no one was hurt, and yes the punches were softened by a big, soft head, (except the one to the 'nads) but I believe our mascot was out to cause harm. That he did not succeed is immaterial.

Yes, the picture is funny. But in the grand scheme, it's still a picture of a pathetic attempt to gain infamy at all costs.
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Posted: 10/8/2010 8:33 AM
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Couple that group with the Ohio people who consider this the most heinous crime since the Gulf Oil Spill and you get a fairly large group that won't let it die.  


That's wrong on both counts. This was a stupid decision by a kid in a cat suit. Nothing more, nothing less. Clearly, the ones "that won't let it die" are in the pro-attack group, who seem to think this is worthy of national attention and serves to "put Ohio on the map."

If this stunt were a harmless, clown-act I would absolutely agree. But when you watch the video, this kid clearly went over the top. Yes, no one was hurt, and yes the punches were softened by a big, soft head, (except the one to the 'nads) but I believe our mascot was out to cause harm. That he did not succeed is immaterial.

Yes, the picture is funny. But in the grand scheme, it's still a picture of a pathetic attempt to gain infamy at all costs.


And it reinforces in the minds of tens of thousands around the state that the party school image is deserved.  I can't tell you how many times I have heard comments like, "So your mascot is drunk all the time, too?" Not to mention that we need that big school up north to schedule us more often so we can get a decent payday without the extra travel costs.  It's hilarious that some of you think I'm an OSU apologist -- I hate that school.  But I was embarrassed by this act...and you should be too. But perhaps you're the same people who think it's great to act out in front of Columbus news reporters when the bars close early.  Really adds to the luster of an OU degree.
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