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Monroe Slavin
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Posted: 10/4/2011 1:25 AM

Hey' let's talk and get lame.  Let's ask for winning, good to greate football, and find any excuse to avoid. You bunch @$%&*%#$& whimps.

Get your #*&U%(#*U%#+)_*(  ass to the game.  Get there on %(#)*( time.  And $%()_*I@%() stay for the whole game and thru the 110's after game performance.

Any questions.

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Posted: 10/4/2011 1:25 AM
Or go @#() root for 'kron.
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Posted: 10/4/2011 8:55 AM

In part, low student participation at football games has to do with the perception of Ohio's place in the athletic pecking order. The casual student perceives the team to be a middle-level team that is not on the same par as the "big boys." The MAC is generally not covered by any of the national media outlets, and individual MAC teams are seldom publicized at that level.

If we want to fix that problem, we have to look at the MAC and potentially other conference affiliations to become more "big time." However, I'm not sure we really want all the baggage that goes with that change.

If Ohio Football were discussed daily on ESPN and in all of the popular web sites, than student participation at games would be far greater and would be more likely to stay through the end. As it is, the game is a relatively minor entertainment option on a campus full of other distractions. Students attend "big time" football stadiums because it's the "thing to do" and the place to be seen. Ohio Football does not have that prestige.

But again, do we really want to be big time and accept all the changes that go with that?

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Posted: 10/4/2011 11:03 AM
No. Let's just win a MAC championship.

Dammit.
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Posted: 10/4/2011 11:17 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
In part, low student participation at football games has to do with the perception of Ohio's place in the athletic pecking order. The casual student perceives the team to be a middle-level team that is not on the same par as the "big boys." The MAC is generally not covered by any of the national media outlets, and individual MAC teams are seldom publicized at that level.

If we want to fix that problem, we have to look at the MAC and potentially other conference affiliations to become more "big time." However, I'm not sure we really want all the baggage that goes with that change.

If Ohio Football were discussed daily on ESPN and in all of the popular web sites, than student participation at games would be far greater and would be more likely to stay through the end. As it is, the game is a relatively minor entertainment option on a campus full of other distractions. Students attend "big time" football stadiums because it's the "thing to do" and the place to be seen. Ohio Football does not have that prestige.

But again, do we really want to be big time and accept all the changes that go with that?


I'm nodding my head in agrement with the above.  And, we don't have the $ to go any more big time than we are right now.  And, barring some miracle, we never will.
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Posted: 10/4/2011 11:34 AM
I don't think it's too much to ask the students to come to the games and stay until the outcome has been decided.

We're not asking for 4 star recruits, ESPN news cycles and BCS type money. I agree, if that happened I would probably no longer cheer for our boys in green.

However, when the product on the field improves as much as it has (and will), it's natural to expect a proportional improvement in student and alumni interest.
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Posted: 10/4/2011 12:30 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
I don't think it's too much to ask the students to come to the games and stay until the outcome has been decided.


Does the same apply for concerts, lectures, and the other entertainment and educational opportunities offered on campus?  You can't legislate school spirit.  I've watched public high schools spend countless hours and dollars on trying to do this without success.  It's not 1965 any longer when all we had was football, basketball and baseball played by the boys' teams.  You may find this hard to believe, but I left a volleyball match this year after two games because I had more pressing matters to attend to.

No disrespect Paul, but in the whole scheme of things it doesn't really matter.  There's nothing wrong with enjoying our recent success and rooting for more and leaving it at that.  No need to sell your soul for it.  Just the opinion of a guy who can now play for senior rates on some golf courses.
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Posted: 10/4/2011 1:42 PM
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No disrespect Paul, but in the whole scheme of things it doesn't really matter.  There's nothing wrong with enjoying our recent success and rooting for more and leaving it at that.  No need to sell your soul for it.


Criminey. Yes, Alan, in the whole scheme of things it doesn't really matter. Congratulations for realizing it. Neither does football, sports, what grade gasoline you use, the color of your house, or your preferred brand of ballpoint pen. I'm pretty sure we all realize that.

But is there anything wrong with wanting things that aren't of utmost importance? To most of us, no. Is it fun to have a full stadium and a large, involved student contingent? Yes. If you don't think it's worth your precious time to talk about it, then why are you here? Some of us are here because we need a mental break from the important stuff that's always pressing in on us. Think about that. Or just keep sermonizing.
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Posted: 10/4/2011 2:02 PM
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Posted: 10/4/2011 3:02 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
I don't think it's too much to ask the students to come to the games and stay until the outcome has been decided.

We're not asking for 4 star recruits, ESPN news cycles and BCS type money. I agree, if that happened I would probably no longer cheer for our boys in green.

However, when the product on the field improves as much as it has (and will), it's natural to expect a proportional improvement in student and alumni interest.


This makes no sense to me. Why wouldnt we want to be a more high profile program?
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Posted: 10/4/2011 3:51 PM
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I don't think it's too much to ask the students to come to the games and stay until the outcome has been decided.

We're not asking for 4 star recruits, ESPN news cycles and BCS type money. I agree, if that happened I would probably no longer cheer for our boys in green.

However, when the product on the field improves as much as it has (and will), it's natural to expect a proportional improvement in student and alumni interest.


This makes no sense to me. Why wouldnt we want to be a more high profile program?


For me it's a personal issue. I prefer to cheer for the forgotten underdog. I think it's built in to my DNA. I'm fine with a top 25 ranking occasionally and a firm standing at the top of the MAC if we can get there. But If too many people are down with it...then I start to lose interest.

But of course, I'm a skinny jeans wearing hipster that did yoga during the first half of the Kent game :)

Then there's the inevitable issues with big time athletes and big time money. I'd prefer to just stay out of that. "It's just not what Ohio University Football is about." - In my best Frank voice. Notice he says "what we're all about..." all the time?

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Posted: 10/4/2011 4:17 PM
or your preferred brand of ballpoint pen.

Like Robert California, I do not use ballpoint pens.
Last Edited: 10/4/2011 4:18:11 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Posted: 10/4/2011 9:01 PM
Lock the gates after the 1st quarter.  Don't unlock them until the final whistle.
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Posted: 10/4/2011 11:21 PM
Keep on track.  Can't expect wholesale changes right away with first winning-from-the-start record in decades.

Nov 2 could be your barometer.

Keep on track.
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Posted: 10/5/2011 10:10 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11278/1179739-144.stm

Check out the WVU coach's comments about the crowd for last weeks Bowling Green game in Morgantown.
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Posted: 10/5/2011 11:01 AM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11278/1179739-144.stm

Check out the WVU coach's comments about the crowd for last weeks Bowling Green game in Morgantown.


"LSU played well in front of 62,000 of our people and then turned around and went home and played a 1-4 Kentucky team at noon with 95,000 people there.

"You want to talk about an elite program? That's one. I don't know about this place," he said.



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11278/1179739-144-2.stm#ixzz1Zv59y2jw


Rut...row....Scooby Doo.....me thinks this looks like another potential  Captain Morgantown couch burning episode....with the coach still sitting on it.


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Posted: 10/5/2011 11:19 AM
"What's everyone across the state of West Virginia doing to fix the fact our players had to show up and play against 40,000?"  -- Well, coach, in Huntington, they're hoping you only get 35,000 for UConn this Saturday.  
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Posted: 10/5/2011 12:07 PM
I'm sorry to say I don't know what can really be done to garner more fervent and committed student support other than just winning and playing quality opponents.  Unlike tOSU and other schools we don't have a student base that has a rabid interest in our sports program.  Basketball due to the size of the student section, being indoors, and the easier impact the students have on the game is the easiest major sport to support and gravitate to as a student; which has born out of the years with that program.  However even in basketball the final straw is having a competitive program.

Luckily we do have a competitive program and this year students are starting to notice this more and having a weak tOSU program this year should greatly benefit our ability to attract interest this year even when we are competing in the same time slot as tOSU.  However the key to turning our attendance issues around will be to have a consistent program that can perform at a high level.  Essentially you need to have a class that goes through their four years at OHIO with a MAC Championship caliber team every year, plus having any big non-conf wins would be gravy.  That way we keep their interest every year and their interest will rub off on the classes that come after them.  It is all about creating pattern of behavior and right now the student pattern of behavior mainly consists of caring more about tOSU and drinking.  The goal is to get their caring of the OHIO program close to that same level such that drinking is more on an equal level in importance.
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Posted: 10/5/2011 12:50 PM
I see Doc posted, but the message is good.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bbmCD
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Posted: 10/6/2011 1:58 AM
Isn't it also generational?  This year's undergraduate level graduates started 4-5 years ago.  We didn't have a winning tradition and in none of their prior years did we start off winning from the start of the season. Yeah, we've gone to a some MAC championship games and bowl games during their tenure, but we haven't won any.

This year's freshmen start with 4-1 and..............

Hopefully, this continues with big attendance thru the rest of this year and for ensuing years.

GO OHIO.
Last Edited: 10/6/2011 1:58:35 AM by Monroe Slavin
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Posted: 10/7/2011 1:19 AM
Is it possible it all starts with the manner in which incoming freshmen are immersed in the spirit of your school? What do you do currently for the incoming freshmen? Are they invited to come to the school the week before registration and given the opportunity to learn about all of Ohio's traditions and to participate in activities and meetings where they can begin to feel like an integral part of the student body?

When I first attended Cal Poly (in a previous lifetime), all the incoming students were encouraged to arrive a week early to participate in "Poly Week." During those seven days there were informational meetings where we learned school songs, found out who were the school's chief rival(s) - and what color shirts should NEVER be worn, participated in various games and activities (tug-o-wars, etc.) ... all of which led to a feeling of camaraderie and a sense of belonging. All this was led by volunteer sophomores who gave their time and effort to make the incoming students feel an integral of the student body and student life on the campus.

If Ohio isn't currently doing that, this might be something you could consider. Perhaps then the "newbies" would feel more like coming to the games in the first place. AND - if the same "big brothers" and "big sisters" who volunteered their time would make sure they were invited to the games AND LED BY EXAMPLE by staying until the final seconds clicked off the play clock, you could achieve your goal. It won't happen over night, but in 4-5 years you should have a whole new attitude and behavior by the entire student body that not only keeps Peden filled for the entire game, but creates a desire to travel "en mass" to rival team's games as well.

But I'm just an old fart ... what do I know about the mind-set of the current crop of college students ....
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Posted: 10/7/2011 2:19 AM
you think half time departures were bad before, wait till you see what a band video with 1.3million views does.
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Posted: 10/7/2011 11:18 AM
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you think half time departures were bad before, wait till you see what a band video with 1.3million views does.


Huh?
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Posted: 10/7/2011 11:45 AM
Maybe the 110 should announce a special "long-play" version of the Rock Anthem at the post game show. Think students might stick around better or that?
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Posted: 10/7/2011 11:46 AM
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you think half time departures were bad before, wait till you see what a band video with 1.3million views does.


Huh?


I think he is trying to say that there will be a group of people who may come to the game specifically to see "that crazy 110 dance to LMFAO" and not care about the game at all, therefore leaving after halftime. 
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