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Posted: 8/2/2011 2:37 PM
We win a National Championship and this board still finds reasons to complain.    
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Posted: 8/2/2011 2:53 PM
I'm really surprised that no one has mentioned what a large misconception the meaning of the rankings are.  The rankings are based on student surveys, surveys which inherently are going to be influenced by what the survey taker wants the outcome to be.  This post is clearly the worst understanding of it:

sargentfan wrote:expand_more
Plus we also get this ranking not because we drink that much more than other schools of similar size or that much more crazy, its because we throw a hell of a Halloween party, having an amazing spring full of fests, and have a pretty nice bar scene.


Actually, we got this ranking because our students WANT to be the top party school.  Which when the PR survey comes in the mail, you report your behavior to try to fulfill the image you think of being the top party school.  Likewise, those students who want to shed the image, will report the opposite saying they never party.  OU just has a lot more respondents that want to be on top.  The only actual way to get consistent and accurate ranking data would be to have a third party observer and a much larger sample size.

What I'm getting at is that people are never honest with surveys about their own behavior, they answer based on the image that they want people to have of them.  What this really means is our students want to be perceived as the biggest partiers in the country, which for 18-22 yr olds I totally get.

What amazes me is that alumni twice that age are still proud of it.  If your employer was voted top places to get drunk at work, I doubt you'd be telling all your friends, its just not age appropriate.  I guess the appeal is in bragging that you used to be associated with what was considered cool. Like saying in Highschool I dated the prom queen or something.  It was cool at the time, and since you did it then you must have been cool, and therefore now are still cool.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 3:12 PM
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At some point, a group of these schools is going to file suit against The Princeton Review and force a disclosure of their methodology.  This is certainly damaging to a school's reputation, and we've been taking it on the chin for several years now.



Oh, yeah, because schools like Georgia, Florida and UCSB has really been hurting because of their reputations and placements.

Your idiot acquaintance who won't let their child attend is the exact kind of uptight freak we don't want associated with our university anyway.


I thought you believed in diversity. 
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Posted: 8/2/2011 3:16 PM
I like being able to say that I went to a school that's known for having a good time.  It's what I reminisce about with my friends.  When we get together after a long week at our successful careers, which OU helped us attain, we sit around with a few adult beverages (albeit slightly less than we used to) and we talk about "that one time at Pawpurrs", "Palmerfest our sophomore year", and "that night we all forgot, but are pretty sure was the best night ever".  And yes, we were irresponsible, immature people...but college is your last chance to let that all out.

I hope OUr students keep on having the best time and college experience in the nation.  Because if they don't, they'll be sitting around talking about "that one time at the library", "finals week their sophomore year", and "that night we studied all night, and was the best night ever".  Let's face it...that's just boring!!
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Posted: 8/2/2011 3:55 PM
If your employer was voted top places to get drunk at work, I doubt you'd be telling all your friends, its just not age appropriate.



These guys have no idea what you're talking about.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 4:58 PM


What's interesting is that many of those places have a pretty good academic reputation. There's not many parents that would "never" send their kids to Penn State, Illinois, Maryland, Syracuse or Wisconsin.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 5:54 PM
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What's interesting is that many of those places have a pretty good academic reputation. There's not many parents that would "never" send their kids to Penn State, Illinois, Maryland, Syracuse or Wisconsin.


Also interesting that 16 of the 20 are in BCS conferences (us, UC-Santa Barbara, DePauw and Vermont are the only ones not). So when people think of the rest of the schools, sports usually come to mind before partying. Since we don't have the sports prestige like most of the other "party schools," our party reputation comes to mind before our sports reputation.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 6:12 PM
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What's interesting is that many of those places have a pretty good academic reputation. There's not many parents that would "never" send their kids to Penn State, Illinois, Maryland, Syracuse or Wisconsin.


Great point. In fact to be considered for the party school list you have to have good academics because only the 376 "top" universities are surveyed. That's why you won't ever see Kent State on the party school list.

Anybody who thinks this is going to have a crippling effect on our reputation is crazy. There are Bobcats all over the country doing great things. Having just recently graduated I can tell you that I have friends who already have jobs with top companies and organizations throughout Ohio, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, and elsewhere. I also have friends furthering their education in grad school at Penn, NC State, University of Maryland, Arizona State, and University of Virginia. Also, I have friends in Med School at Wright State and St. Louis University and friends in Law School at OSU and Drexel.

All of these Bobcats are well-rounded individuals who definitely know how to party hard but are also out in the professional and academic world doing great things. They are independent and hard-working and they are far from "fake." I am proud to be affiliated with each and every one of them and when those companies and schools looked at their resumes and spoke with them they didn't care if OU was a party school because they saw the potential in that person.

If I am ever in charge of hiring talent you can rest assured that I will be confident that any Bobcats coming across my path will have my full faith in their abilities because I know exactly what kind of person it takes to be successful at Ohio University.

Also, in regards to the applications being down this year. Yes, they were slightly down. But that was slightly down from AN ALL-TIME HIGH the year before! And despite applications being slightly down the incoming freshmen class was the most academically distinguished that OHIO has ever seen. They set records for highest average GPA and highest average ACT score.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 6:28 PM
http://www.ohio.edu/instres/student/quartenroll/QuartEnro...

Also, enrollment has continually increased.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 6:36 PM
DayvidGallagher wrote:expand_more
What amazes me is that alumni twice that age are still proud of it.  If your employer was voted top places to get drunk at work, I doubt you'd be telling all your friends, its just not age appropriate.  I guess the appeal is in bragging that you used to be associated with what was considered cool. Like saying in Highschool I dated the prom queen or something.  It was cool at the time, and since you did it then you must have been cool, and therefore now are still cool.


Pretty funny!

A few years ago, while in grad school at OU, I worked at a food service facility on campus. I have to say that the students I worked with, while possibly less affluent/spoiled than average (and possibly less of the lunkhead persuasion), seemed like a pretty decent mix of undergraduates. There were a few students there who were smart, interesting, nice and not at all afraid to be an individual. It was kind of inspiring.

Bottom line, I wouldn't worry too much about this ranking, but I wouldn't go crowing about how cool it is either.

If you want to worry about something at OU, worry about how the R/TV Building's front entrance is literally crumbling. You could put your foot through the rotting door with one kick, and the inside steps are partially cordoned off due to disintegration.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 6:40 PM
http://www.ohio.edu/instres/factbook.pdf

Also good stuff here but the data is a few years old.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 7:35 PM
I sure wouldn't mind getting off this list.  There's way too many people out there who think the only thing that goes on at OU is drinking, and like some previous posters mentioned it gets old dealing with that reputation after you've graduated.  It's almost always the first thing that comes up whenever I mention where I attended.  The current students could probably care less, but trust me after you graduate you will start to think differently and will want to be able to be proud of your education instead of trying to justify it.  Hopefully over time the university can try to create a better balance.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 7:47 PM
DG = +1

Very good description of the flawed methodology of this survey.  It's a better job than I did earlier in this thread, because he studied their procedures in more depth.  The only really good way to do this kind of a survey would be with a random sampling technique, using all current college students as your statistical universe.  You might even use stratified random sampling methodology, with the strata being colleges of different sizes.  What you want to find out is what the college cohort thinks in terms of their perceptions of the "party school" image of schools nationwide -- not what they think about their own school.   
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Posted: 8/3/2011 2:55 AM
Every year everyone gets upset about these rankings. Only in OHIO! I guess because all the news about our school from outside of Athens is negative, administrators do not want this information out there defining Ohio University. I would suggest, if this is so bothersome, Ohio do a better PR job promoting the positives of our university. I live in Milwaukee, WI. When the University of Wisconsin - Madison makes the list of top party schools, we celebrate! No one feels ashamed for having a degree from UW. Stop letting Columbus Ohio define who we are. We know who we are - Bobcats! We play hard, and we work hard.  Yes, some jerks burn furniture during parties in Athens, but in Columbus and many other towns, they burn the town down when they win (or lose) a football game.
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Posted: 8/3/2011 8:45 AM
I'm not bothered by this. Working around MANY Miami alums, I frequently hear some wisecrack regarding this subject, but I always respond with indifference. Recently when I reminded our president of where I got my degree, he responded with the typical "oh, party school." I said, "yeah, and I STILL managed to graduate." He laughed.

More recently, I was in a position where I was recounting my background in front of my colleagues and the board of directors. As I said, many of my colleagues are Miami grads and they again taunted with the "party school" line. I responed that Miami was no different; they just drank behind closed doors. Everyone laughed and seemed to nod in agreement.

My point is this: in my experience these comments are nothing more than simple rivalry banter. If it's not the party school image, some other aspect of Athens will be used to denigrate the school. I consider it pointless, untrue, largely undamaging, and not worth much worry.
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Posted: 8/3/2011 8:47 AM
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DG = +1

Very good description of the flawed methodology of this survey.  It's a better job than I did earlier in this thread, because he studied their procedures in more depth.  The only really good way to do this kind of a survey would be with a random sampling technique, using all current college students as your statistical universe.  You might even use stratified random sampling methodology, with the strata being colleges of different sizes.  What you want to find out is what the college cohort thinks in terms of their perceptions of the "party school" image of schools nationwide -- not what they think about their own school.   


Even with better sampling, it would be nearly impossible to code responses to this query. How do you quantify a such a subjective term as "party shool" from one student to the next, and from one school to the next?
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Posted: 8/3/2011 10:10 AM

Good point, RF.  There are a number of ways to try and get around this problem, none perfect.  I would probably opted for a closed-ended question somewhere in the survey that contained a definition. This definition would, itself, be derived from previous research and focus group work with the college student cohort. This question would probably use a Likert-type scale to register level of agreement or disagreement.  Interesting correlations could probably be run between level of definitional agreement and other variables in the survey.  This is all off the top of my head, and would be subjected to much review, modification and elaboration.  The major point is that this is a complex subject, requiring the use of professional polling techniques, and that the approach of the Princeton Review is laughable. 

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Posted: 8/3/2011 10:43 AM



Special props to the South Carolina kids for the Under Armour logos...Nice attention to detail! 
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Posted: 8/3/2011 10:53 AM
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Having just recently graduated I can tell you that I have friends who already have jobs with top companies and organizations throughout Ohio, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, and elsewhere.


Hopefully these are temporary assignments...  
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Posted: 8/3/2011 11:00 AM
Bobcat36 wrote:expand_more
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I think that's the correct usage.

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Posted: 8/3/2011 11:07 AM
Thanks for the assist Ryan! 
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Posted: 8/3/2011 12:03 PM
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the approach of the Princeton Review is laughable. 



As laughable as it is, it saves money versus actually being accurate and still sells the same amount of college guides.

Side note: Telling people that it is proof of your responsibility and time management that you can attend a top party school and "still graduate" can easily be misconstrued as being that the school was so easy you were able to party all the time and still pass. Not a good argument.
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Posted: 8/3/2011 12:55 PM
Come on. To take that response, you'd have to harbor some preconceived notion about the school in the first place. I'm interviewing candidates right now, and I don't consider any party school affiliation to be an indication of the candidate's capabilities.
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Posted: 8/3/2011 1:26 PM
We have had this reputation for decades...even generations.  It was the rep back in '83 when I (and a number of others on this board) graduated.  I remember talking to someone in Pennsylvania in '82 and, during the conversation, they found out I went to Ohio.  They asked if "Ohio was such a big party school?" (they were from the Cleveland area) My answer was that every school is, if the student wants it to be.  I then discussed the quality of the J-school, Mass Comm, engineering, education, etc.  Count me in to the group that says the college should accept the reputation, but present it as a component of the 360 degree we provide.  As far as it hurting our enrollment, I see limited evidence of that. Georgia, Wisc., PSU and others that are also consistently on this list have not experienced a decline in applications.  If we are, I think pointing to a 40-year old party school reputation is an easy, and questionable conclusion.
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