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Posted: 11/28/2010 6:58 PM
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The PAC 10 could have one, but now it's a little cloudier...
Cal is 5-7 OUT following their loss to Washington. Goodbye Bears.
Wash is 5-6 after beating the Bears. They host Wash. St. next week - win and they're in.
Ore St. 5-6 -- Getting clobbered by Stanford, it's a loss, next week...#1 Oregon. Bye bye Beavers.
AZ St. 5-6 -- need a roadie at AZ next week and NCAA waiver (2 W's vs. AA teams - but PAC 10 needs another team)


The Sun Bowl would be against the ACC #4 and that is looking like an 8-3 NC State team. Its a highly unusual situation to have such an attractive bowl open. My guess is that 6 or 7 win Army would fill that slot but how about the Bobcats? That would make for an interesting story to see Ohio return to the Sun Bowl for the second time.  


When were we in the Sun Bowl? My memory is fading.

Edit: Nevermind. I just answered my own question - 1962.
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I think Temple gets a nod ahead of us.  Fairness really doesn't have alot to do with it.  Its mainly about $ and Temple is in a big media market.  I hope we can squeak into a bowl but I am not very optimistic.  


I'm not so sure it's about the media market per se.   To most bowls I think it's more of a matter of which team they think will bring more fans to the game, whose team travels better. 


As far as the MAC schools are concerned traveling out to a western bowl its all considered a toss up. If overall records are equal then its time to look at head to head matchups or the polls. Ohio is ranked #38 in the Harris poll this week while Temple is unranked. Ohio beat both Miami and Temple this season. Temple didnt beat a MAC school with a winning record. I would put Toledo ahead of Ohio with the LCPB connection and a victory over Ohio but not Temple.


I would think that Temple's rather easy win over Connecticut who may be headed to a BCS bowl would figure into a bowl's equation, plus they can talk themselves into Pierce being available to play and being a difference maker. 
I hope this things don't count for much, but I have to say, if I were being objective, that if I were on a bowl committee, I would probably go with Temple when you add in the market advantage.


I would have to think the "what have you done for me lately" effect would kick in wouldn't it?  Uconn would beat Temple at this point in their season.


I would guess the bowl committees have short memories  when it comes to the negatives.  Can they sell Temple with the golden boy and wins over UCONN and ARMY (maybe even Villinova)?  Probably better than OOC wins over Louisiana and Wofford.  Like others have said, Solich is an interesting figure on the national stage so he garners some votes too.  If ESPN gets any votes with the committees, they seem to have swallowed the golden boy thing (real or perceived) so that hurts our chances. 
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I still remember our first bowl invite from the Sun Bowl in 1962.  There had been a lot of talk that we would get a bowl bid toward the end of that season.  Then we lost two of our last three games -- 7-6 to BG and then 31-22 to Iowa State -- to finish 8-2.  We actually played a fairly good game against ISU and had chances to win.  They had a very good QB who made some key completions that doomed us toward the end of the game.  

After that Iowa State loss, I was really dejected.  It looked like we had blown our chances of a bowl bid.  However, there was a slight chance we would still be selected, according to the local media.  I remember when the selection date arrived (a Sunday, I think it was) I stayed glued to the radio (WATH, I believe) all afternoon long and listened for the hoped for announcement.  As the afternoon wore on, I became somewhat desponded and was starting to feel that we were going to be passed over.  Then, all of a sudden, they broke into some music that was playing -- breaking news -- Ohio had been selected to play in the Sun Bowl!  I was so excited!!  I ran downstairs and told my parents and my sisters!  We were going to our very first bowl!!!  There was probably not a more excited person in all of Athens.  

Perhaps, you can understand why, for sentimental reasons, I'd really love to go back to the Sun Bowl.  On top of that, it's one bowl that my wife says we could probably go to.  
I hope I haven't bored you folks, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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I dont think a 6-6 MTSU team with a 4-4 Sun Belt record gets an invite over an 8-4/6-2 MAC team.

I agree.  Also, MTSU will be about a 2TD underdog to Florida International, so they'll probably end up 5-7 anyhow.

Line is at FIU by 6.5, so much closer than I expected.
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I dont think a 6-6 MTSU team with a 4-4 Sun Belt record gets an invite over an 8-4/6-2 MAC team.

I agree.  Also, MTSU will be about a 2TD underdog to Florida International, so they'll probably end up 5-7 anyhow.

Line is at FIU by 6.5, so much closer than I expected.


You guys have missed the apparent fact that if Mid Tenn wins they go to the LCPB as a Sun Belt rep in a back up tie-in.  That would knock out a team from the bowl mix.  I suspect Ohio is on the bubble and may be that team if Mid Tenn is in-6-6 record or not
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You guys have missed the apparent fact that if Mid Tenn wins they go to the LCPB as a Sun Belt rep in a back up tie-in.  That would knock out a team from the bowl mix.  I suspect Ohio is on the bubble and may be that team if Mid Tenn is in-6-6 record or not


As of right now there is no bubble.  There are 70 bowl eligible teams for 70 slots.  While there are four teams left that can become bowl eligible this weekend, it is unlikely that more than 1 or 2 do so.  A Washington win over Washington State will likely bump WMU out, not us.  An MTSU win would hurt, but even then it would come down to 2 out of 3 of OU, Temple, and Toledo going bowling.  While I could certainly see us getting left out from that group, I could also see us being more attractive than one of those teams in the eyes of at least some bowl.
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I still remember our first bowl invite from the Sun Bowl in 1962.  There had been a lot of talk that we would get a bowl bid toward the end of that season.  Then we lost two of our last three games -- 7-6 to BG and then 31-22 to Iowa State -- to finish 8-2.  We actually played a fairly good game against ISU and had chances to win.  They had a very good QB who made some key completions that doomed us toward the end of the game.  

After that Iowa State loss, I was really dejected.  It looked like we had blown our chances of a bowl bid.  However, there was a slight chance we would still be selected, according to the local media.  I remember when the selection date arrived (a Sunday, I think it was) I stayed glued to the radio (WATH, I believe) all afternoon long and listened for the hoped for announcement.  As the afternoon wore on, I became somewhat desponded and was starting to feel that we were going to be passed over.  Then, all of a sudden, they broke into some music that was playing -- breaking news -- Ohio had been selected to play in the Sun Bowl!  I was so excited!!  I ran downstairs and told my parents and my sisters!  We were going to our very first bowl!!!  There was probably not a more excited person in all of Athens.  

Perhaps, you can understand why, for sentimental reasons, I'd really love to go back to the Sun Bowl.  On top of that, it's one bowl that my wife says we could probably go to.  
I hope I haven't bored you folks, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it!


Great stuff OCF!  That's a neat story.
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I still remember our first bowl invite from the Sun Bowl in 1962.  There had been a lot of talk that we would get a bowl bid toward the end of that season.  Then we lost two of our last three games -- 7-6 to BG and then 31-22 to Iowa State -- to finish 8-2.  We actually played a fairly good game against ISU and had chances to win.  They had a very good QB who made some key completions that doomed us toward the end of the game.  

After that Iowa State loss, I was really dejected.  It looked like we had blown our chances of a bowl bid.  However, there was a slight chance we would still be selected, according to the local media.  I remember when the selection date arrived (a Sunday, I think it was) I stayed glued to the radio (WATH, I believe) all afternoon long and listened for the hoped for announcement.  As the afternoon wore on, I became somewhat desponded and was starting to feel that we were going to be passed over.  Then, all of a sudden, they broke into some music that was playing -- breaking news -- Ohio had been selected to play in the Sun Bowl!  I was so excited!!  I ran downstairs and told my parents and my sisters!  We were going to our very first bowl!!!  There was probably not a more excited person in all of Athens.  

Perhaps, you can understand why, for sentimental reasons, I'd really love to go back to the Sun Bowl.  On top of that, it's one bowl that my wife says we could probably go to.  
I hope I haven't bored you folks, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it!


Neat story OCF! And Wes, your Sun Bowl prediction matches Yahoo's right now:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1156897
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Neat story OCF! And Wes, your Sun Bowl prediction matches Yahoo's right now:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1156897



So last year we win the MAC East and are "rewarded" with Marshall in Detroit.

This year we lose it, but might get to play the U in Texas. Gotta love the bowl system.
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WOW...... If this was to play out this way just think of all the side stories to this game. 
1) We play against our former AD
2) Another emotional game due to a coaching change 
3) It also says it's on CBS a first for us, I like it.







GO BOBCATS
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You guys have missed the apparent fact that if Mid Tenn wins they go to the LCPB as a Sun Belt rep in a back up tie-in.  That would knock out a team from the bowl mix.  I suspect Ohio is on the bubble and may be that team if Mid Tenn is in-6-6 record or not


As of right now there is no bubble.  There are 70 bowl eligible teams for 70 slots.  While there are four teams left that can become bowl eligible this weekend, it is unlikely that more than 1 or 2 do so.  A Washington win over Washington State will likely bump WMU out, not us.  An MTSU win would hurt, but even then it would come down to 2 out of 3 of OU, Temple, and Toledo going bowling.  While I could certainly see us getting left out from that group, I could also see us being more attractive than one of those teams in the eyes of at least some bowl.


And why would that be?
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You guys have missed the apparent fact that if Mid Tenn wins they go to the LCPB as a Sun Belt rep in a back up tie-in.  That would knock out a team from the bowl mix.  I suspect Ohio is on the bubble and may be that team if Mid Tenn is in-6-6 record or not


As of right now there is no bubble.  There are 70 bowl eligible teams for 70 slots.  While there are four teams left that can become bowl eligible this weekend, it is unlikely that more than 1 or 2 do so.  A Washington win over Washington State will likely bump WMU out, not us.  An MTSU win would hurt, but even then it would come down to 2 out of 3 of OU, Temple, and Toledo going bowling.  While I could certainly see us getting left out from that group, I could also see us being more attractive than one of those teams in the eyes of at least some bowl.


And why would that be?


For Temple, the fact that we beat them head-to-head late for the second straight year in a game with championship implications, this time in Philly.  Combine that with the fact that both teams crapped the bed in the season finale, and I think a pretty strong case can be made that we should be picked over them.  Plus from the bowl game organizers' perspective, Temple is unlikely to sell any more tickets that us.  If TV becomes an issue then the Philadelphia media market could become an advantage for the Owls, but even then Temple barely registers a blip on the radar in that city, so I'm not sure it makes much of a difference, plus we can argue that the Solich name may draw in some added eyeballs to the telecast.

With respect to Toledo, they obviously beat us earlier in the season, but they have lost their starting QB for the year and were absolutely beat down late in the year by NIU.  I could see a bowl thinking that we are the better team at this point, although on merit Toledo should go over us.  Toledo would probably sell a few more tickets, although again not by a negligible amount (OU, Temple, and Toledo will all eat far many more tickets than they sell).  Neither team has much of a television presence, so that issue is pretty much a push.

It appears that NIU may be heading to Boise, though, in which case I suspect Toledo will go to the Motor City.  If that happens, then the choice for the at-large bowls will be Temple or Ohio. 
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Neat story OCF! And Wes, your Sun Bowl prediction matches Yahoo's right now:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1156897



So last year we win the MAC East and are "rewarded" with Marshall in Detroit.

This year we lose it, but might get to play the U in Texas. Gotta love the bowl system.


I'd be happy just for the chance to beat another team that has "Miami" on their jerseys...
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You guys have missed the apparent fact that if Mid Tenn wins they go to the LCPB as a Sun Belt rep in a back up tie-in.  That would knock out a team from the bowl mix.  I suspect Ohio is on the bubble and may be that team if Mid Tenn is in-6-6 record or not


As of right now there is no bubble.  There are 70 bowl eligible teams for 70 slots.  While there are four teams left that can become bowl eligible this weekend, it is unlikely that more than 1 or 2 do so.  A Washington win over Washington State will likely bump WMU out, not us.  An MTSU win would hurt, but even then it would come down to 2 out of 3 of OU, Temple, and Toledo going bowling.  While I could certainly see us getting left out from that group, I could also see us being more attractive than one of those teams in the eyes of at least some bowl.


And why would that be?


For Temple, the fact that we beat them head-to-head late for the second straight year in a game with championship implications, this time in Philly.  Combine that with the fact that both teams crapped the bed in the season finale, and I think a pretty strong case can be made that we should be picked over them.  Plus from the bowl game organizers' perspective, Temple is unlikely to sell any more tickets that us.  If TV becomes an issue then the Philadelphia media market could become an advantage for the Owls, but even then Temple barely registers a blip on the radar in that city, so I'm not sure it makes much of a difference, plus we can argue that the Solich name may draw in some added eyeballs to the telecast.
 


Temple is so minor as far as the Philadelphia TV market is concerned that the Big East was willing to offer Villanova as a football member even without a stadium in place. The Villanova/Temple situation is like MiamiFL/Florida International in South Florida. The business community in Philladelphia has always viewed Villanova as a step up. There was basically nobody in the stands for the Ohio-Temple game and that isn't going to impress bowl organizers.
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Bowl predictions have us going anywhere, but at least we're going (according to most predictions):

Yahoo/Rivals: Sun Bowl vs. Miami (FL) (making a return to the Sun Bowl after 40 years would be nice for the "more seasoned" fans. Plus, I'd love to take the U to the shed if we can)

Scout.com: Humanitarian vs. Boise St. (don't want to get wiped out by BSU. They'll play angry and in front of a home crowd)

CBS Sports: MAACO (Las Vegas) vs. Utah (Vegas is nice this time of year)

ESPN (Mark Schlabach): New Mexico vs. Fresno St. (New Mexico is one of 11 states I've never been to)

ESPN (Andrea Adelson): MAACO vs. Utah (If we do make this bowl game, the over-under on "Uh-Oh" references leading up to the game is 479)

NBC Sports: No Bowl (What does NBC know about college football? They only show ND games. And Rudy was offsides) 

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You guys have missed the apparent fact that if Mid Tenn wins they go to the LCPB as a Sun Belt rep in a back up tie-in.  That would knock out a team from the bowl mix.  I suspect Ohio is on the bubble and may be that team if Mid Tenn is in-6-6 record or not


As of right now there is no bubble.  There are 70 bowl eligible teams for 70 slots.  While there are four teams left that can become bowl eligible this weekend, it is unlikely that more than 1 or 2 do so.  A Washington win over Washington State will likely bump WMU out, not us.  An MTSU win would hurt, but even then it would come down to 2 out of 3 of OU, Temple, and Toledo going bowling.  While I could certainly see us getting left out from that group, I could also see us being more attractive than one of those teams in the eyes of at least some bowl.


And why would that be?


For Temple, the fact that we beat them head-to-head late for the second straight year in a game with championship implications, this time in Philly.  Combine that with the fact that both teams crapped the bed in the season finale, and I think a pretty strong case can be made that we should be picked over them.  Plus from the bowl game organizers' perspective, Temple is unlikely to sell any more tickets that us.  If TV becomes an issue then the Philadelphia media market could become an advantage for the Owls, but even then Temple barely registers a blip on the radar in that city, so I'm not sure it makes much of a difference, plus we can argue that the Solich name may draw in some added eyeballs to the telecast.

With respect to Toledo, they obviously beat us earlier in the season, but they have lost their starting QB for the year and were absolutely beat down late in the year by NIU.  I could see a bowl thinking that we are the better team at this point, although on merit Toledo should go over us.  Toledo would probably sell a few more tickets, although again not by a negligible amount (OU, Temple, and Toledo will all eat far many more tickets than they sell).  Neither team has much of a television presence, so that issue is pretty much a push.

It appears that NIU may be heading to Boise, though, in which case I suspect Toledo will go to the Motor City.  If that happens, then the choice for the at-large bowls will be Temple or Ohio. 


Let's see, in their last game,Toledo scores 42 points, scores 2 TD's on long kickoff returns, backup QB passes for 300+ yards, earlier beats a BCS team (like Temple did), are ranked higher by Sagarin and they are a lesser draw.  I'm not sure. Our losses to 2 5-7 teams can't be a plus for us.  I hope you guys are right about our bowl chances. I've talked myself in going if I can.
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I wouldn't be giving Toledo that many props for their win against Purdue. Just because they are in the Big Ten it doesn't excuse the fact that they had a lower Sagarin ranking then Ohio and a few other MAC schools.
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I dont think a 6-6 MTSU team with a 4-4 Sun Belt record gets an invite over an 8-4/6-2 MAC team.

I agree.  Also, MTSU will be about a 2TD underdog to Florida International, so they'll probably end up 5-7 anyhow.

Line is at FIU by 6.5, so much closer than I expected.


You guys have missed the apparent fact that if Mid Tenn wins they go to the LCPB as a Sun Belt rep in a back up tie-in.  That would knock out a team from the bowl mix.  I suspect Ohio is on the bubble and may be that team if Mid Tenn is in-6-6 record or not


How? Doesn't the Sun Belt only have 2 bowl tie ins? New Orleans & GoDaddy?
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I wouldn't be giving Toledo that many props for their win against Purdue. Just because they are in the Big Ten it doesn't excuse the fact that they had a lower Sagarin ranking then Ohio and a few other MAC schools.



What? But they're in the Big 10!!! They are part of the murderer's row OSU faces every year. They must be at least top 30 in the country?!?!?!?! Right Gordon Gee?
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I dont think a 6-6 MTSU team with a 4-4 Sun Belt record gets an invite over an 8-4/6-2 MAC team.

I agree.  Also, MTSU will be about a 2TD underdog to Florida International, so they'll probably end up 5-7 anyhow.

Line is at FIU by 6.5, so much closer than I expected.


You guys have missed the apparent fact that if Mid Tenn wins they go to the LCPB as a Sun Belt rep in a back up tie-in.  That would knock out a team from the bowl mix.  I suspect Ohio is on the bubble and may be that team if Mid Tenn is in-6-6 record or not


How? Doesn't the Sun Belt only have 2 bowl tie ins? New Orleans & GoDaddy?

They have a backup tie in with the LCPB so they would go since the Big 11 doesn't have a team qualifying. 
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Hate to prvide facts to the clouded and jaded perspective being published here but Temple sold 20,000 tix to the Eagle Bank Bowl and the game vs UCLA drew the highest TV ratings of any Bowl game in the 5th largest TV market in the country.

Now back to your programming.
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Hate to prvide facts to the clouded and jaded perspective being published here but Temple sold 20,000 tix to the Eagle Bank Bowl and the game vs UCLA drew the highest TV ratings of any Bowl game in the 5th largest TV market in the country.

Now back to your programming.



Someone, please, get this guy a life and his football team some dance lessons.
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Hate to prvide facts to the clouded and jaded perspective being published here but Temple sold 20,000 tix to the Eagle Bank Bowl and the game vs UCLA drew the highest TV ratings of any Bowl game in the 5th largest TV market in the country.

Now back to your programming.


A report out of the Little Cesars bowl has Ohio as the #3 candidate after NIU and Miami to be matched up against either Boston College, Louisville, or Georgia Tech. It says that Temple and even Toledo have little chance. It looks like the bowl organizers are considering Ohio the MAC #3 and not Temple.

 http://www.huskiewire.com/articles/2010/11/29/21403634/index.xml
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The New Mexico Bowl is OUT for the Cats. The reason is that according to contract if the Mountain West is short of bowl eligible teams, Army automatically takes the place of the MWC in the Ft. Worth bowl. The MWC would then be sending a team to the New Mexico against a WAC opponent contractually obligated as the WAC was 4 for 4 in placing their teams in bowls.

http://www.armedforcesbowl.com/2010/04/bell-helicopter-armed-forces-bowl-signs-army-for-2010-game/
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Thanks for the updates Wes. Keep 'em coming...
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