Applaud a common sense approach to this issue.

Question, how many self reports do we have? And per athlete we are under staffed with one full-time person for each 8 sports.

We don't know where they occured, however, I have a good amount of money I would wager that they happened in the Olympic side of things.

One person was involved in this cover up, there is at this time no documentation regarding any other official knew this was going on. If so please provide the documentation, I'd love to read it.

You make the "one person" sound like he was a simple equipment manager, assistant trainer, admin - someone that has no real impact on a program. 

We are talking about the head coach of the program.  One of, if not the most powerful programs in the country.  Paying the head coach to resign is an honorable thing to do - lol, but if you think the NCAA is going to go, "well, he is now gone, so let's just put this whole thing behind us" I think you will be mistaken.  Your coach is your program.  Hell, your President basically said the coach is the most powerful person at the school "I hope he doesn't fire me."  Your program played star players knowing that they had broken NCAA rules.  The coach lied about it repeatedly.  This is not slap on the wrist time.

Plus there is the little matter that when OSU self investigated last December they did not find/look at the checks Pryor had in his account from the booster.  Those checks (which the NCAA now has) alone are cause for major violations - and the lack of finding them (in plain site) leads others (NCAA) to feel OSU didn't look real hard.  But now I'm sure OSU will say, "we got rid of him too, so can we please just put this all behind us and move on?  We already said if we do anything else in the future we will really, really, punish ourselves."

This ESPN lawsuit for access to emails could end up getting ugly for Smith and Gee.  

You are correct it could, however, will be interesting how the court rules on this, these cases of privacy of students has had some very interesting rulings.


I still stand by my assertion that as of yet there is not that smoking gun showing this as a department wide issue. Kind of like the Anthony prosecution right now, and we know how that worked for them.

Yes the coach lied about it and that is a big deal. He lost his job and is looking at not being able to coach again for a long time (Show cause penalty) and at his age, probably will never coach again. And those star players are being punished. They all got suspended for 5 games, that isn't light, especially being star players. And while vacating wins might not seem like a big penalty, it is the normal penalty in these cases.




The NCAA has the checks? Really??? Where did you hear that? Trust me, if the NCAA had those checks then there will be another Notice of Allegations and a different response from Ohio St. Remember... these self-imposed penalties are ONLY for the Tressel cover-up.

On a side note... IF there are checks... then throw the book at Ohio St, I have no problems there. BUT people are just throwing wild accusations to the wall to see what sticks and alot of that stuff has fallen to the ground with no backup information other than disgruntled former players who have no proof and aren't willing to go on record with the NCAA.

Deep Pigskin, the ultimate O$U insider, says "USC level penalties."

Edit: FERPA is the most abused law by colleges and universities.  They use it to hide almost everything.  I certainly hope the Ohio Supreme Court believes Ohio's FOI Act trumps FERPA in this case.  I suppose they could order the release of the information with student names redacted but that would be a real cop out.  Undoubtedly, A&M will appeal any ruling impinging on FERPA to the Federal Court system.  This could be a long-drawn out mess, but ultimately, I'm hoping the Federal courts might reign in FERPA a little bit and issue some guidelines as to its appropriate and inappropriate uses.

Edit: corrected stupid typo due to Jeff's quickly spotting my bonehead typing . . . sometimes the fingers don't type what the mind wants them to.

What does UCLA have to do with this?  Do you mean USC? 

Vrable was accused of stealing 6 beers (maybe less) from an Indiana Casino, have not heard the outcome of the case yet, but I do believe there will be no criminal record of the offense.