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Posted: 4/26/2011 1:44 PM
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You'd think at some point they'd learn that cover-ups are always found out. Tressel's going to take the fall for this, but it's gutless Gene Smith who's really to blame. Tressel wouldn't have tried to protect his players if Smith hadn't created an atmosphere allowing noncompliance.

But what pisses me off about all this is last year's game. With Pryor in the game, it was 41-0 A&M; without him, it was 7-2 Bobcats. A&M's winning streak against MAC and in-state teams now needs an asterisk.


Get real! The game was also 41-0 and OSU was playing with back-ups. Not saying it still would have been 41-0 or close to that, but we got our butts kicked by Kent State and Troy, what reason do you have to think we would have preformed well on the field against OSU?


What would the score be if they didn't cheat?
I am not a soothsayer, however I will sumize that unless we were sitting at 11-1 or something stellar we do not have much of an argument towards this end. Seriously though if you want to argue that Ohio would have beaten OSU without those 5 players, in the same season that we got bitch-slapped by Kent State, go ahead, and when you get back to Kansas Dorthy....
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Posted: 4/26/2011 1:47 PM
BattleCat wrote:expand_more
You'd think at some point they'd learn that cover-ups are always found out. Tressel's going to take the fall for this, but it's gutless Gene Smith who's really to blame. Tressel wouldn't have tried to protect his players if Smith hadn't created an atmosphere allowing noncompliance.

But what pisses me off about all this is last year's game. With Pryor in the game, it was 41-0 A&M; without him, it was 7-2 Bobcats. A&M's winning streak against MAC and in-state teams now needs an asterisk.


Get real! The game was also 41-0 and OSU was playing with back-ups. Not saying it still would have been 41-0 or close to that, but we got our butts kicked by Kent State and Troy, what reason do you have to think we would have preformed well on the field against OSU?


What would the score be if they didn't cheat?


I am not a soothsayer, however I will sumize that unless we were sitting at 11-1 or something stellar we do not have much of an argument towards this end. Seriously though if you want to argue that Ohio would have beaten OSU without those 5 players, in the same season that we got bitch-slapped by Kent State, go ahead, and when you get back to Kansas Dorthy....


The point flying over your head goes WHOOSH!
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Posted: 4/26/2011 1:49 PM
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It's a good thing Herbie had already decided to move his family to safer pastures...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/26/kirk-herbstreit-on-jim-tr_n_853846.html


Disgrace to Columbus and OSU that he felt he had to leave in the first place.  Just bounced through the OSU board.  Amazing that folks are defending Tressell.  Feeling he had no reason to go to compliance, the old "but the SEC" chatter.  As everyone knows, it's the cover-up that kills you.  Tressell is gone.  As I mentioned in the other thread, he will resign under the "I love my guys too much to be a distraction" banter. That way the forever faithful can make him (and the program) out to be the victim.  The program can act like it too k extreme measures for a "rogue incident".   Behind doors with the NCAA the administration can point to his exit as "controlling."  And he can get a gig on TV paying big bucks.  Of course, the players still get suspended.
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Posted: 4/26/2011 2:40 PM
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It's a good thing Herbie had already decided to move his family to safer pastures...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/26/kirk-herbstreit-on-jim-tr_n_853846.html


Disgrace to Columbus and OSU that he felt he had to leave in the first place.  Just bounced through the OSU board.  Amazing that folks are defending Tressell.  Feeling he had no reason to go to compliance, the old "but the SEC" chatter.  As everyone knows, it's the cover-up that kills you.  Tressell is gone.  As I mentioned in the other thread, he will resign under the "I love my guys too much to be a distraction" banter. That way the forever faithful can make him (and the program) out to be the victim.  The program can act like it too k extreme measures for a "rogue incident".   Behind doors with the NCAA the administration can point to his exit as "controlling."  And he can get a gig on TV paying big bucks.  Of course, the players still get suspended.


Yeah "But the SEC..." 

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/03/30/allegations-of-money-sex-during-recruits-visit.html?sid=101


"In an HBO Real Sports production on the fiscal hypocrisy of major college sports, set to air tonight, McClover - a defensive end from Fort Lauderdale, Fla. - details how he was swayed to Auburn by a big-money payment late in the recruiting season. But he also alleges that there were "money handshakes" from unknown people during recruiting visits to Ohio State, Michigan State and Louisiana State and that his OSU official visit not only netted him about $1,000, but also included sex."
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Posted: 4/26/2011 2:58 PM
JSF - you will probably be the 1st one to have shirts printed up about OU's great victory in 2010! I can see it now, you will probably borrow a line from Gordon Gee and claim the game the greatest victory in OU history.
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Posted: 4/26/2011 3:07 PM
That's the best you could do?  Not your best effort.  Maybe next time.
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Posted: 4/26/2011 3:09 PM
A lot of people out here think that O.S.U. is trying to work out  a deal with Tressel where he falls on his sword and takes all the blame for the incident and swears that he didn't tell the A.D. or anyone else.

I do think that if (when ?) he does step down,he may be in the broadcast booth for a short time,but he'll end up in the pros.
Given the support  a lot of people in Ohio are expressing for Tressel he could end up as the head coach in Cleveland or Cincy. 

 
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Posted: 4/26/2011 3:32 PM

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I wonder the same thing.  Sure, they get better talent overall, but are we really competing on a level playing field?  At the Parkersburg Caravan last week, Jim Schaus made a point that I am really proud of.  Ohio is one of only 17 D-1 schools to never receive a major rules violation from the NCAA.  We may not always agree with the rules, but they are meant to apply evenly across all schools.  I think it is a great lesson to teach our student athletes that honor and integrity count.  We can play by the rules and still win.  As Warren Buffett said about the financial institutions that had operated for years with no ethics or oversight, "It is easy to see who is swimming without any clothes when the tide rolls out." 

Some of the more - ahem - senior bobcatattackers might be aware of the situation that I am about to relate. 

What you said about Ohio being 1 of only 17 D-1 schools to not receive a major rules violation is accurate - but only technically. 

Back in the 1970s, two Ohio coaches were involved in a grades cheating violation.  Ohio discovered the misdeeds and self-reported the violations to the NCAA.  Ohio fired the two coaches.  The NCAA was satisfied with that punishment. 

At that time, if a school self-reported a violation and if the NCAA was satisfied with the self-imposed penalty, no public announcement was forthcoming.  You can see the logic in that policy.  It didn't chill a school's propensity to self-report.

Later the NCAA changed its policy.  It decided it would publicly announce all violations, even those that were self-reported and even if it was satisfied with the school's self-imposed penalty.  You can also see the logic in that policy: let's be a more transparent organization. 

(Af this juncture, let me observe that many fans, OSU and otherwise, fail to keep in mind that the NCAA is a member-driven organization.  No school is forced to join the NCAA.  But once a school does, it agrees to abide by the rules.  NCAA staff in fact then represents member schools.  So the NCAA is not really  "they."  Instead it is "us.")

When the NCAA changed the above policy, it made another decision: violations that occurred before the change would not be publicly available.  You can see the logic there as well.  While Ohio's violations are not publicly available, I don't know if they were actually expunged from NCAA records when the policy was changed.

Ohio fans still can be proud that during the last 30 years no major violations have been discovered.  Not many schools can say that. 

A month or so ago, I read a piece in USA Today that reported that of the BCS football programs, only two haven't been found to have committed major violations.  Stanford is one and I forget the other.  That's really sad; turn that stat around and it means that all but two have committed major violations. 

 

 

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Posted: 4/26/2011 4:40 PM
This is a great story to follow. I think many have made some great points.
As to the end result, I wouldn't be surprised if they work out an agreement for his resignation with some $$$$$$$ attached so as to not to hurt the school's name and at the sametime ensure that they don't get themselves into another O'Brien embaressement with a lost court case.
If the school decides to wait for the August hearing then this story will smolder till August and the school will only continue to get bad press. There is also the possibility that all other athletic issues will be surfaced by the media, the old pile on concept.
How will boosters react? Are the big donors calling and pressuring Gee? Will this issue grow to become a major distraction in the every day lives of the people envolved at the university?
Being that football is everything at OSU this is a huge issue for the university.




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Posted: 4/26/2011 6:03 PM
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This could have ramifications all the way up to E. Gordon.  if Smith knew (which I suspect he did), then the entire athletic department takes a huge hit, and Gee could be caught up in the maelstrom.  I love that word, maelstrom.


Yes, Coach T might fire him before he can fire the coach! 
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Posted: 4/26/2011 6:24 PM
I am highly skeptical that "the" will see the vest leave.   I just can't get my arms around that one.  I'm not losing any sleep over this and am not getting all worked up about it.  I'll just see what happens when it happens.
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Posted: 4/26/2011 7:06 PM
I am amazed that gee spoke of the full disclosure Tressel confessed in their meeting, yet this trickle of previously undisclosed instances continues with a new communication being unveiled almost daily.

And I believe the New York Times had an easier task in getting the Pentagon Papers than the Columbus Dispatch has had in getting access to university records.

I'll believe Tressel leaves when it happens. And I don't see how a good investigation doesn't take down the AD and President.
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