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Posted: 10/11/2010 12:36 PM
What limits are others using re alcohol sales--number can buy at once, cutoff after 3rd quarter or whenever?

Yup, given the economics and the ability to control this it is time.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 12:51 PM
Ted, do not forget the straight up money from pouring rights. 
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Posted: 10/11/2010 1:13 PM
John C. Wanamaker wrote:expand_more
Ted, do not forget the straight up money from pouring rights. 


Yeah, I wasn't sure if he was factoring that into his $2 number or not. Was just trying to provide a ballpark number of how much revenue could be generated. I would guess actual mileage would vary from program to program.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 1:19 PM
Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote:expand_more
What limits are others using re alcohol sales--number can buy at once, cutoff after 3rd quarter or whenever?

Yup, given the economics and the ability to control this it is time.


At UD and Xavier (for hoops), beer is not permitted in the student section. Limit is 2 per person. I want to say they stop selling with 10 minutes left to play but not 100% sure on that. I know alcohol is a political issue at Ohio. I would think they could tip-toe through by not allowing beer in the O Zone and in the family pack sections. The O Zone thing would be easier to enforce in the Convo than at Peden IMO.

Or, you could make the end zone seats at Peden really attractive by only selling alcohol under those tents behind those seats and require that no alcohol leaves that area.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 1:27 PM
This Administration doesn't even allow the licensing of the Ohio marks on shot glasses....pretty sure we aren't going to be lifting a glass anytime soon at the Convo or Peden.

(BTW, the shot glass thing is the most ridiculous edict ever issued from Cutler Hall....it's called individual accountability. It's not McDavis's job to police his 18-22 year old students who are more than capable of making adult decisions...complete farce.)
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Posted: 10/11/2010 2:36 PM
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This Administration doesn't even allow the licensing of the Ohio marks on shot glasses....pretty sure we aren't going to be lifting a glass anytime soon at the Convo or Peden.

(BTW, the shot glass thing is the most ridiculous edict ever issued from Cutler Hall....it's called individual accountability. It's not McDavis's job to police his 18-22 year old students who are more than capable of making adult decisions...complete farce.)


How about a shot glass with a picture of Rufus dotting the brutus eye?
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Posted: 10/11/2010 3:20 PM
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  He asked the question and she punches 5 X 3.00 into her calculator.  And you asked why the lines are so long.


I mentor/tutor 4th grade kids in math. Even the weakest of those kids can do 5 x 3 without a calculator.



In Kindergarten I knew that five field goals equaled 15 points.



You must be a Browns/Dawson Fan?!!
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Posted: 10/11/2010 3:51 PM
I don't trust the state liquor control office.  Can't you just see them deciding to send in undercover kids with great fake IDs to "get" the university.  Say, in response to a riot on Palmer Street.  And then the Dispatch and Plain Dealer and all the Columbus TV stations making it a huge story for a few days.  They sieze every opportunity to rip on Ohio University.

By the way, how about the 2 fests per year now.  Fall and Spring on Palmer, Oak, High, and etc.  Damn these kids like to party, eh?  Impressive.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 3:59 PM
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I don't trust the state liquor control office.  Can't you just see them deciding to send in undercover kids with great fake IDs to "get" the university.  Say, in response to a riot on Palmer Street.  And then the Dispatch and Plain Dealer and all the Columbus TV stations making it a huge story for a few days.  They sieze every opportunity to rip on Ohio University.

By the way, how about the 2 fests per year now.  Fall and Spring on Palmer, Oak, High, and etc.  Damn these kids like to party, eh?  Impressive.


A couple of things help curtail that. First, alcohol would not be permitted in the student section. Second, is cost. At $5 or $6 for a 20 oz. cup, I'm not sure how many beers students will be buying. So if you see a student trying to buy, you might know something's up.

To Love's point, this is all most likely a moot discussion. But I'm hoping that maybe a "desperate times call for desperate measures" thinking might set in. Might be $200K to $400K less cuts they'd have to make. And you can provide evidence that other institutions are doing/have done it without incident for a long time.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 4:24 PM
Good points Ted.  

I'd like to see them offer beer up in the Tower concession stand.  I'd probably buy 2 per game.

Will the fans who won't stand up on BG's 4th and goal from the 1 inch line walk "all the way" to the end zone for a beer? 

(Seriously.  Ohio fans are lazy.  And, seriously again, I witnessed someone ask a lady to sit down on that 4th and goal play.  Happy to report she did not.)
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Posted: 10/11/2010 5:12 PM
I've been to several college campuses in the past month...and at each of their respective College Bookstore-type establishments..you can certainly buy logoed shot glasses.

This has to be the dumbest ploy of all time.

I'm pretty sure the number of binge drinkers hasn't been affected one iota by the lack of branded shot glasses. All we've done is reduce our merchandise dollars.

Just ridiculous. Ivory Tower - gotta love it.

Also, with the horrendous non-con schedule we are playing the next 5 years...I'm going to have to start drinking during games just to endure it.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 6:08 PM
Here is a better idea than putting beer in Peden Stadium. Have the university work out a deal with the Athens County fairgrounds to host a tailgate/campgroud/RV park where alcohol is permitted and shuttles will be provided by the university prior to game time. There is a grocery store right across the street so if anyone wants to pick up food for the grill or whatever they can do that quickly. Invite the visiting teams to also have their pre game bash in the fair grounds. The ability to camp out would address lack of hotel accommodations in Athens for home games.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 6:51 PM
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Good points Ted.  

I'd like to see them offer beer up in the Tower concession stand.  I'd probably buy 2 per game.


The byproduct of putting beer in the Tower on top of the alcohol sales would be additional demand for those seats.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 7:39 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
I've been to several college campuses in the past month...and at each of their respective College Bookstore-type establishments..you can certainly buy logoed shot glasses.

This has to be the dumbest ploy of all time.

I'm pretty sure the number of binge drinkers hasn't been affected one iota by the lack of branded shot glasses. All we've done is reduce our merchandise dollars.

Just ridiculous. Ivory Tower - gotta love it.

Also, with the horrendous non-con schedule we are playing the next 5 years...I'm going to have to start drinking during games just to endure it.
Yep, that shot glass licensing revenue probably would close the university's Budget gap.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 7:50 PM
Unfortunately My experience was the same as Swank's. Because I had no idea that credit cards were not accepted except for a few choice locations I endured a 20 minute wait with 10 mins to go in the second. Once I got the new I was in halftime crowd. Waited till 10 mins left in the thrid to head back to one of the 2 lines that accepts cards. After 15 mins in line I headed back to the tailgate and visted with Mrs Gman and Ellis during the 4th qtr
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Posted: 10/11/2010 10:05 PM
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I've been to several college campuses in the past month...and at each of their respective College Bookstore-type establishments..you can certainly buy logoed shot glasses.

This has to be the dumbest ploy of all time.

I'm pretty sure the number of binge drinkers hasn't been affected one iota by the lack of branded shot glasses. All we've done is reduce our merchandise dollars.

Just ridiculous. Ivory Tower - gotta love it.

Also, with the horrendous non-con schedule we are playing the next 5 years...I'm going to have to start drinking during games just to endure it.


Yep, that shot glass licensing revenue probably would close the university's Budget gap.


Where does it say anything about using shot glass licensing revenue as a tool to close the budget gap?? Or are you just taking things out of context per the usual?
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Posted: 10/11/2010 10:33 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
I've been to several college campuses in the past month...and at each of their respective College Bookstore-type establishments..you can certainly buy logoed shot glasses.

This has to be the dumbest ploy of all time.

I'm pretty sure the number of binge drinkers hasn't been affected one iota by the lack of branded shot glasses. All we've done is reduce our merchandise dollars.

Just ridiculous. Ivory Tower - gotta love it.

Also, with the horrendous non-con schedule we are playing the next 5 years...I'm going to have to start drinking during games just to endure it.


Yep, that shot glass licensing revenue probably would close the university's Budget gap.


Where does it say anything about using shot glass licensing revenue as a tool to close the budget gap?? Or are you just taking things out of context per the usual?


You just have a target on your arse Love....but I find myself agreeing with you more than many self proclaimed moral saints on this board.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 11:54 PM
Welcome aboard, bornacat.

We weren't standing for that 4th down on BG's first possession?  Horrible.  When we stopped 'em, did it get loud?

Agree that beer sales can easily be limited/handled in a responsible way.  And clearly the $$$$ is needed.

Don't agree with Love, The that 18-22 year olds generally make wise decisions--especially re alcohol.
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Posted: 10/12/2010 9:19 AM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
This Administration doesn't even allow the licensing of the Ohio marks on shot glasses....pretty sure we aren't going to be lifting a glass anytime soon at the Convo or Peden.

(BTW, the shot glass thing is the most ridiculous edict ever issued from Cutler Hall....it's called individual accountability. It's not McDavis's job to police his 18-22 year old students who are more than capable of making adult decisions...complete farce.)


However go to an event at Mem Aud, and you can buy alcohol.  Double standard!

Ted, OUPD has for years promoted and lobbied for the selling, as this would allow them to regulate and control.
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Posted: 10/12/2010 10:25 AM
John C. Wanamaker wrote:expand_more
This Administration doesn't even allow the licensing of the Ohio marks on shot glasses....pretty sure we aren't going to be lifting a glass anytime soon at the Convo or Peden.

(BTW, the shot glass thing is the most ridiculous edict ever issued from Cutler Hall....it's called individual accountability. It's not McDavis's job to police his 18-22 year old students who are more than capable of making adult decisions...complete farce.)


However go to an event at Mem Aud, and you can buy alcohol.  Double standard!

Ted, OUPD has for years promoted and lobbied for the selling, as this would allow them to regulate and control.


Now that makes sense.
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Posted: 10/12/2010 10:34 AM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I've been to several college campuses in the past month...and at each of their respective College Bookstore-type establishments..you can certainly buy logoed shot glasses.

This has to be the dumbest ploy of all time.

I'm pretty sure the number of binge drinkers hasn't been affected one iota by the lack of branded shot glasses. All we've done is reduce our merchandise dollars.

Just ridiculous. Ivory Tower - gotta love it.

Also, with the horrendous non-con schedule we are playing the next 5 years...I'm going to have to start drinking during games just to endure it.


Yep, that shot glass licensing revenue probably would close the university's Budget gap.


Where does it say anything about using shot glass licensing revenue as a tool to close the budget gap?? Or are you just taking things out of context per the usual?


You just have a target on your arse Love....but I find myself agreeing with you more than many self proclaimed moral saints on this board.



I'm not targeting Love, just his logic.  He's the one who has decided to take a stand on this significant issue - whether or not the university allows the use of its logo on shot glasses.  It truly is a subject that deserves our attention in these trying times.  And he pointed out that we're depriving ourselves of much-needed revenue. 

Personally, I agree with the university's decision. Seems pretty obvious to me - shot glasses are commonly placed in high-profile positions behind bars as a subtle type of advertising. Why on earth would a school that has a very real image problem related to alcohol want to plaster its logo on a shot glass?  Love's answer: money.  There's no way the financial upside is enough to compensate for the continuation of the pervasive image of OU as a place where people go to drink rather than study.

Not that I take Love's stands too seriously.  His multiple threatened boycotts of this site have lasted at most a matter of days, and his Wofford "walkout" certainly never occurred. He's just looking for attention....just as he was as "3Ball." Hell, maybe he's Billy Milligan; that would explain a lot.
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Posted: 10/12/2010 10:57 AM
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By the way, how about the 2 fests per year now.  Fall and Spring on Palmer, Oak, High, and etc.  Damn these kids like to party, eh?  Impressive.


Party by meaning socialize yes. How are these parties necessarily a bad thing? If you take away the 10% that get out of control you will see that for most people its nothing more than an excuse to mingle. Admissions are up and dorms are overbooked so I'm not sure how these fests are hurting. Houses that host place signs on kegs not to drink unless your 21 or older. Those who drink under 21 do so at their own risk.
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Posted: 10/12/2010 11:13 AM
Applications were actually down this year and the freshman class was smaller than the university had wanted.  Wonder if the multitude of Palmerfest stories had an effect on some parents' decision making? Wouldn't be surprised.
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Posted: 10/12/2010 11:32 AM
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Applications were actually down this year and the freshman class was smaller than the university had wanted.  Wonder if the multitude of Palmerfest stories had an effect on some parents' decision making? Wouldn't be surprised.


Don't kids make the executive decision on where they go to college? I know I was heavily influnced to go here by my parents but having compared OU to other schools I decided it was the best overall place.
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Posted: 10/12/2010 1:25 PM
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Applications were actually down this year and the freshman class was smaller than the university had wanted.  Wonder if the multitude of Palmerfest stories had an effect on some parents' decision making? Wouldn't be surprised.


I actually wonder if it more has to do with the economy, such that more kids are having to live at home and go to a more local school so as to save on housing money.  I've also noticed that more people are doing the whole 1-2 years of community college route before moving on to a real university.  Actually on Roberts Rd in Hilliard there is a sign that actually promotes a Columbus State and Ohio University layered program.
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