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Posted: 12/20/2010 3:27 PM
No.  Those people had never before attended an Ohio football game and probably an Ohio athletic event of any kind.  They were not in the O Zone.
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Posted: 12/20/2010 4:30 PM
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Agreed, my friends and I were getting irritated at the drunken students cursing at the troy band, turning on the ohio players and making fun of them. Overall was a very  frustrating experience. Of course the three of us kept cheering, we apologized to troy band members about the others antics and let one of them use our rally towels that were given out to wipe the beer off his instrument that an intoxicated student had splashed on him. It's just amazing how fast things go down hill in the o-zone when the football team struggles.


That's exactly why Ohio should never sell beer in Peden. Ohio students couldn't handle it and the place would become a drunken slop house. It would be no place to take a family with kids.
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Posted: 12/20/2010 4:31 PM
My mistake, but still how would a Troy fan,band member, or player be able to tell the difference? Still it's a matter of perception. I understand that they most likely were not regulars, and had the game been in Detroit, or god forbid, Boise they would not of shown up but the fact is that they were representing the university as you and I were, and I was embarrassed to be around them.
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Posted: 12/20/2010 4:38 PM
I know.  I just want to make it known we are we with you.
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Posted: 12/20/2010 8:05 PM
I passed a good number of student rushing to the dome at the end of the game to make their bus.

I guess opportunism was a given.
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Posted: 12/20/2010 8:44 PM
Pete Chouteau wrote:expand_more
I wonder how it is for a guy like D.A., who has busted his ass on the East Coast to organize alumni and take the pole position on the actual work of the Convo remodeling.

I wonder what it's like for Robert Walter, who made a big splash Friday, and got a bedwetting Saturday.


Thanks for thinking of me Pete, and since you asked:

About the game/bowl experience-
  • First, after hanging around here for a couple of years I have realized I need to avoid the board like the plague for a couple days after a defeat like this so I don't end up on the ledge. (although everyone's opinions here are valid)
  • I wouldn't have traded the weekend for anything, even if I had know in advance we were due for a beat down.  NOLA was great, all the people were as well and I think it was a positive experience regardless of the result.  And if the game was a net loss of only $30-40K including offsetting the student trips, as I suspect it was, it was merely the cost of one more in-season game, and that is an excellent investment regardless of the outcome.
  • I think the student trip idea/investment was genius and money well spent by the Athletic Department, and I think the recipients of the investment would say the same thing.  Eff anyone who says otherwise including the announcers.
  • NO ONE felt worse about the result of the game than the players and coaching staff.  I spoke with a number of players and parents in the hotel after the game and thanked them for their hard work this season and they were very emotional and some were even crying an hour after the game.  They understood the importance of the opportunity and the opportunity lost, and while a victory certainly would have been preferred I am satisfied that they put forth an earnest effort.
  • Don't kid yourself if you believe the Athletic Department wasn't disappointed as well.
  • They were beaten by a better team.  Matt Morton (our head equipment manager for those who don't know him) spoke with the Troy equipment manager at halftime, and he said that Troy hadn't played in two years like they played in the first half.
  • We are not tOSU, and you can't compare where this FB program is now with BB and it's heritage/history at Ohio.  In my four years and one quarter at Ohio, FB went 2-9, 1-10, 1-10, 4-6-1 and 1-9-1.  If anything we play a stronger schedule than we did 20 years ago.  This program has made quantum leaps from where it was 20-30 years ago, and I personally won't let three bowl losses and two MACC losses in five years impede the enthusiasm I have felt for the program's resurgence since Frank's hiring.
About the impact on donors/almuni-
  • I had the good fortune to spend quite a bit of time with some pretty big donors, and while understandably disappointed at the outcome, one bowl loss isn't going to have a detrimental impact on their charitable giving when you consider the good will earned on such a trip.
  • I donate as a gift; time and money.  I ask nothing in return.  If I started to expect certain results or influence over the outcomes, I wouldn't have the same positive feeling that I have currently, and I would probable stop donating.  Most of the larger donors such as the Walter's feel the same, and I am sure they didn't regret having made the commitment after the first half was over. (and by the way, totally awesome gift there, and thanks to them)
  • Most of the larger events we host in Boston revolve around Ohio Athletics, and we don't always win or have a Georgetown experience. (I hosted a big event for the Miami (in Oxford) game last year, anyone remember the second half meltdown.)  The good stewardship at the events always outlive the results of the game.
Short story long, I take a long vision and think that we will continue to improve.  Realistically we likely all had over-heightened expectations for this team, especially after the preseason losses of veteran o-liners and the early season losses of Noah and Lavon.  The 2010 version of the Cats were likely closer to the 6-6 or 4-7/4-8 squads, and they actually managed to win eight games and EARNED a bowl birth.  They worked very hard and represented the school positively on more occasions than not and I thank them for it.  The 2011 class has more early and strong commits than they have in year's past, which continues to reflect well on the progress this staff has made.  And a new practice facility won't hurt matters in the future either.

Did it suck to see us porous as the levees during Katrina, absolutely.  But that's why they play the games and sometimes we're gonna lose, on occasion losing ugly.

First round is on me at the CI post game Wednesday, and if MH55 shows I'll treat him as well.  It will be my first game in the Convo in probably 15 years, and I'm really looking forward to it.  Let's drill those guys.
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Posted: 12/20/2010 9:11 PM
DAMN YOU AND YOUR COMMON SENSE!

Bobcats. I can't quit you.
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Posted: 12/20/2010 9:48 PM
Pete Chouteau wrote:expand_more
DAMN YOU AND YOUR COMMON SENSE!

Bobcats. I can't quit you.


That's the spirit, Pete!
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Posted: 12/20/2010 10:18 PM
We need more Dave Abrams, and more young folks that have visions of taking the reigns of Bobcat Stewardship.  When I graduated, I promised myself I would support the university that gave me so much opportunity to succeed, coupled with the best four years of my life.  At first, is was with my time.  Now we are more able to support the university financially and hope to do more.  I would guess Dave has watched Bob Axline lead by example in Boston for many years and sees an opportunity to continue to stoke the fire.  I am sure it helps to have Mr. Alden in the area, too. 

I hope the students and alumni 25 and under on this board allow this spirit to be part of your life well into adulthood.  We all want the wins more than anything, but I am not ready to quit on Ohio just because we cannot seem to get over a hurdle.  The Walters give me hope that we can get over that hurdle.  Money cannot buy wins, but it can buy atmosphere and excitement.  The big wins will follow.  Let's hope the successes of the past 5 years are just the beginning.
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Posted: 12/20/2010 10:24 PM
Awesome post D.A. I'm with you 98% of the way. My full recovery from N.O. can't take place until I travel to Ohio on the 9th to witness a full scale Muck Fiami route.
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Posted: 12/20/2010 11:22 PM
I wasn't really planning to make a comment on this thread, but I couldn't let the opportunity pass to say that for what I think is the first time ever I find myself in essential agreement with a post by Mr. MoJo. 

I watched this game from my stateroom aboard the cruise ship Zaandam.  I had the option of watching it in the bar on a larger TV, but after the way the game started I never wanted to hear the comments of the other passengers so that I just stayed in my stateroom and listened to my wife tell me how horrible we looked and how Frank with all of his fine coaching credentials should have us doing better.  She was really down on Frank.  I didn't share her opinions and tried to point out how far we've come with Frank.  All in all it was a very unpleasant experience.  The best thing was the room service dinner we had at halftime. 

Count me as one who is still on the bandwagon.

Not to mix up my forums, but I'll be rooting on Wednesday for two victories this year against Temple.  (Though I don't have time for the story now, I'll tell a story later about an x-Temple basketball player who was on this cruise and is either a world class liar or as clueless as MH55.)

GO OHIO!
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Posted: 12/20/2010 11:39 PM
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Posted: 12/21/2010 12:06 AM
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. . . Though I don't have time for the story now, I'll tell a story later about an x-Temple basketball player who was on this cruise and is either a world class liar or as clueless as MH55.)


If interested, you'll find this tale of the clueless Temple basketball player on the basketball forum, of all places.
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Posted: 12/21/2010 10:16 AM
Great post, Dave, and I agree totally.  I cannot be there to get the second round at the CI since I have some other duties but will offer to get the first one post-game at the Cat's Eye if anyone is willing.

As I would say to anyone who  would listen on Saturday night (and I wasn't in the alcoholic slur yet, bigbobcat), we were complaining about a loss in a bowl game.....something that we would not even consider in a dream ten years prior.  Now we have expectations, before we could only hope for adequacy.


Happy holidays, all!!
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Posted: 12/21/2010 10:51 AM
oldkatz wrote:expand_more
Great post, Dave, and I agree totally.  I cannot be there to get the second round at the CI since I have some other duties but will offer to get the first one post-game at the Cat's Eye if anyone is willing.

As I would say to anyone who  would listen on Saturday night (and I wasn't in the alcoholic slur yet, bigbobcat), we were complaining about a loss in a bowl game.....something that we would not even consider in a dream ten years prior.  Now we have expectations, before we could only hope for adequacy.


Happy holidays, all!!


10 years ago, we were 7-4, beat Minnesota, beat Marshall, lost to a very good Miami team and a pretty good Akron team.  Only one MAC school went Bowling (I believe).  If 10 years ago was today, we would have been in one of the MAC Bowl games.....Now if you want to go 9 years ago, I will give you a valid point star
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Posted: 12/21/2010 11:56 AM
How are you counting the ten years, Wannoburger?  I was counting the year after the Gopher win as the tenth.  Sheesh, what a grinch.
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Posted: 12/21/2010 1:13 PM
D.A. wrote:expand_more
I wonder how it is for a guy like D.A., who has busted his ass on the East Coast to organize alumni and take the pole position on the actual work of the Convo remodeling.

I wonder what it's like for Robert Walter, who made a big splash Friday, and got a bedwetting Saturday.


Thanks for thinking of me Pete, and since you asked:

About the game/bowl experience-
  • They were beaten by a better team.  Matt Morton (our head equipment manager for those who don't know him) spoke with the Troy equipment manager at halftime, and he said that Troy hadn't played in two years like they played in the first half.


 
Here is a puzzler.  Ohio and Troy had two common opponents. Troy needed a last-second FG to edge BG 30-27.  Ohio throttled BG 49-25.  Both Troy and Ohio beat Louisiana by 7 at home.  Sagarin had OU 6 better than Troy.  Troy dropped a pair of conference games.  Is Troy really that much better than Ohio?  Ooorrrr...was it a night when several factors converged to result in the football equivalent of Dunkirk?  For example, did Coach Solich's decison to keep Boo Jackson tied to the bench for most of the first half seriously dent the Cats' collective psyche? 
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Posted: 12/21/2010 1:23 PM
Yeah, maybe he wasn't cognizant of their psyche. 
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Posted: 12/21/2010 1:55 PM
Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
I wonder how it is for a guy like D.A., who has busted his ass on the East Coast to organize alumni and take the pole position on the actual work of the Convo remodeling.

I wonder what it's like for Robert Walter, who made a big splash Friday, and got a bedwetting Saturday.


Thanks for thinking of me Pete, and since you asked:

About the game/bowl experience-
  • They were beaten by a better team.  Matt Morton (our head equipment manager for those who don't know him) spoke with the Troy equipment manager at halftime, and he said that Troy hadn't played in two years like they played in the first half.
 
Here is a puzzler.  Ohio and Troy had two common opponents. Troy needed a last-second FG to edge BG 30-27.  Ohio throttled BG 49-25.  Both Troy and Ohio beat Louisiana by 7 at home.  Sagarin had OU 6 better than Troy.  Troy dropped a pair of conference games.  Is Troy really that much better than Ohio?  Ooorrrr...was it a night when several factors converged to result in the football equivalent of Dunkirk?  For example, did Coach Solich's decison to keep Boo Jackson tied to the bench for most of the first half seriously dent the Cats' collective psyche? 


Troy was in a major rebuilding year. We lost nine starters on defense and a record setting quarterback who is now with Buffalo. There were also approximately twenty one returning players counted on to contribute that for one reason or another did not play this season. They were about to ask for volunteers at  dt and safety. The team had not  put  it together until these last three games. Believe me, i was as surprised as Y'all at the defense's performance. The offense was pretty efficient most of the year however they were stifled by their own mistakes. We led the country in penalties wire to wire. No penalties in the first half was not a surprise; it was a shock.
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Posted: 12/21/2010 1:56 PM
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Yeah, maybe he wasn't cognizant of their psyche. 


Thanks JCW and Jeff, now I finally understand what happened in the bowl game.  In a nutshell Frank not being cognizant of their psyche led to the football equivalent of Dunkirk.  Says it all in a concise, pithy  way!
Last Edited: 12/21/2010 1:58:05 PM by OhioCatFan
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Posted: 12/21/2010 2:27 PM
I don't know how to explain how Mike Johnson's post got mixed up with mine other than the fact that I'm a technological moron. That stuff is way over my head. I think I'll quit while I'm behind. Thanks for letting me post and good luck next year.
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