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Posted: 4/25/2011 1:17 PM
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-ohiost...

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP)—In a sharply worded rebuke of Ohio State’s Jim Tressel, the NCAA on Monday accused the 10-year coach with withholding information and lying to keep Buckeyes players on the field who had accepted improper benefits from the owner of a tattoo parlor.

In a “notice of allegations” sent to the school, the NCAA said Monday that the violations relating to the coach are considered “potential major violations.”

Ohio State was not cited for the most serious of institutional breaches since Tressel hid information from his superiors for more than nine months. The university has 90 days to respond to the ruling body of college sports’ request for information before a scheduled date before the NCAA’s committee on infractions on Aug. 12 in Indianapolis.


The NCAA could accept Ohio State’s suggestion of sanctions—the five-game suspension and the fine—or could levy much more severe penalties. Since the NCAA says that Tressel knowingly used ineligible players, it would seem probable that the 2010 regular season would be vacated—ending the Buckeyes’ run of Big Ten titles at six in a row. The NCAA could also come down hard on Tressel, compelling Ohio State to add to Tressel’s suspension or issue sanctions leading to the school firing him.
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Posted: 4/25/2011 2:41 PM
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Any other school and Tressel would have been long out of there. What a corrupt, worthless excuse for a university (tOSU).
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Posted: 4/25/2011 2:58 PM
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It just keeps getting better...

"The Columbus Dispatch reported Monday that Tressel went on to exchange at least 12 emails with Cicero, and also had numerous lengthy telephone conversations with Sarniak over the weeks and months ahead."

There is simply no way he went to these lengths without notifying the Compliance / AD's office...

Can you say Lack of Institutional Control?  Repeat Offender? (Yes this violation took place within the 5 year probationary period from their last Major Violation)

The smackdown the NCAA gave USC for something they "should" have known about will dictate a firestorm for A&M...
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Posted: 4/25/2011 3:11 PM
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http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/04/25/0425-more-emails-from-tressel-released.html?sid=101

"Ohio State officials have yet to provide several months of phone logs for both Tressel and Smith and all emails to and from Pryor's mentors that were requested by The Dispatch in March. University officials also said that they do not have access to text messages sent via cell phones."

Now there's a coincidence... 

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Except for a couple of rogue Bobcats, my wife's family is dominated by osu fans. At Easter dinner yesterday, Tattoo-gate was the dominant conversation topic. Even among the most die-hard, Kool-Aid drinking Buckeye fans in the family, there were two points that weren't even up for debate: (1) Gene Smith knew, and (2) Tressel is lying. My wife's cousin, who was a player for osu a couple of years ago, said that he has absolutely zero doubt that Smith knew and is convinced that Tressel is taking the heat to save as much of the program as possible.

This is going to hit osu in the pocket book too. Those same die hards that haven't missed a game since the late 80s are not renewing their season tickets this year (and it sounds like they're not the only ones...apparently osu has sent them at least 3 "We're serious this time...this is your final chance!!!" letters extending the renewal deadline). There is a real opportunity for us to grab some market-share.
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ESPN today makes the NCAA comments appear much more serious than the local papers. It seems that coach signed a paper that said he has complied with all NCAA rules. This document clearly show he has lied. This was signed in Sept. and therefore could make last season and their bowl victory all for naught.
Tressel is in real trouble, more than the university. 
Based upon the evidence noted in today's article he has verbally and in writting lied. It was also noted earlier in this case that his contract specifies that he must live by the letter of NCAA rules. 
When you add all this togther it would appear that the deck is stacked against Tressel. 
Unless some kind of very compelling evidence can be brought forward to dispute this evidence, at the August 12th NCAA hearing, one must think that Ohio State will be looking for a new football coach prior to the start of next season. 
The name of this university must play a more important role than 1 coach.
What a shame for someone who had so much success to throw all that away because he did not do the right thing on that day back in April 2010. Had he done the right thing this issue would never have gotten to this point and his name would be held in much higher regard.
What would cause Tressel to make this decision..........MONEY? EGO? POWER? ALL 3?
He will have much time to contemplate why he made the decision he made back on that day in April 2010, while he is watching the Buckeyes play next year, on TV, from his home.


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Posted: 4/25/2011 9:41 PM
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From the Akron BJ:

"According to the Dispatch, of the 13 previous head coaches who violated bylaw 10.1 since 2006, only one kept her job. The others either resigned or were fired."
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Get the OSWho T-shirts ready - IF the NCAA vacates the 2010 NOSU season we get a "much not deserved" win.

Didn't they learn anything from Nixon - the cover-up is always worse than the crime. I think this goes deeper into the athletic dept than just Tressel though. This should get more and more interesting. How freakin stupid.

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Posted: 4/25/2011 9:50 PM
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Interesting mention of Nixon; I was thinking there are some parallels to Watergate in this situation.  I'm just not sure who "Nixon" is in this situation.
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Posted: 4/25/2011 9:54 PM
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The only way we get a win is if OSU "forfeits." If they "vacate" the win, we still lose but they don't win. I'd say it's not probable that the NCAA eventually rules the games as forfeits (using USC and Alabama as barometers), but the NCAA did allege that Tressel "knowingly" played ineligible players, which is pretty rare. Most of the time the violations are found out by the coaches/schools after the seasons are played.

I think the most probable scenario is OSU final 2010 record will be 1-12, with the only win in the Sugar Bowl. So ridiculous it makes you laugh.
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Posted: 4/25/2011 9:57 PM
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I wonder if PutnamField is busy searching the Franklin County court records?
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Mike, I can see them vacating the Sugar Bowl win as well. The NCAA based letting the Tattooers play based on input from OSU. While I thought the NCAA was feckless in deciding to suspend them starting with the 2011 season and the NCAA looked pathetic in letting them play in the Sugar Bowl.

That said, the NCAA, without the heat of the Sugar Bowl officials and the TV networks worrying about bowl ratings over, can easily use the "we were duped" defense and say had we known that Tressel was lying to us at that time, we may have even declared Tressel and the players IF not the entire program ineligible from participating in the Sugar Bowl. They have a very easy out now to vacate all NOSU wins from last year including the "tainted" bowl win. 
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Posted: 4/25/2011 10:09 PM
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Mike, I can see them vacating the Sugar Bowl win as well. The NCAA based letting the Tattooers play based on input from OSU. While I thought the NCAA was feckless in deciding to suspend them starting with the 2011 season and the NCAA looked pathetic in letting them play in the Sugar Bowl.

That said, the NCAA, without the heat of the Sugar Bowl officials and the TV networks worrying about bowl ratings over, can easily use the "we were duped" defense and say had we known that Tressel was lying to us at that time, we may have even declared Tressel and the players IF not the entire program ineligible from participating in the Sugar Bowl. They have a very easy out now to vacate all NOSU wins from last year including the "tainted" bowl win. 


Perhaps. I really can't remember a similar case with such solid evidence of a head coach covering up a player's ineligibility through an entire season, so who knows how they will rule.
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Posted: 4/26/2011 9:29 AM
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71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
What would cause Tressel to make this decision..........MONEY? EGO? POWER? ALL 3?


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What would cause Tressel to make this decision..........MONEY? EGO? POWER? ALL 3?


Gene Smith


Yep. The Columbus cultural bubble is so insulating, it would be easy for Smith to convince Tressel that nothing major will happen (i.e., no job loss) as long as they keep their story straight. After all, it's Ohio State...THE Ohio State...no one questions the authority of THE Ohio State.... I mean, look at how little they did to Auburn and Cam Newton, and that's just little ol' AUBURN, who shows up and makes waves on the national scene once a decade....this is THE Ohio State we're talking about, a perennial powerhouse and shaper of destinies. Just ride this little storm out and it's back to business as usual.....

It will be very interesting to see what songs are sung if/when the hammer falls.
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This could have ramifications all the way up to E. Gordon.  if Smith knew (which I suspect he did), then the entire athletic department takes a huge hit, and Gee could be caught up in the maelstrom.  I love that word, maelstrom.
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You'd think at some point they'd learn that cover-ups are always found out.  Tressel's going to take the fall for this, but it's gutless Gene Smith who's really to blame.  Tressel wouldn't have tried to protect his players if Smith hadn't created an atmosphere allowing noncompliance.

But what pisses me off about all this is last year's game.  With Pryor in the game, it was 41-0 A&M; without him, it was 7-2 Bobcats.  A&M's winning streak against MAC and in-state teams now needs an asterisk.
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You'd think at some point they'd learn that cover-ups are always found out.  Tressel's going to take the fall for this, but it's gutless Gene Smith who's really to blame.  Tressel wouldn't have tried to protect his players if Smith hadn't created an atmosphere allowing noncompliance.

But what pisses me off about all this is last year's game.  With Pryor in the game, it was 41-0 A&M; without him, it was 7-2 Bobcats.  A&M's winning streak against MAC and in-state teams now needs an asterisk.


Get real!  The game was also 41-0 and OSU was playing with back-ups.  Not saying it still would have been 41-0 or close to that, but we got our butts kicked by Kent State and Troy, what reason do you have to think we would have preformed well on the field against OSU?
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You'd think at some point they'd learn that cover-ups are always found out.  Tressel's going to take the fall for this, but it's gutless Gene Smith who's really to blame.  Tressel wouldn't have tried to protect his players if Smith hadn't created an atmosphere allowing noncompliance.

But what pisses me off about all this is last year's game.  With Pryor in the game, it was 41-0 A&M; without him, it was 7-2 Bobcats.  A&M's winning streak against MAC and in-state teams now needs an asterisk.


Get real!  The game was also 41-0 and OSU was playing with back-ups.  Not saying it still would have been 41-0 or close to that, but we got our butts kicked by Kent State and Troy, what reason do you have to think we would have preformed well on the field against OSU?


Because without Pryor in the game, the A&M offense resembled the Marx Brothers.  Bauserman was an oaf -- even when he was in with the first unit.  Pryor is the straw that stirs the drink; without him, A&M is nothing.
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What would cause Tressel to make this decision..........MONEY? EGO? POWER? ALL 3?


Gene Smith


Yep. The Columbus cultural bubble is so insulating, it would be easy for Smith to convince Tressel that nothing major will happen (i.e., no job loss) as long as they keep their story straight. After all, it's Ohio State...THE Ohio State...no one questions the authority of THE Ohio State.... I mean, look at how little they did to Auburn and Cam Newton, and that's just little ol' AUBURN, who shows up and makes waves on the national scene once a decade....this is THE Ohio State we're talking about, a perennial powerhouse and shaper of destinies. Just ride this little storm out and it's back to business as usual.....

It will be very interesting to see what songs are sung if/when the hammer falls.


The more I hear about this whole thing, the more I sit back and wonder if this isn't the answer to the question "How can Ohio State hire Urban Meyer without firing Jim Tressel?"
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What truly irritates me about the whole affair is the blatant, unashamed arrogance - starting with Tressel, going through Smith and ending with Gee.

Knowing what they all must have known, they played the media, the fans and the NCAA for chumps in that hastily called and infamous "news" conference.  And, they must have believed they could get away with it.

The A&M fans that I respect all believe Tress should be gone already and probably Smith, too. 
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What would cause Tressel to make this decision..........MONEY? EGO? POWER? ALL 3?


Gene Smith


Yep. The Columbus cultural bubble is so insulating, it would be easy for Smith to convince Tressel that nothing major will happen (i.e., no job loss) as long as they keep their story straight. After all, it's Ohio State...THE Ohio State...no one questions the authority of THE Ohio State.... I mean, look at how little they did to Auburn and Cam Newton, and that's just little ol' AUBURN, who shows up and makes waves on the national scene once a decade....this is THE Ohio State we're talking about, a perennial powerhouse and shaper of destinies. Just ride this little storm out and it's back to business as usual.....

It will be very interesting to see what songs are sung if/when the hammer falls.


The more I hear about this whole thing, the more I sit back and wonder if this isn't the answer to the question "How can Ohio State hire Urban Meyer without firing Jim Tressel?"


You just blew my mind.
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You'd think at some point they'd learn that cover-ups are always found out.  Tressel's going to take the fall for this, but it's gutless Gene Smith who's really to blame.  Tressel wouldn't have tried to protect his players if Smith hadn't created an atmosphere allowing noncompliance.

But what pisses me off about all this is last year's game.  With Pryor in the game, it was 41-0 A&M; without him, it was 7-2 Bobcats.  A&M's winning streak against MAC and in-state teams now needs an asterisk.


Get real!  The game was also 41-0 and OSU was playing with back-ups.  Not saying it still would have been 41-0 or close to that, but we got our butts kicked by Kent State and Troy, what reason do you have to think we would have preformed well on the field against OSU?


What would the score be if they didn't cheat?
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I wonder the same thing.  Sure, they get better talent overall, but are we really competing on a level playing field?  At the Parkersburg Caravan last week, Jim Schaus made a point that I am really proud of.  Ohio is one of only 17 D-1 schools to never receive a major rules violation from the NCAA.  We may not always agree with the rules, but they are meant to apply evenly across all schools.  I think it is a great lesson to teach our student athletes that honor and integrity count.  We can play by the rules and still win.  As Warren Buffett said about the financial institutions that had operated for years with no ethics or oversight, "It is easy to see who is swimming without any clothes when the tide rolls out." 
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It's a good thing Herbie had already decided to move his family to safer pastures...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/26/kirk-herbstreit-on-jim-tr_n_853846.html
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