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Posted: 8/17/2011 2:17 PM
AP now reporting Hocutt approved Shapiro's access to the program
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Posted: 8/17/2011 2:30 PM
Have to take that report with a grain of salt. That lawyer has to paint a picture of hardship to gain Draft entry as the 5 game suspension and Pryor quitting school on his own is not a qualifier for the Supplemental. And we all know how shady some of these lawyers can be.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 2:46 PM
Hocutt's complicity is spreading like wildfire.

It's a good day to be me.

Complete vindication on my ongoing struggle to reveal the real Kirby Hocutt during his time at Ohio.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 2:56 PM
Edit:

Moved to the Tressel bracelet thread at the polite request of The Love...

Don't want to rain on his parade...   
Last Edited: 8/17/2011 4:45:01 PM by Bobcat36
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Posted: 8/17/2011 2:59 PM
Start another thread. This is about Hocutt.

Has nothing to do with Ohio State. One of our Former AD's has just been largely implicated in the greatest intercollegiate athletics scandal since SMU. It deserves a visible and active thread.

Mods - feel free to pin it.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 3:13 PM
Also, I want to distinguish between dishonest and incompetent.

I do not view Hocutt as a dishonest individual. He's probably not at all. Frankly, I would bet he's pretty ethical and by the book.

What I witnessed from Day 1 was a guy in over his head at a FBS Athletic Department. Basically a former college Linebacker tasked with managing day to day operations of an entity he had no business managing.

Again, I'm not saying he was dishonest. I'm saying he was incompetent in his position and it greatly compromised our Athletic Department and Programs. I only mention integrity in my initial post b/c I believe his sole role was to raise money at any cost. Turning a blind eye to situations such as these would constitute doing his job. Again, not a dishonest guy, but completely  under-qualified to correct a situation like that at the U.
Last Edited: 8/17/2011 3:15:44 PM by Bobcat Love
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Posted: 8/17/2011 3:56 PM
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Posted: 8/17/2011 4:38 PM
Love, I agree that Hocutt is "probably" not dishonest. Incompetent maybe but that speaks as well to the powers to be that hired him in the first place at OHIO. I also have to give the guy some credit though. To have catapulted himself to the U from OU, based on his very "limited" body of work here and then to be able to transitioned himself out of the U to Lubbock speaks fairly highly of his own "selling" skills, even if his AD skills left something to be desired. Landing prestigious AD jobs at The U and Texas Tech arent' to be scoffed at, Kirby must have some very impressive interviewing talents.

That Al Golden is suddenly coming to the realization that maybe The U isn't such a "golden" opportunity is amusing. It's reported that Al has said The U should have disclosed this matter to him before his hire and that's probably fair. Wouldn't it also have been prudent on Al's part, knowing the U's history, to have asked his future employers IF they had knowledge of ANY possible NCAA infractions or investigations that he should concern himself with? Seems Al could have gotten a contract written in his favor that IF the U failed to disclose such matters to him that he could have gotten himself set up with a "Golden Parachute" out and looked for opportunities at more pristine pastures.

This whole matter again re-inforces my belief that it is complete and utter folly that we think we can compete with the OSU's and THE U's in the world of BigBoyFootball. In all my many travels to Athens, I've yet to see even ONE Yacht on the Hocking!  
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Posted: 8/17/2011 5:54 PM
BobcatSports wrote:expand_more
This whole matter again re-inforces my belief that it is complete and utter folly that we think we can compete with the OSU's and THE U's in the world of BigBoyFootball. In all my many travels to Athens, I've yet to see even ONE Yacht on the Hocking!  


I don't know, that group of women in the one picture sure looks like the kind of girls you'd find in South Beach.

http://www.hockingriver.com/


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Posted: 8/17/2011 11:12 PM
Did you happen to catch the interviews that ESPN had on with a couple of former players? Rolle pretty much dismissed the guy. Sometimes this stuff just makes you scratch your head.
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Posted: 8/18/2011 8:30 AM
JSF's thought is the same one I had...Pretty hysterical that Golden is stuck in all this before he ever coached a game.  The Hocutt aspect is amusing, but he was here such a short time and as Love has pointed out about 15 times, he didn't do much when he was here.  I usually forget he was ever even here until I read one of the Love's Hocutt hating threads every few months.
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Posted: 8/18/2011 9:33 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
JSF's thought is the same one I had...Pretty hysterical that Golden is stuck in all this before he ever coached a game. The Hocutt aspect is amusing, but he was here such a short time and as Love has pointed out about 15 times, he didn't do much when he was here. I usually forget he was ever even here until I read one of the Love's Hocutt hating threads every few months.
You forget he was even here???

After he f***ed over 3 sports teams, a hundred athletes and several thousand alumni of those teams.

He is arguably the worst AD we have ever had, and that is saying a lot after Boeh.

And as for Kirby being "probably not dishonest" is the biggest load of crap I have read on here in quite a while. He was totally dishonest, a liar, in over-his-head, and anything else that could be said about him.

I have to agree with Bobcat Love, on everything but the dishonesty.
Last Edited: 8/18/2011 9:34:28 AM by OUbobcat9092
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Posted: 8/18/2011 10:17 AM
Was an interesting Yahoo article today about how the writer believed the culprit of this and all other scandals are really the officials in the NCAA.   Talked about the need for donations and the money and gifts administration officials get from TV, sponsors, and bowl games have tainted officials.  Even mentioned how while at Miami Kirby got a free 4-day Caribbean Cruise courtesy of the corrupt Fiesta Bowl.
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Posted: 8/18/2011 12:09 PM
Last Edited: 8/18/2011 7:41:58 PM by CatVision
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Posted: 8/18/2011 12:50 PM
Sports Illustrated article says the Miami should face the death penalty.  The interesting part of this story is that it was written in 1995!  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1006688/1/index.htm
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Posted: 8/18/2011 1:29 PM
OUbobcat9092 wrote:expand_more
  And as for Kirby being "probably not dishonest" is the biggest load of crap I have read on here in quite a while. He was totally dishonest.................


You will rarely see me make any negative comments about ADs and etc.  But, this is true.  He made statements surrounding the sports cuts that he knew were not true when he said them.  A more savvy AD would not have done so. 

(I give Kirby a pass on the sport cuts themselves.  He just happened to be the AD when it was decided to cut sports.  And, if the minimum sports needed to remain Div I drops below 16, then I expect OU would cut more.)
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Posted: 8/18/2011 2:51 PM
OUbobcat9092 wrote:expand_more
You forget he was even here???

After he f***ed over 3 sports teams, a hundred athletes and several thousand alumni of those teams.


I associate that more with the budget issues and pressures from athletics-hating individuals within the university than I do the AD.
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Posted: 8/18/2011 11:05 PM
To bad we had that crash.  I'd love to resurrect one of my old posts in which I said something to the effect that Kirby reminded me a lot of President Claude Sowle.  Now Sowle was much smarter than Kirby, but they both inherited a bad situation and made the worst out of it.  Sowle abolished the School of Architecture, dropped the Varsity Hockey program, was politically out-maneuvered so that the Portsmouth branch became a separate school (Shawnee State), and tried to get rid of the College of Engineering.  These were tough economic times, but his meat-axe approach and lack of "insightfulness" was very harmful to Ohio University.  For instance, his attempt to abolish the College Engineering occurred at a time when the demand for engineers was going up and the supply was going down.  Though I don't have specific figures for architecture, I suspect that if we still had that school its graduates would be in greater demand than graduates of some of the areas that he protected at time. Of course, the employment prospects of graduates is not the sole criteria for making decisions on the future of a particular program, but in hard budget times those kinds of economic considerations should have played a bigger role.  I think Kirby's approach was similar in that instead of thinking of all the options available, he simply axed things with a meat axe.  As BL has said, the man was not competent.  He really didn't know what he was doing. 
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