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Bobcat Love
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Posted: 8/16/2011 10:17 PM
I knew it.

Not named in the story, but as AD from '08 - '10, this falls squarely within his tenure.

Kirby either turned a blind eye or didn't have the balls or ability to fix the problems

I knew it from MINUTE ONE of his tenure at Ohio. I'll expect a slew of messages saying "Thank you LOVE, you tried to expose this clown on multiple occasions, but we didn't listen." The guy was an absolute fraud. Completely out of his league at a MAC school and his proficiency (or complete lack thereof) as an Athletic Director is proven by this article.

If Texas Tech has an ounce of integrity, they fire this Joker immediately for being complicit (in some way, shape, or form) in the Miami scandal. He leaves a trail of despair at ever stop, so Lubbock should know whats in store for them.

Let's face it, there are 3 options as to Hocutt's role in the scandal:

A. Had no idea this was going on, making him a passive employee with no control over his programs.
B. Knew this was going on, but turned a blind eye. Maybe the worst of the transgressions.
C. Knew this was going on, attempted to fix it, couldn't, and gave up. The best of the transgressions, but as far as we know, he didn't alert the proper chain of command (see Tressel) about the happenings

My gut tells me it was B.  Just my opinion. Based on my limited exposure to him, I just didn't see a lot of depth, integrity, or skill in the man. Certainly not enough to try and control THE U, so if you can't beat em, join em.
Last Edited: 8/17/2011 12:12:28 AM by Bobcat Love
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Posted: 8/16/2011 10:31 PM
Anyone else really amused Al Golden is stuck with this mess?
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Posted: 8/16/2011 10:46 PM
Amused in all kinds of ways.  And former Temple star Todd McNair was the asst. coach who took the fall for the USC mess. 
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Posted: 8/16/2011 11:00 PM
Buh-bye Canes.


Oh, and Mizzou hoops might want to start looking for a HC if Texas Tech starts to search for an AD.
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Posted: 8/16/2011 11:10 PM
They better hope for a national championship this year.  It's gonna be a long while before they can play for another.
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Posted: 8/16/2011 11:16 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
They better hope for a national championship this year.  It's gonna be a long while before they can play for another.


Well, they could hire Butch Davis again to help lead them through the probationary period again...

Hahahahaahhahaha.
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Posted: 8/16/2011 11:23 PM
Some media outlets are already playing up the Hocutt-bolts-town-before-the-S&$t-hits-the-fan scenario.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/31347147
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Posted: 8/16/2011 11:31 PM
As much as it pains me to say it, I essentially agree with BL's post.  Also, let the record show that I was NEVER a big fan of Kirby during his tenure at Ohio. 
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Posted: 8/16/2011 11:48 PM
WHat a read that was! Sad that this man was financing all this with money that was essentially stolen from clients, tal about insult to injury. And I really enjoyed the part about a lot of this happened on the watch of Dees who was the guy admonishing USC.....Pot meet kettle.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 12:28 AM
Quite a read earlier.  I've been known to say I don't think the NCAA will ever hit anybody with the SMU stick again, but after reading those 7,000+ words on Yahoo!, I'm suddenly far less certain.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 2:10 AM
Boring.  Couldn't care less.

I do know that it's about 18 days until OHIO visits NMSU.  That I find interesting.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 8:22 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Boring.  Couldn't care less.

I do know that it's about 18 days until OHIO visits NMSU.  That I find interesting.


I am pretty much with Monroe on this as this is no surprise. 

Having seen every Big 10/11/12 team and every ACC team in action, I can tell you that Miami of Florida fans rank right up there with West Virginia fans.  Despite all of the problems Florida State has had off the field, I have always found their fans who travel to be very nice.

On a positive note, about the nicest opposing fan was the guy from Wyoming who posted with us and came by to introduce himself at the tailgate.

As far as Golden, he was on the short list for the UVA job as he was the defensive coordinator there under Groh.  Quite a contrast between UVA the wine & brie school (wife's alma mater) and the U!

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Posted: 8/17/2011 8:46 AM
You really can't make this stuff up if you tried!

Miami's ex-AD new poster child for college football hypocrisy....

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15446543/miamis-exad-new-poster-child-for-college-football-hypocrisy
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Posted: 8/17/2011 9:36 AM
You guys hate it, but the LOVE is going to gloat about this for a long time to come.

I called it 100% on Hocutt.

* P-card scandal
* Botching of the dissolution of 4 sports
* Made ONE real personnel decision that I can ascertain
* Failed launch of the OBC points/giving program requiring multiple revisions since his departure

The guy was one laughable mistake after another. Now he has a track record of lasting only 2-3 years in a position and leaving a trail of tears. Poor Texas Tech. Plus they have to wait to find out what kind of sanctions he will garner through the whole Miami mess.

Truly one of the LOVE's greatest days! You all should listen to me more often.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 9:42 AM
Slightly more ironic than Gene Smith being considered for a similar NCAA post.  The only difference between the U and A&M is the source.  If Talbott would sing like this guy is, they'd be looking at the same level of allegations that are coming to Miami.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 10:02 AM
Have to agree with on this:

13 minutes ago- by Brian London - Golden feels duped
Coach Al Golden said Tuesday he had no knowledge, prior to taking the job that any allegations were being made. Wednesday he added he should have been made aware of the situation. “If they knew that this was percolating, I believe they had a responsibility to tell me and to tell (AD) Shawn [Eichorst]. “ Hurricanes RapidReports
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Posted: 8/17/2011 10:34 AM
Congrats to Texas Tech...

As realignment sets in, they will now have a disgraced AD connected to the biggest Intercollegiate athletics scandal since SMU.

It's a good thing they don't need a quality image in hopes of courting another conference when the Big 12 folds.

Kirby Hocutt and his trail of tears....new documentary coming soon on Lifetime.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 10:59 AM
I will never draw a comparison between Goldens'  letterman's jackets and sideline shirts and ties and another coach's sweatervests and wire rimmed glasses. I think if he were my coach, I'd be eating his schtick like an Iowa corn dog.

If Miami still plays football when this is said and done, getting Temple to the Eagle Bank Bowl will be a grade school talent show compared to what he's going to have to accomplish.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 11:36 AM
Bobcat36 wrote:expand_more
Slightly more ironic than Gene Smith being considered for a similar NCAA post.  The only difference between the U and A&M is the source.  If Talbott would sing like this guy is, they'd be looking at the same level of allegations that are coming to Miami.



Except Talbott is and has been broke for quite a while. Also, the allegations from an anonymous ex-friend included Pryor signing autographs for anywhere from $20k to $40k (nice estimate) total. Further, an anonymous country club employee spoke of  a couple players playing golf. He said OSU was contacted. The players never returned.

The Miami allegations include $50k+ payments to multiple players, smaller amounts to scores of players, numerous coaches involved, prostitutes, bounties (including to injure), and a booster who is also connected to an agent.

Antonio Henton was eventually booted from OSU for trying to buy his own prostitute. Wonder why he would bother if they were being provided for the players? Why were players selling their hard-earned awards for below FMV if they had a steady cash-flow from a booster? Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

If you know the allegations would rise to the level of Miami, why not chirp all your inside information to the NCAA?

Fools jump to conclusions. Smart people approach all claims and allegations with a healthy dose of skepticism and neutrality.

I'll sit back and see how the Miami situation plays out, but at least Yahoo provided financial documents, corroborating witnesses (some anonymous, some not), and photographs.

SI and ESPN provided a single anonymous source and they have been digging in and around Columbus for months.

Edit: Made a mistake between the SI article and the ESPN articles.
Last Edited: 8/17/2011 11:53:45 AM by Mr. Mo Jo Risin
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Posted: 8/17/2011 11:51 AM
Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:expand_more
You really can't make this stuff up if you tried!

Miami's ex-AD new poster child for college football hypocrisy....

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15446543/miamis-exad-new-poster-child-for-college-football-hypocrisy

Try this link for the article about Miami's ex-Athletic Director, Paul Dee. Looks like Hocutt is getting a free pass, and Dee will take the blame.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 12:11 PM
Hocutt declares that he left under no black cloud:

He's either a liar or as dumb as I've said he was for the past 5 years.

When your credentials for employment are that you played LB at Kansas State....pretty good chance you have no place around the business end of an Athletic Department. Absolutely terrible hire on our part. Still paying the price.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 12:51 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
Hocutt declares that he left under no black cloud:

He's either a liar or as dumb as I've said he was for the past 5 years.


Or, as at OSU, the U will circle the wagons and find one guy to take the fall.  Better from a compliance level if it is not a suit.  No question he knew as did the president.  They always do.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 1:54 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
  He's either a liar or as dumb as I've said he was for the past 5 years.


Or way smart.  After all, he has a $500K job at a BCS school and a great reputation in his industry.....
Last Edited: 8/17/2011 1:55:48 PM by Ohio69
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Posted: 8/17/2011 2:00 PM
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and a great reputation in his industry.....


Maybe so (and I have no idea how), but you can kiss that goodbye after yesterday's developments.

Anyone connected with Miami during this era will be damaged goods in the industry.

I hope he enjoys Lubbock b/c he just got a Bernie Madoff sentence to stay there.
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