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Posted: 9/17/2011 12:14 PM
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So, now what happens to the Big East?  Both the Orange and the Panthers have applied to join the ACC.  Anyone still want to move into the not so Big East?
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Posted: 9/17/2011 12:46 PM
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And TCU is probably thinking, "What the heck did we just do?" If the Big 12 implodes, however, the Big East could take some of their schools like Kansas, Kansas State, and Baylor - or the Big East football conference could simply disappear.
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Posted: 9/17/2011 2:20 PM
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Baylor and Iowa state have reached out to the big east incase the big 12 ceases to exist. 
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Posted: 9/17/2011 2:40 PM
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College Football is slowly murdering every other college sport. 
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Posted: 9/17/2011 3:11 PM
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oldkatz wrote:expand_more
So, now what happens to the Big East?  Both the Orange and the Panthers have applied to join the ACC.  Anyone still want to move into the not so Big East?


I'd say OHIO would like to go. The teams that stand to gain from the redistricting of college football are the small teams. Let the big guys join up and destroy one another. At the end of the day, there is too much money involved to start rescinding  BCS spots.

The one thing to remember about places such as the Big East is that they are such a strong basketball conference. In the event that schools start leaving, IF the Big East doesn't crumble, they will start picking apart conferences like they did once before. C-USA and MAC schools will undoubtedly be the schools that are looked at for advancement.

In the MAC alone I can think of Miami, Temple, and maybe NIU who could potentially get invites if the space is available. OHIO would have a slim shot or if the league really looses a lot of teams.

There is always the thought of getting many of those BIG 12 schools in the event that the conference also expires.

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Posted: 9/17/2011 3:57 PM
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I don't see the Big East looking to the MAC. I see them taking the leftovers from the other BCS conferences. There will probably  be several available from the Big 12 if the Big 12 goes away - Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State. BYU is also out there. And Notre Dame might finally realize they will have to join a conference, but I would see them going to the Big 10. There are also a couple teams in Con USA they would probably take before looking at the MAC, but I guess Temple would be a possibility.
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Posted: 9/17/2011 4:06 PM
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Georgetown moved to 1AA from D2 a couple years ago and are in the Patriot League.  Wouldn't surprise me if they moved up to the Big Least in a year or two.
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I don't see the Big East looking to the MAC. I see them taking the leftovers from the other BCS conferences. There will probably be several available from the Big 12 if the Big 12 goes away - Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State.
That is a hellacious basketball conference, which is probably all the Big East should try to be.
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Posted: 9/17/2011 9:09 PM
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If the dominos keep falling all the fish eaters schools in the big least will proably join up w/the A-10 for b,ball
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Losing these two markets is huge.  The seven teams left have a difficult decision. Do they stick together and add teams from CUSA and move to a more southern conference. Big Ten could be looking at Missouri, Kansas, Iowa State and Kansas State.   West Virginia could be an option for the SEC. Louisville, Cincinnati, USF and TCU could end up back in CUSA.  Rutgers and UConn could go to the ACC.  Could the MAC make a play for Louisville and Cincinnati football only letting them keep their hoops in the Big East.  MAC being with ESPN might allow it the ability to attract Cincinnati and Louisville over CUSA.       

   

     

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Posted: 9/18/2011 3:27 AM
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Rumor has it the ACC may not be done poaching the Big East.
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Posted: 9/18/2011 8:07 AM
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Rumor has it the ACC may not be done poaching the Big East.


The ACC taking Virginia Tech and MIami was the first crack in the Big East.  Interesting how this came out about Pitt and SU right after Dave Gavitt died.
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Posted: 9/18/2011 10:09 AM
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That was fast and it's official...

http://post-gazette.com/pg/11261/1175729-100.stm

So many chess pieces to move now.


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Posted: 9/18/2011 11:02 AM
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
College Football is slowly murdering every other college sport. 


I'm not sure it's even a slow process anymore.

Seems like programs get a whim overnight and -- poof! -- they're off to greener (debatable) pastures.
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Posted: 9/18/2011 11:27 AM
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Rumor has it the ACC may not be done poaching the Big East.


Wouldn't surprise me.  They've already taken Boston College, Miami (FL) and Virginia Tech from the Big Least; why not others?  They're both basically basketball conferences that are trying to be football conferences too.  Syracuse and Pitt have long football traditions (even though lately they've been down), so they'd fit right in.  USF in the Big Least never quite made sense, but I don't see them going to the ACC since FSU and MiamiF are already there.  The ACC claims to be looking for "academic" schools, so Rutgers may be a target.  WVU may be courted by the SEC.  L'ville and Cincy may be out in the cold (back to CUSA?)
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Posted: 9/18/2011 1:56 PM
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The ACC claims to be looking for "academic" schools, so Rutgers may be a target.
Rutgers and UCONN have been the names I've seen tossed around.
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Posted: 9/18/2011 3:01 PM
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The ACC claims to be looking for "academic" schools, so Rutgers may be a target.
Rutgers and UCONN have been the names I've seen tossed around.


The problem with Rutgers is they don't have any tradition in football and basketball and have an athletic department deeply in depth from expanding the football stadium. Boston College would not look kindly upon having another football program to recruit against in New England with UConn. Another thing to consider, the ACC may want to leave a couple of spots open for Notre Dame and #16 down the road. That is why they've decided to add Pitt, one of ND's rivals to cater to that potential. I think the idea of ACC country moving into the area is kind of exciting. Athens is now only 3 hours away from an ACC basketball team in Pitt. 
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The dream conference since the 60's has always been something with the major schools out East. Vern Alden wanted to be in a conference with Syracuse and built an oversized Convo for that dream. Thinking here maybe that the ACC doesn't expand for another 5-10 years should Ohio now be aiming for the ACC? ACC schools mostly have 35 to 55 thousand seat football stadiums so the Cats wouldn't be too far over there head like the Big Ten or in the SEC. As far as the other non-BCS schools, the ACC won't look at UMass because of BC, Temple because of Pitt, Buffalo because of Syracuse, ECU because of NC State. They already have Florida State and Miami so UCF is out. Miami of Ohio is too small. Akron is too close to Pitt. The Ohio football team now looks and plays like TCU with the new uniforms so we're ready. 
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Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
The dream conference since the 60's has always been something with the major schools out East. Vern Alden wanted to be in a conference with Syracuse and built an oversized Convo for that dream. Thinking here maybe that the ACC doesn't expand for another 5-10 years should Ohio now be aiming for the ACC? ACC schools mostly have 35 to 55 thousand seat football stadiums so the Cats wouldn't be too far over there head like the Big Ten or in the SEC. As far as the other non-BCS schools, the ACC won't look at UMass because of BC, Temple because of Pitt, Buffalo because of Syracuse, ECU because of NC State. They already have Florida State and Miami so UCF is out. Miami of Ohio is too small. Akron is too close to Pitt. The Ohio football team now looks and plays like TCU with the new uniforms so we're ready. 


Remaining teams in the Big East: Louisville, UC, West Virginia, Rutgers, South Florida, UConn

None of those teams are over our heads in level of competition and Ohio fits into the regional area compared to their football playing members. Ohio would need to expand Peden (Nippert Stadium at UC is roughly 35,000-smallest in Big East) but this move doesnt seem like it would be completely crazy. I feel attendance would increase with a schedule featuring these teams, and we could still play Miami and Marshall in the non conference. Ohio could join with Temple, rounding out to 8. Why not? Dream Big
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The dream conference since the 60's has always been something with the major schools out East. Vern Alden wanted to be in a conference with Syracuse and built an oversized Convo for that dream. Thinking here maybe that the ACC doesn't expand for another 5-10 years should Ohio now be aiming for the ACC? ACC schools mostly have 35 to 55 thousand seat football stadiums so the Cats wouldn't be too far over there head like the Big Ten or in the SEC. As far as the other non-BCS schools, the ACC won't look at UMass because of BC, Temple because of Pitt, Buffalo because of Syracuse, ECU because of NC State. They already have Florida State and Miami so UCF is out. Miami of Ohio is too small. Akron is too close to Pitt. The Ohio football team now looks and plays like TCU with the new uniforms so we're ready. 


Remaining teams in the Big East: Louisville, UC, West Virginia, Rutgers, South Florida, UConn

None of those teams are over our heads in level of competition and Ohio fits into the regional area compared to their football playing members. Ohio would need to expand Peden (Nippert Stadium at UC is roughly 35,000-smallest in Big East) but this move doesnt seem like it would be completely crazy. I feel attendance would increase with a schedule featuring these teams, and we could still play Miami and Marshall in the non conference. Ohio could join with Temple, rounding out to 8. Why not? Dream Big


TCU is also part of that group. The Big East still has its BCS bid and 15 basketball schools. Regardless of a move I would like to see Peden up to 27,000 seats with improved restrooms and concessions.
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Posted: 9/18/2011 9:01 PM
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Second News Flash:  NO BCS Conference is after ANY MAC school!  The resources just aren't there for any of them to make such a major jump.  And the pie already has however many teams.  The Big Boys are just rearranging chairs on the deck NOT adding them.

I say this "dreaming" that Ohio and a couple of the other "top" MAC teams would jump in.  I just doubt it.  I think the MAC and its members are happy where they are.  The only one that might move is Temple because of their location and b-ball.  And, I don't really consider them a MAC institution anyway.
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why would we want to be in the BCS, really? I understand the envy we have of the big schools with all their media hype and all their bandwagon fans in your office talking about the big game, but is it really worth it? Even if we could find a way to get 50K SEO residents to come to a football game 6 times a year are we really going to be able to invest in the facilities to accomidate them?

I like the MAC. Let me rephrase that- I like the idea of the MAC. I like the similarity and the proximity of the schools, I just wish our bad teams weren't so dreadful. To use Marshall as an example- I'd rather be like Marshall was in the MAC then like Marshall is now. They're trying to be bigger than what they really are and it isn't working.

I love OHIO and its athletics programs are my life line back to Athens, and i hope we win every game we play, but I'm ok with our school not being defined by its sports programs, thats part of the reason I chose OU over my safety school in columbus anyways.


Viva la MAC.
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Posted: 9/18/2011 9:56 PM
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why would we want to be in the BCS, really?

Money and a chance to get into a meaningful (and lucrative) bowl game.

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 I understand the envy we have of the big schools with all their media hype and all their bandwagon fans in your office talking about the big game, but is it really worth it? 


I would believe so. Increased visibility leads to an increase in support to Athletics ($$$) as well as an increase in the national reputation of the University and leads to a rise in applications.

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Even if we could find a way to get 50K SEO residents to come to a football game 6 times a year are we really going to be able to invest in the facilities to accomidate them?


Like I said earlier, Peden would have to be expanded to roughly 40 k. I dont know if this is feasible, but if it is, and we were in a larger conference, why wouldnt we want this? More attendance=more money.

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I like the MAC. Let me rephrase that- I like the idea of the MAC. I like the similarity and the proximity of the schools, I just wish our bad teams weren't so dreadful. To use Marshall as an example- I'd rather be like Marshall was in the MAC then like Marshall is now. They're trying to be bigger than what they really are and it isn't working.


I like that the schools are close to each other, but I dont like the lack of respect and prestige that the conference has sometimes. I dont want to be satisfied with being one of the same. I want Ohio to be better  than the Kent States and directional schools of the world. I want Ohio to strive to be one of the best Athletic departments in the country, not just the part of the midwest not occupied by major conference schools. We can join the Boise States and TCUs of the world.
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Penn State can cram over 100,000 fans in what is basically Middle-Of-Nowhere, Pennsylvania.  Why can't Ohio dream to do something like that 20 - 30 years down the road?
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perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
why would we want to be in the BCS, really? I understand the envy we have of the big schools with all their media hype and all their bandwagon fans in your office talking about the big game, but is it really worth it? Even if we could find a way to get 50K SEO residents to come to a football game 6 times a year are we really going to be able to invest in the facilities to accomidate them?

I like the MAC. Let me rephrase that- I like the idea of the MAC. I like the similarity and the proximity of the schools, I just wish our bad teams weren't so dreadful. To use Marshall as an example- I'd rather be like Marshall was in the MAC then like Marshall is now. They're trying to be bigger than what they really are and it isn't working.

I love OHIO and its athletics programs are my life line back to Athens, and i hope we win every game we play, but I'm ok with our school not being defined by its sports programs, thats part of the reason I chose OU over my safety school in columbus anyways.


Viva la MAC.


Great post! I think you're right on the money. I would never want to see Ohio become a proper BCS school. I'm quite happy being the best program in the MAC and giving headaches to the big boys when we get a shot at them.

I don't have the stomach for "big time" college football and I think many on this board would agree with me.
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