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Mike Johnson
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Posted: 7/28/2011 7:09 PM
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It's 1999 and, as I recall, I am expecting Dan Jordan to be Ohio's starting QB.  That prospect was troubling.

Then we start hearing about this 17-year-old freshman.  Son of a gun, Coach Grobe concludes that starting him would be a better bet than going with the older Jordan.  Worked out pretty well for '99 and '00 (and likely would have worked out well the ensuing two years had Grobe not left the youngster in the coaching care of a certain successor and his maladroit staff).

So now it's 2011 and I am expecting Tettleton or Snyder to get the QB nod, and I find that prospect less than scintillating.  But what about these incoming freshmen - Vick and Bell?  Am I dreaming that one of them could show quickly that he might be more effective than the older QBs?
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Interesting thought - I have kinda been on the Tettleton bandwagon since:

 - he was described as "giving the defense fits" when running the scout team last year
 - His dad was a fantastic late-round acquisition in my first ever fantasy baseball team

While I hope that Snyder is as good a thrower as we hope, I think the qb that handles both dimensions the best will get the job. Seems like the running to passing spectrum goes Bates --> Tettleton --> Snyder, which probably puts Mickey Jr. in the drivers seat.

Oh, by the way...

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WEREN'T EXCITED AT THE PROSPECT OF DAN JORDAN AS OUR QB!!??  :)
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Posted: 7/28/2011 8:53 PM
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I watched Snyder work magic at Barberton (zing) with absolutely no line and only Ingol (fellow Bobcat) as a weapon.  The kid has an arm.
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Posted: 7/28/2011 9:05 PM
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I've been thinking about this for a couple weeks and have meant to post.  I believe the key this season will be the veteran O-Line, and its ability to move the line to allow Tettleton to roll out on pass plays.  This will be a huge benefit to allowing an undersized but talented TT to use all his skills in the hurry up offense, and throw through gaps instead of having to throw over a fixed position line.

If they can let Tyler roll out, then I think Ohio rolls the opposition on offense, Ohio remains a dual or triple threat offense and we may see the most prolific yardage/points season in Ohio FB history.
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Posted: 7/28/2011 9:10 PM
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There's a chance we might have three QBs this year.  We're going to a hurry-up offense, and its conceivable that Frank will have a different QB handling the snap on each down.  Certainly not much of a stretch after having a two-headed QB last year.








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Posted: 7/29/2011 9:40 AM
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SBH wrote:expand_more
There's a chance we might have three QBs this year.  We're going to a hurry-up offense, and its conceivable that Frank will have a different QB handling the snap on each down.  Certainly not much of a stretch after having a two-headed QB last year.


I just imagined a 3 QB shotgun set, with one in the middle, one in the HB slot, and one in the WR slot, doing the Black 41 Flash Reverse pass play that Solich likes to pull out every once and a while.

I couldn't find a highlight of the play by itself with the Bobcats, but here is one with Nebraska:
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KyleWvr13 wrote:expand_more
There's a chance we might have three QBs this year.  We're going to a hurry-up offense, and its conceivable that Frank will have a different QB handling the snap on each down.  Certainly not much of a stretch after having a two-headed QB last year.


I just imagined a 3 QB shotgun set, with one in the middle, one in the HB slot, and one in the WR slot, doing the Black 41 Flash Reverse pass play that Solich likes to pull out every once and a while.

I couldn't find a highlight of the play by itself with the Bobcats, but here is one with Nebraska:


I designed an entire offense based around 3 QB's on the field...  This entire playbook has been drawn up while I should've been taking notes. 
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Posted: 7/29/2011 1:14 PM
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I don't think it's a stretch to think that Vick could come in and win the job in August. He's clearly the best athlete at QB (I refuse to consider Bates a contender at that position) and he has the height and the arm to be dangerous. 
 
I'm sorry but Tettleton's performance during his freshman year does not inspire much hope for me. When Theo got knocked out for a few plays against Temple, Tettleton was a complete mess. His performance was Febus-esque. Unless he has made DRAMATIC improvements, I'd prefer just about anyone else.
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One essential to be a successful QB for the Cats lately has been escapability. Theo and Boo were pretty good a keeping plays alive. Bates has not been as good as you would expect given his speed and athleticism.
In Tettletons freshman year he had little poise in the pocket and always would tuck it and drop under pressure. Maybe he will be better with maturity and experience.
So I say that whoever has the most poise and escapability will see a lot of time at QB this year.
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I remember when he came in against Temple, I think it was, and scored a TD within a play or two.  At team was in the red zone at the time.  This was a televised game.  This was after Frank benched the starting QB for fumbling on the previous possession. 
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Ahhhhh....A 4 year starter...Dare to dream! 

Let's not forget about Ronnie in the chatter above...The kid was 29 & 1 as a starter...Reminds me a lot of Theo...

Man it's pretty surreal having all this talent at QB...
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I remember when he came in against Temple, I think it was, and scored a TD within a play or two.  At team was in the red zone at the time.  This was a televised game.  This was after Frank benched the starting QB for fumbling on the previous possession. 


Are we thinking of the same game? http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=293310195

I remember him coming in while we were in the red-zone. Getting sacked, and perhaps fumbling the snap. No way Frank benched Theo in that game. That was the best football game Theo ever played.
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Posted: 7/29/2011 3:12 PM
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ytownbobcat wrote:expand_more
One essential to be a successful QB for the Cats lately has been escapability. Theo and Boo were pretty good a keeping plays alive. Bates has not been as good as you would expect given his speed and athleticism.
In Tettletons freshman year he had little poise in the pocket and always would tuck it and drop under pressure. Maybe he will be better with maturity and experience.
So I say that whoever has the most poise and escapability will see a lot of time at QB this year.


I completely agree ytown! 
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I remember when he came in against Temple, I think it was, and scored a TD within a play or two.  At team was in the red zone at the time.  This was a televised game.  This was after Frank benched the starting QB for fumbling on the previous possession. 


Are we thinking of the same game? http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=293310195

I remember him coming in while we were in the red-zone. Getting sacked, and perhaps fumbling the snap. No way Frank benched Theo in that game. That was the best football game Theo ever played.


OhioCatFan might be remembering Buffalo when, as I recall, Tettleton did come in and run for a TD.
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Posted: 7/29/2011 3:59 PM
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ytownbobcat wrote:expand_more
One essential to be a successful QB for the Cats lately has been escapability. Theo and Boo were pretty good a keeping plays alive. Bates has not been as good as you would expect given his speed and athleticism.
In Tettletons freshman year he had little poise in the pocket and always would tuck it and drop under pressure. Maybe he will be better with maturity and experience.
So I say that whoever has the most poise and escapability will see a lot of time at QB this year.


His Senior film was more concentrated on big plays (arm strength vastly improved from Jr to Sr) but his Junior year film showcases a good deal of escapablility...

http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-high-school-sports/2010/07/20/ajc-super-11-candidate-sandy-creek-qb-ronnie-bell/
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Posted: 7/29/2011 4:39 PM
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One essential to be a successful QB for the Cats lately has been escapability. Theo and Boo were pretty good a keeping plays alive. Bates has not been as good as you would expect given his speed and athleticism.
In Tettletons freshman year he had little poise in the pocket and always would tuck it and drop under pressure. Maybe he will be better with maturity and experience.
So I say that whoever has the most poise and escapability will see a lot of time at QB this year.


His Senior film was more concentrated on big plays (arm strength vastly improved from Jr to Sr) but his Junior year film showcases a good deal of escapablility...

http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-high-school-sports/2010/07/20/ajc-super-11-candidate-sandy-creek-qb-ronnie-bell/


Nice find! He definitely has the escapability covered :) His throwing motion and arm strength (and perhaps size) may be what scared away other schools. The way he holds the ball in his hand is kinda weird. Regardless, it is going to be fun to see who emerges from the 5-way battle.
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Posted: 7/29/2011 7:45 PM
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ytownbobcat wrote:expand_more
One essential to be a successful QB for the Cats lately has been escapability. Theo and Boo were pretty good a keeping plays alive. Bates has not been as good as you would expect given his speed and athleticism.
In Tettletons freshman year he had little poise in the pocket and always would tuck it and drop under pressure. Maybe he will be better with maturity and experience.
So I say that whoever has the most poise and escapability will see a lot of time at QB this year.



At some point, this season would be good, the team will be strong enough for a QB to just execute the offense and avoid dong anything dumb. The athletic QB will have plays designed for him, exploiting his ability, making a DC account for him.  A team who's QB is escaping all the time won't be  a championship team.  JMHO
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I remember when he came in against Temple, I think it was, and scored a TD within a play or two.  At team was in the red zone at the time.  This was a televised game.  This was after Frank benched the starting QB for fumbling on the previous possession. 


Are we thinking of the same game? http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=293310195

I remember him coming in while we were in the red-zone. Getting sacked, and perhaps fumbling the snap. No way Frank benched Theo in that game. That was the best football game Theo ever played.


OhioCatFan might be remembering Buffalo when, as I recall, Tettleton did come in and run for a TD.


Upon further review in the theater of my mind, I believe it was the Buffalo game not the Temple game that I'm remembering.  You know all of these semi-worthless football schools in the eastern part of our conference kind of run together .  New York, New Jersey -- Buffalo, Temple -- What's the real difference?
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We are spoiled after T3 and Boo at QB. I am concerned about this year but have to believe that the O line will save the day early in the season while our QB seasons and matures.
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We are spoiled after T3 and Boo at QB. I am concerned about this year but have to believe that the O line will save the day early in the season while our QB seasons and matures.


Sounds a lot like the Austen Everson season of 2006 only with more weapons at WR/TE positions.
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I don't think it's a stretch to think that Vick could come in and win the job in August. He's clearly the best athlete at QB (I refuse to consider Bates a contender at that position) and he has the height and the arm to be dangerous. 
 
I'm sorry but Tettleton's performance during his freshman year does not inspire much hope for me. When Theo got knocked out for a few plays against Temple, Tettleton was a complete mess. His performance was Febus-esque. Unless he has made DRAMATIC improvements, I'd prefer just about anyone else.


Never thought I'd see that name again.  He could throw the ball over 50 yards with ease, however his accuracy left a lot to be desired.  It almost became a joke if the Bobcats needed a huge chunk of yards, "Put in Febus!"

It seems to me that finding a passing QB is not something that Frank (nor any other coach at OU for that matter) has been able to do.  To me, it seems that we are attempting the passing game with QB's that would seem to excel with an option type game.
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Posted: 7/31/2011 7:27 PM
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I don't think it's a stretch to think that Vick could come in and win the job in August. He's clearly the best athlete at QB (I refuse to consider Bates a contender at that position) and he has the height and the arm to be dangerous. 
 
I'm sorry but Tettleton's performance during his freshman year does not inspire much hope for me. When Theo got knocked out for a few plays against Temple, Tettleton was a complete mess. His performance was Febus-esque. Unless he has made DRAMATIC improvements, I'd prefer just about anyone else.


Never thought I'd see that name again.  He could throw the ball over 50 yards with ease, however his accuracy left a lot to be desired.  It almost became a joke if the Bobcats needed a huge chunk of yards, "Put in Febus!"

It seems to me that finding a passing QB is not something that Frank (nor any other coach at OU for that matter) has been able to do.  To me, it seems that we are attempting the passing game with QB's that would seem to excel with an option type game.


Vick might be able to replicate what coach Gdowski produced. I invite you to read his background page, see the link. Vick might be another Gdowski, here's hoping.

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=1088775
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We are spoiled after T3 and Boo at QB.



I think that proves how el crappito our QB play has been since I've set my eyes upon this program. I liked Theo - MAC solid. Boo had his moments - and the most beautifully thrown interceptions ever. Ace had energy, leadership and awe inspiring throws into the dirt to open receivers.

But saying we were spoiled by having them??? Mama mia! I contend the the overall QB play has spoiled our attendance and general interest in the program. Who the hell expects the casual fan to sit through third-rate, gimmicky offenses designed to hide our deficiencies?

If we could ever have a real, classic QB that can deliver the ball (in the air, mind you) and lead an exciting aerial assault, you will see attendance go up. Sports are suppose to be entertaining. Aerial assaults like the ones seen on national TV are entertaining. Trying to get people excited about Ohio football with this mundane, craptacular offense is like getting them excited about church. Sit down, evangelicals. I don't want to hear how your snake handling congregation is pumped about Sundays...

I do feel bad in telling you this, because I know alot of you guys like these third rate, gimmicky offenses because they probably remind you of the football played during your Mall Shop Memories days. Oh for the days of taking your best girl out on a Saturday night after watching single-wing football during the day. There's a moon out tonight, oh, oh, oh, oh....
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Spoiled after T3 and Boo?

I guess both were better than Kareem Wilson, but I don't know if "spoiled" is the right term, here....

QB play will be the biggest question mark on the '11 team followed closely by the defensive line. Several people on this board have already made arguments that the QB will only have to be serviceable and not 'mess things up'......easier said than done. Let's hope that Tettleton or Snyder turn out to be like Dan Jordan or Adam Porter....only much better.
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. . . Trying to get people excited about Ohio football with this mundane, craptacular offense is like getting them excited about church. Sit down, evangelicals. I don't want to hear how your snake handling congregation is pumped about Sundays...


I've seen a more inaccurate stereotype, but I can't exactly remember when.

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I do feel bad in telling you this, because I know alot of you guys like these third rate, gimmicky offenses because they probably remind you of the football played during your Malt Shop Memories days. Oh for the days of taking your best girl out on a Saturday night after watching single-wing football during the day. There's a moon out tonight, oh, oh, oh, oh....


Yes, that was a beautiful time . . . and there used to be a very nice malt shop on Court Street.  You're way too young, whippersnapper, to appreciate the subtleties of that era.  And, for the record, single-wing football was even before my time.  Again, you seem full of stereotypes based on a surface understanding of things foreign to your personal experience and/or your worldview. 

ALL THAT SAID, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT OF BOO AND THEO.  GOOD BY OHIO'S STANDARDS BUT NOT GREAT.  WE MUST DO BETTER IN THE FUTURE.  THESE GUYS DIDN'T SPOIL US.  THEY SIMPLY WHETTED OUR APPETITE FOR A REAL QUALITY QB. 
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