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Pete Chouteau
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Posted: 4/26/2011 6:54 PM
Meanwhile, 12 candidates for Student Senate were deemed ineligible for election. Nine of them for having Class A Code of Conduct violations. As per the 4/25 Post.

I bet none of them are student athletes.

And I'll bet the public records searches of their names is miniscule.

And in the grand scheme of things, these are people that are asking the student body to represent them.
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Posted: 4/26/2011 7:20 PM
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In fear of beating a dead horse.... A  MM or minor misdemeanor is the lowest of all citations, basically its a traffic ticket, hence the low fine. Actually some traffic tickets are alot more pricey.  MM Disorderly Conduct covers a wide range of topics....intox, public urination, open container etc. I have no idea what it was but it seems pretty minor. 

Also, on a MM you don't have to show up to court if you don't want to. You can go to APD and pay the fine anytime before your court date. Now failing to show up for the court date or not paying it before hand is silly. Just adding more cost onto a minor citation.  But its not the first time this has happened with an OU student (notice I didn't say athlete) and won't be the last. Now if APD runs into him again he'll have some explaining to do.

Now for my two cents. Bringing up and posting something that happended in February on a minor offense screams of an ax to grid against the student or the program.  Also the  "Frank the Tank" reference is just a personal attack and further evidence that there are alterior motives. Seriously, how long has it been since that DUI? The man paid his fine and has moved on. Why can't others?  He made a mistake and paid dearly in the public eye for it. As another poster stated I also may have an outstanding parking ticket. What a horrible person I am! 

However, for some on this board they obviously are free of sin and therefore can cast the first stone....at anyone and everyone.   This sermon is ended....you may go in peace.



Well done! Post more often!!!
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Posted: 4/27/2011 12:32 AM
Probably a less provocative title for this thread would have been in order. It's an overstated title, I'll give you that. Boo's character will be fine if he does fine. Instead, it's his decision-making that can be questioned from my vantage point, and I apologize for being sloppy with my language.

If people want to interpret "Frank the Tank" sensitively, that's OK but not really necessary. I've called Browns coaches worse things as I rooted for them. Solich was a uniquely successful rushing fullback in college, you know, so that doesn't have to be exclusively an alcohol reference. The use of the phrase "scofflaw element" - well, if that's over the top, it's just barely over the top. There's a semi-long list of extralegal activities and/or leniency with regard to said activities attached via public record and/or legitimate media reports to the coach and/or guys who have played for him. Obviously, that's mostly guys who played for him, not Solich himself. Maybe that's just a college football thing. Let's hold their feet to the fire in the limited way that we can, because another rash of off-field problems will not allow the kind of breakthrough season that many people are expecting from Ohio and that we're all hoping for.

How to put this another way that gets to the heart of my original thoughts? Unless something bad has happened to Boo that has kept him from functioning normally recently (hope not, don't know him), blowing off a court date after pleading not guilty to anything is troubling inasmuch as he was a pivotal decision-maker for the team last season. Getting a disorderly conduct citation is not a big deal, but having an active arrest warrant for blowing it off would seem to indicate poor judgment as he gets ready to graduate, find a job or do whatever.

I'm concerned that Solich hasn't recruited, groomed and developed a starting quarterback yet who doesn't get into as many bad situations. I question how the end of last season transpired from the standpoint of preparation and focus. I know that sounds harsh, but this is a fan site and I see this as a potential problem as we talk about what the team needs. We can't get high-major, elite-level athletes as a MAC school, so playing smart, fundamentally sound football is paramount. I simply don't believe that heavy partying, getting into pointless bar fights and sustained athletic dominance are compatible.  

No, I didn't punch any other players' names into the court records database - just Boo's because of the Courtside incident. There was no satisfactory nailing down of just what happened that night, so I was looking for new information. Sometimes charges get brought later or civil actions are filed in connection with events that didn't merit a criminal complaint. Chouteau, you can be dang sure that if I'd found any new legal action against the bouncer that had been unreported I would have posted it to this board immediately. Instead, I found a new legal issue for Jackson that combined with his no-show in court sort of cemented my opinion that we didn't have a great decision-maker in the pocket last year. Stop making this about me by concluding that I'm on some obsessive witch hunt. I've never posted anything bad about Boo before and have defended him at times. It's not a holier-than-thou thing either - I've made plenty of mistakes. But if my kid got a full scholarship and as many opportunities to network as I think a starting FBS quarterback gets, I'd expect no arrest warrants by their senior year and readiness to be criticized if that happened.

Bobcat36, I didn't "detail" anyone's "transgressions." I could've gotten a copy of the ticket Boo got and tried to do that, but - one more time - it was the contempt of court that caught my notice and that I thought merited comment. 

If Boo has been dealing with some personal tragedy, and his court appearance fell by the wayside, than of course I would feel bad for not considering that possibility in my original post.
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Posted: 4/27/2011 6:05 PM
Pete Chouteau wrote:expand_more
Meanwhile, 12 candidates for Student Senate were deemed ineligible for election. Nine of them for having Class A Code of Conduct violations. As per the 4/25 Post.

I bet none of them are student athletes.

And I'll bet the public records searches of their names is miniscule.

And in the grand scheme of things, these are people that are asking the student body to represent them.


What's your point?  
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Posted: 4/28/2011 1:52 PM
The Post had an article today on the situation.  Hilarious that they let bobcatattack do the research...  What a joke.
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Posted: 4/28/2011 2:16 PM
I wouldn't call it a joke...try telling Dan Rather that non-journalists can't make waves in the world of journalism.  

Give the kids at The Post a break.  I'm a jschool major and I don't have time in my schedule to work for The Post, but those that do find time aren't a bunch of lazy kids that don't do their research...they've got to balance school as well.  

We're all still learning, that's why we're in college.  It's easy to take potshots when you don't know how many hours Post writers/editors have to work to get a decent product out EVERYDAY.  
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Posted: 4/28/2011 2:44 PM
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I wouldn't call it a joke...try telling Dan Rather that non-journalists can't make waves in the world of journalism.  

Give the kids at The Post a break.  I'm a jschool major and I don't have time in my schedule to work for The Post, but those that do find time aren't a bunch of lazy kids that don't do their research...they've got to balance school as well.  

We're all still learning, that's why we're in college.  It's easy to take potshots when you don't know how many hours Post writers/editors have to work to get a decent product out EVERYDAY.  

Decent product?  Seems to me they need to increase their hours, because I'm not seeing a decent product on a daily basis.  This is an arrest warrant that was issued two weeks ago and was brought up on an internet message board before the "official" source runs a story...  Despite this, I saw multiple tweets touting this "breaking" news story.  The Post is not the balanced, fair news source they claim to be, and they certainly have some work to do on the daily product they are putting out...

That said, I should add that the writer of this particular article is actually one of few Post reporters I've gained some professional respect for in reading his articles...  Best reporter on the staff, IMO.
Last Edited: 4/28/2011 2:45:03 PM by The Optimist
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Posted: 4/28/2011 2:48 PM
From Boo Jackson's Twitter...

Wow, put me on blast? Take something that has so small and blow up like it was a murder trial Used to have a lot of respect for the post

 missed a court date, that I was not notified about, but everything is cleared now. Lost a lot of respect


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Again, The Post needs to do some research.  What a joke.
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Posted: 4/28/2011 2:54 PM
Here's what Boo tweeted on the subject (directed to Bakari):

"missed a court date, that I was not notified about, but everything is cleared now. Lost a lot of respect"

The article makes no mention of attempting to contact Boo, who seemingly is ubiquitous on twitter. You wouldn't think that he would be too hard to get a hold of him with his minor celeb status in town.

This stinks of another anti-athletics hatchet job or just an attempt to have something news-worthy. Sigh....

I suppose the only thing that gives me any satisfaction in all of this is knowing that there are no jobs awaiting these young "journalists" after they graduate.
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Posted: 4/28/2011 3:21 PM
There's so many cool things happening on campus on daily basis and The Post gives priority to this stuff.  Oh well.  I guess that's been the news media way for a few decades now.
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Posted: 4/28/2011 3:35 PM
It is a shame that his name has been drug through the mud over a missed court date.  Hopefully he keeps his head up and has fond memories of his time here.  I sure enjoyed his time here, wish him the best!
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Posted: 4/28/2011 7:24 PM
Gotta commend Lowery for updating The Post story with Jackson's take on what happened...  As I said previously, he is my favorite Post reporter, I do not think others would've gone to these lengths to get a complete article.
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Posted: 4/29/2011 12:21 AM
Still...gotta wonder how much effort was put in to contact either Boo or his lawyer BEFORE running the piece. The whole thing is pretty bush league.
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Posted: 4/29/2011 1:48 AM
Hoooo, alright, I didn't mean to rile everyone up.  My apologies.  

I do see your point in that they really missed on this story. 

As I said, my apologies.  I am glad to see that Boo got everything cleared up, though.  
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Posted: 4/29/2011 9:01 AM
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The whole thing is pretty bush league.


It's almost like it's done by amateurs with little-to-no experience.
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Posted: 4/29/2011 9:18 AM
Here's hoping Boo understands the majority of folks appreciate his contributions both on and off the field to the legacy of Bobcat Football...

On a related note,,,It's a sad reflection on society that the quick access to information (often without without factual basis) the Internet provides so frequently leads to these sorts of things... 
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Posted: 4/29/2011 10:00 AM
Sounds like Mr. Jackson needs a refund from his attorney!
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Posted: 4/29/2011 11:57 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
The whole thing is pretty bush league.


It's almost like it's done by amateurs with little-to-no experience.


Which of course is fine when you are writing stories about dining hall injustice, or graffiti wall freedom of speech. When you start accusing your fellow students of being fugitives then you better make sure you get it right. Google's data warehouses tend not to forget.
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Posted: 4/29/2011 12:48 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
The whole thing is pretty bush league.


It's almost like it's done by amateurs with little-to-no experience.


Which of course is fine when you are writing stories about dining hall injustice, or graffiti wall freedom of speech. When you start accusing your fellow students of being fugitives then you better make sure you get it right. Google's data warehouses tend not to forget.


Technically speaking isn't having a warrant issued for failure to appear make you a fugitive by definition? 

Like I said earlier, sounds like Mr. Jackson needs a refund from Mr. Toy, seeing how Mr. Toy was representing him, I would think the job of notifying you would fall with the attorney.
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Posted: 4/29/2011 1:24 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
The whole thing is pretty bush league.


It's almost like it's done by amateurs with little-to-no experience.


Which of course is fine when you are writing stories about dining hall injustice, or graffiti wall freedom of speech. When you start accusing your fellow students of being fugitives then you better make sure you get it right. Google's data warehouses tend not to forget.


The important thing is to tweet.  And to spend a lot of time following twits.
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Posted: 4/30/2011 3:39 PM
1. It's too easy to just bash The Post, so here's some constructive criticism. You might not want to run a story about a student-athlete's fairly minor legal problems (and handle it poorly) on the same front page where you're eulogizing a fallen teammate. The Jackson article could have waited until Williamson has been properly mourned. Also, if you're going to get on that horse so late and only after reading something on bobcatattack, then at least do a capable job that doesn't raise more questions than it answers.

www.thepost.ohiou.edu/content/jackson-states-case-resolved

Look at the headline, "Jackson states case resolved."

Look at the lead/lede paragraph and the fourth one down:

"Former Ohio University star quarterback Franshaw “Boo” Jackson said yesterday that he has paid his outstanding court fines and a warrant issued for his arrest should soon be off the books."

“'The court date was for me to pay my court fee and prove I have finished my community service hours,' Jackson explained. 'Everything was cleared.'"

Hey, Wesley Lowery, you just got chosen as The Post's editor-in-chief for next year. Nice tie, nice internships, but you're forgetting things. Defendants don't decide and announce to the media when cases are resolved. Cases are resolved when they have been adjudicated. The possible results include guilty, not guilty, case dismissed, charges dropped, charges amended. None of those things could have happened yet, because Jackson skipped a hearing after pleading not guilty in February and went AWOL until a couple of days ago! A hearing has been rescheduled for May 6. No resolution to the case is possible before then.

How did he get fined, much less pay the fine, before the case was adjudicated? How did he get sentenced to community service, much less finish his community service before the case was adjudicated?

Why did you not ask Bob Toy who pays him to represent multiple student-athletes who are, one must presume, not at all financially secure? Why did you not ask Toy exactly what the "misunderstanding" was that caused the missed court date? Why did you not ask Jackson why he would stick around a bar fight again after what happened at Courtside?

This article mostly consists of Jackson and Toy saying things that don't really make sense without corroborative information being gathered and provided by the reporter. 

I know it's harder to call bulls*^t when you don't know what it smells like, Mr. Lowery, but until you do, you should avoid making statements like this:

“I’m going to continue to … ensure The Post is the preeminent publication,” Lowery said. “We are the best outlet here, the awards on our wall prove that. We’re going to continue to serve the students and Athens.”

www.thepost.ohiou.edu/content/lowery-named-posts-editor-chief

2. My earlier point stands - even more so now that we know what the February disorderly conduct citation involved. You had a former starting FBS quarterback who was about to graduate. Three months prior, near the end of the football season, he'd been beaten unconscious after intervening/getting involved in a pointless bar fight. He missed practice time and caused a major distraction. Who knows what that concussion did for his performances down the stretch against Temple, Kent and Troy. You'd think that the one thing he would have learned from that experience would have been to stay away from pointless bar fights. But, no, there he was at The Pigskin three months later allegedly intervening/getting involved in a pointless bar fight and refusing to leave, according to police. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this team doesn't get where it wants to be until crap like that stops.

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Posted: 4/30/2011 5:44 PM
To be fair, the article also says: "Although court officials said yesterday that the warrant remains active, both Jackson and Toy insist it has been resolved."

So he's not completely taking them at their word.
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Posted: 4/30/2011 6:56 PM
Looks to me like you have a problem with the headline, not the article. And guess what? Writers don't write their own headlines.

Way to launch into an attack on someone without even knowing how a newsroom operates.
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Posted: 5/1/2011 3:18 PM
Putnamfield seems to not enjoy his own life that much..Really guy come on..Are you really researching the in's and outs of a 22 year old college student?? GET A LIFE. Unless something is issued by a news agency or its announced thru Ohio Bobcats Athletics you shouldnt be wasting a minute of your life to dig up dirt on a guy more than likely 30-40 years your junior. Lets be realistic he is not your child..why would you even CARE..and I doubt that you take the same energy and investigative skills into monitoring what your own children or even other family members are doing with their lives..ok does this not sound creepy?...Post your wife...son or daughters name and social security numbers on this board so that we can investigate their life style..better yet can we attach cams in your home that show us what you eat for dinner or if you snore and sleep on your back....NO lets not. You "randon" TROLL SEARCH FOR young men seems to be sketchy at BEST...get a life.
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Posted: 5/1/2011 3:23 PM
..someones wife and daughter (moms weekend)  passed out on court st last night in front of PawPurrs bar  shirtless  and depending on the view underwearless ..police eventually came 20 minutes later and transported the pair "home"...Putnamfield would you care to share who these people where? I'm sure you can find the police logs.
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