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Posted: 2/22/2011 10:14 AM
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Ok.. so what does Ohio average in attendance?
What does Temple.. a program that was flat lining 5 years ago average?
What are the hopes for the future of Ohio football? New Stadium?  New Conference?  Bringing decent teams into Athens?

Or are you forever stuck in the dismal hell of MAC sports?
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Posted: 2/22/2011 10:55 AM
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TUVideo Guy wrote:expand_more
Ok.. so what does Ohio average in attendance?
What does Temple.. a program that was flat lining 5 years ago average?


Ohio 2010 average attendance = 19,046
Temple 2010 average attendance = 20,515

I guess you got us on that one....In a town with 1,500,000 more people, you were able to draw per game 1,500 more butts to your seats. Way to go, Temple! Class of the MAC!
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Posted: 2/22/2011 12:44 PM
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TUVideo Guy wrote:expand_more
Ok.. so what does Ohio average in attendance?
What does Temple.. a program that was flat lining 5 years ago average?
What are the hopes for the future of Ohio football? New Stadium?  New Conference?  Bringing decent teams into Athens?

Or are you forever stuck in the dismal hell of MAC sports?


People on here always talk about getting out of the MAC every time conference expeansions come up, but I don't see it happening. A few good years in football following decades of being terrible doesn't really have the bigger conferences coming after you. Of course, our basketball tradition is better, and our volleyball team has been competing on a national level for most of a decade now. We have a basketball facility good enough for something bigger, but our stadium capacity for football is just over 24,000. So I think we're stuck for a good while. It also majorly limits what teams will play in Athens. We're just hoping Frank can keep a winning tradition going and that will bring the fans out and then after time, maybe something better will be in the future.
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Posted: 2/22/2011 12:48 PM
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Ok.. so what does Ohio average in attendance?
What does Temple.. a program that was flat lining 5 years ago average?


Ohio 2010 average attendance = 19,046
Temple 2010 average attendance = 20,515

I guess you got us on that one....In a town with 1,500,000 more people, you were able to draw per game 1,500 more butts to your seats. Way to go, Temple! Class of the MAC!
Not to mention their average would be right around ours if not for all the Villanova fans who came in for that game.
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Posted: 2/22/2011 2:18 PM
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Cant wait til next year when they gloat about their attendance, inflated by Notre Dame and Penn State fans.

This isn't even about attendance, it's about how you use an NFL stadium 10 miles from your campus for your home games, we use a modest stadium in the middle of our campus, which happens to be in the middle of nowhere.  This is why ND & Penn State are playing at Temple but not Ohio.  It's pretty simple.
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Posted: 2/22/2011 3:35 PM
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Just so I'm clear... a program that was kicked out of a major conference, was on life support 5 years ago.. in major market city with TONS of things to do on a Saturday fall afternoon... still draws better than Ohio?

If you're happy with Ohio football at present.. more power to you.. I for one like knowing that Penn State, Maryland and Notre Dame will come play my team call the numbers inflated if you want... attendance is attendance.

My team will be on NBC twice this decade... so don't bash us for what you don't/won't/can't have.
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Posted: 2/22/2011 3:45 PM
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Looks like I have been banned from Hawktalk (OH) for pointing out that the lowly Drexel Dragons ran roughshod over the MAC's top basketball team. So, you know what this development means, kitties....
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Posted: 2/22/2011 4:20 PM
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My team will be on NBC twice this decade... so don't bash us for what you don't/won't/can't have.


You know what your team won't be on?  Bowl Week.
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Posted: 2/22/2011 4:27 PM
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Just so I'm clear... a program that was kicked out of a major conference, was on life support 5 years ago.. in major market city with TONS of things to do on a Saturday fall afternoon... still draws better than Ohio?

If you're happy with Ohio football at present.. more power to you.. I for one like knowing that Penn State, Maryland and Notre Dame will come play my team call the numbers inflated if you want... attendance is attendance.

My team will be on NBC twice this decade... so don't bash us for what you don't/won't/can't have.


The only thing Temple has on Ohio is that they play in a bigger stadium (with no more people in the seats except when people come to watch the OTHER team). Toledo had a "home" game against Ohio State in Cleveland. That's pretty much what Temple is getting. There will be more people cheering for Notre Dame, and it's not even on Temple's campus, so is it really a home game anyway?
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Posted: 2/22/2011 5:05 PM
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it's not even on Temple's campus, so is it really a home game anyway?[/QUOTE]

Exactly so shouldn't the title of the thread be changed to " Notre Dame to Play at Lincoln Financial against Temple"??

Fri. 11/27/09 Bobcats  at Ohio              Lost 35-17
Tue. 11/16/10
8:00 p.m. ET		 BobcatsOhio                Lost 31-23
 

IMO I don't give a 2 $h!ts who you play and where you play them or how many fans are in the stands. The fact of the matter is that you can't win the games when they matter most. (See Above)  That's why Owl fans get to spend their holidays watching 30 some bowl games, in which not one features the mighty temple owls...  Also you can't constitute attendance as good when 75% of the spectators are their to watch the visiting team at "YOUR HOME FIELD"... Also if Lincoln Financial is so generous to let the Owls play their home games their why can't they get the benefit of having their crappy " T" placed at the middle of the field or some endzone graphics so give the owls that real sense of home field advantage??  I noticed that last fall when we were waxing their A$$es all over "their" field...

Also this is something I've been wondering.  It's slight temple bashing, but also a serious question I have.   With each Temple game that is played at Lincoln Financial, do they actually make a profit when they play in the facility??  I just don't see how the costs to operate the facility of that magnitude can possibly break even when a mediocre temple team plays there. 

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Posted: 2/22/2011 5:18 PM
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TUVideoguy- In response to your question about Ohio State, something you have to realize is that they will NEVER play an in state opponent on the road (the trip to Cleveland doesn't count), not even a Big East opponent Cincinnati.  The reason?  $$; Ohio State knows we need the money games and they have no reason to travel in state (risk reward, see why they wouldn't play Boise).

As to the attendance, put Temple and their fanbase in a community like Athens and you would have roughly the same draws.  I doubt your fans are not more numerous than ours in football.
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Posted: 2/22/2011 7:47 PM
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TUVideoguy- In response to your question about Ohio State, something you have to realize is that they will NEVER play an in state opponent on the road (the trip to Cleveland doesn't count), not even a Big East opponent Cincinnati. The reason? $$; Ohio State knows we need the money games and they have no reason to travel in state (risk reward, see why they wouldn't play Boise).

As to the attendance, put Temple and their fanbase in a community like Athens and you would have roughly the same draws. I doubt your fans are not more numerous than ours in football.
Ohio State has played UC in Cincinnati, just not at UC, which at the time only seated 30k
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Posted: 2/22/2011 10:41 PM
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My team will be on NBC twice this decade... so don't bash us for what you don't/won't/can't have.


You know what your team won't be on?  Bowl Week.


Good point.  Very good point.


Sorry, if temples played in Athens, then Athens High's j.v. would draw more fans than temples.


mh55--what?  you got thrown off another message board so now you're going to treat us to rambling incoherency and visuals that have no point?
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Posted: 2/22/2011 11:24 PM
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in major market city with TONS of things to do on a Saturday fall afternoon... still draws better than Ohio?


Did you just try to claim that being in a bigger city actually HURTS attendance?  Seriously?

I guess we should start giving the revenue sharing to the Yankees instead of the Royals.  Those poor Yankees have to compete with the Mets, Broadway, Little Italy, Times Square...Its amazing ANYONE goes to the games.
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Posted: 2/24/2011 12:52 PM
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Never been to Athens.. but yes... if you are somewhere with more options.. it's more difficult to attract people....

If you have 1 channel of TV to watch.. you're going to watch whatever is on.
If you have 50.. the viewers have more options.. so ratings will drop!

Temple is going to be on  NBC twice.....I don't care if I'm the only Temple fan in the Linc... Temple is bringing Notre Dame, Penn State and Maryland to the Temple home stadium.

Ohio brings Gardner Webb..

Bowl games? Sure I want to win a bowl game.... but I REALLY want to win a BCS bowl game.  The MAC isn't enough.
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Posted: 2/24/2011 1:51 PM
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So a city of 21,000 people should have a larger crowd for a football game than one with 1.5 million ?    Really?  Are you sure you want to make that claim?  That's not only ridiculous but also so completely asinine that I'm having a hard time believing that you actually presented it as if you believe it.  Speaks volumes about that prestigious Temple education.
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Posted: 2/24/2011 3:24 PM
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It's easy being a little envious of playing teams like Temple will play.  So at least do us a favor and beat them so that when we play you later and kick your behinds again than we can chant, "WE'RE the TEAM that beat the team that beat Notre Dame."

Since the facility in Columbus is named after us, what is the financial outlook on taking a home game and moving it to Columbus and play Notre Dame?  Sell 60,000 seats at $60 bucks.  Give Notre Dame $2 million, OSU $half million rent/expenses and Ohio comes away with $1.1 million payday along with the victory!  With all the ND fans coupled with Ohio fans spending the night on an off weekend with the Bucks playing away,  the convention bureau might guarantee a chunk of the front monies knowing it will put bodies in beds and mouths in restaurants around the capitol city.  


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Posted: 2/24/2011 3:31 PM
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Bowl games? Sure I want to win a bowl game.... but I REALLY want to win a BCS bowl game.  The MAC isn't enough.


You want to win a bowl game?  They don't teach about the proper order of carts and horses in Philadelphia, do they?
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Posted: 2/25/2011 12:12 PM
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Why in the world do we keep having the same conversation with these two?  TU Video Guy sounds more like the vacuum that is MH55 every day.  They both suffer from the same baseless sense of self entitlement that 95% of the Temple fan base does.  Logical conversation here is not an option...
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Posted: 2/25/2011 4:34 PM
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Now, now Im sure people come from blocks away to see how much runnin the Bulldogs do
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Posted: 2/25/2011 8:26 PM
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Probably more will come to the G-W game than came to see five out of six Temps home games last year.  They drew 123,000 total, but 30,000+ of that was Villanova.  For the other five, an average of 18,000 -- about average for a MAC school.  At least 99% of the fans at the G-W game will be wearing Green; you can probably count the number of cherry reds at the PSU game on one hand.

We all know that Temps is just biding its time until a Big 6 conference comes knocking.  Don't hold your breath on the Big Least or the Big Tweleven (Temps is neither a Leader nor a Legend).  They want the ACC, but they'd get killed in football and basketball, so that's probably out.  Maybe they could settle for CUSA.  East Carolina, Alabama-Birmingham and Southern Miss should be huge draws.
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MH55 is the Sarah Palin of MAC message boards, it used to be fun to point out his woeful ignorance, but now its just tiresome.

And once again a little thing like facts get in the way of a lame rebuttal. numbers from last season-

Temple hosted Big East Champ, BCS bowl participant, regional rival, UCONN.
attendance- 18,702 


Ohio hosted Division II Wofford from nowheresville Carolina.
attendance- 22,955

bag on our OOC all you want, but look at how pathetic Temple's fan base is that more fans showed up to watch Ohio play a DII school in the middle of nowhere than showed up to watchTemple v UCONN in an NFL stadium in one of the coutry's most heavily populated cities.

p.s. when UCONN came to Athens a year earlier 24,617 "came from blocks away" to watch the game.
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Posted: 2/26/2011 11:31 AM
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Just so I'm clear... a program that was kicked out of a major conference, was on life support 5 years ago.. in major market city with TONS of things to do on a Saturday fall afternoon... still draws better than Ohio?


This logic is amazing.
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Posted: 2/26/2011 12:21 PM
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And Temple stomped on Big East Champ UConn. Ohio lost........again

I went back 30 years before I gave up looking for the last time Ohio beat a BCS team with a winning record...

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Speaking of losing...

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