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Posted: 10/5/2011 10:19 AM
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We could have 18,000 students at every game for the whole game if we had the culture of an academy.  Though attendance might not be required in a technical sense, it is highly encouraged by the brass and there is also intense peer pressure to attend these games.  Think what our overall attendance would be if we got this many students at each game.  OK, that's not going to happen, but as one who saw his first collegiate contest as a 4- or 5-year old boy at USNA I can't help but day dream.  That being said, I believe the statement being made was not about attendance but that the service academies are generally in the typical year on the level of the average MAC team and not as good as a top MAC team. 



Navy would never join the MAC.  There's no benefit for them.  I love my Bobcats, but that is a HUGE step down for them.  Navy-Marine Corp Stadium sells out every week, and it's not the students who fill it.  There's only roughly 4500 Midshipment at the USNA (all required attendance).  It's 30,000+ from the community and region who support this program week in and week out. The environment has a feel of major college football unlike those of MAC stadiums.  They play the likes of Notre Dame, Air Force and Army every season, and even have a nice little rivalry with Delaware going.  Navy wins six, and they're in a pre-determined bowl against a decent opponent.  True, it's not like winning a conference, but they compete for the Commander-in-Cheif's Trophy each season, which as significant meaning here in Annapolis. 
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Woke up this moirning to learn from two seperate impeccably placed and nattily clad moles that "]["emple 
FB to the Big East is a done deal. Regretfully, I must inform you my trip next month to Athens will probably be the last in my lifetime unless, of course, one of your Kittens manages to capture my fancy.
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Well, MarylandCat, I about ten years ago there was serious talk about both Navy and Army joining the MAC.  At that time there were several newspaper stories about the discussions that were going on with these two academies.  It was a package deal, and the main reported reason it fell through is that Army was not sure they could compete successfully across the board in the MAC.  This was an all-sports deal as I remember.  When Army got cold feet, Navy was no longer interested. 

I see that you live in Annapolis.  Do you know where 1014 Van Buren Street is?  I think maybe the house has been torn down, but I'm not sure.  
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Interesting, MH55, but  I was reading some Temple boards and blogs yesterday and saw several posts saying that the deal looked very much in jeopardy.  One even went as far as saying that if Temple lost to Ball State on Saturday that the bloom would be completely off the rose .  Another said that if Temple doesn't win the MAC this year that the price of its shares would fall greatly in the BE stock market.  Perhaps your impeccable sources know more than these posters, but your credibility on this board has not been the greatest.   Perhaps these are some of the boards you've been banned from.

Key Quote from one of the blogs:

Beat Ball State and it becomes possible to win the MAC and win the MAC and it becomes possible to expand horizons beyond the MAC. Lose to Ball State and the wheels come off the Temple bandwagon very fast. With one MAC loss already, it's going to be difficult if not impossible to win the MAC East with two losses. This fragile fan base will collapse, too.  Full Blog
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We could have 18,000 students at every game for the whole game if we had the culture of an academy.  Though attendance might not be required in a technical sense, it is highly encouraged by the brass and there is also intense peer pressure to attend these games.  Think what our overall attendance would be if we got this many students at each game.  OK, that's not going to happen, but as one who saw his first collegiate contest as a 4- or 5-year old boy at USNA I can't help but day dream.  That being said, I believe the statement being made was not about attendance but that the service academies are generally in the typical year on the level of the average MAC team and not as good as a top MAC team. 



Navy would never join the MAC.  There's no benefit for them.  I love my Bobcats, but that is a HUGE step down for them.  Navy-Marine Corp Stadium sells out every week, and it's not the students who fill it.  There's only roughly 4500 Midshipment at the USNA (all required attendance).  It's 30,000+ from the community and region who support this program week in and week out. The environment has a feel of major college football unlike those of MAC stadiums.  They play the likes of Notre Dame, Air Force and Army every season, and even have a nice little rivalry with Delaware going.  Navy wins six, and they're in a pre-determined bowl against a decent opponent.  True, it's not like winning a conference, but they compete for the Commander-in-Cheif's Trophy each season, which as significant meaning here in Annapolis. 


Went to the Delaware vs. Navy game at the beginning of the season. Even though they put all of the Delaware people off in our own little area away from the main lot the tailgating atmosphere was great! In fact it may have been better since all of the UD fans were right next to each other, creating a friendly atmosphere.
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Annapolis and the Naval Academy rock!  I attended a basketball game there (along with SBH) once...it was TOS' first game as Bobcat head coach.  Was extremely impressed with everything.  Saw the football stadium and it looked big time. 

I cannot see why Navy would have any interest in the MAC.  Only schools that might have interest would be former FCS schools looking for a stepping stone to a better conference. 
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Galileo, George Orwell, Aldous Huxley and the Stones have all been banned too, so Im in good company.

Though its always embarrassing for an elite Uni to lose to a MAC Program, a Ball St tresult will have no impact on
 "]["emple's invitation to the BE. Its about dollars, facilities, TV ratings and Market Share and the Owl has a track record of delivery.  i.e. "]["emple v Penn State was ESPN's highest rated broadcast that weekend.

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Galileo, George Orwell, Aldous Huxley and the Stones have all been banned too, so Im in good company.

Though its always embarrassing for an elite Uni to lose to a MAC Program, a Ball St tresult will have no impact on
 "]["emple's invitation to the BE. Its about dollars, facilities, TV ratings and Market Share and the Owl has a track record of delivery.  i.e. "]["emple v Penn State was ESPN's highest rated broadcast that weekend.


I guess Temple's "track record" wasn't considered when they were booted from the BE in the first place.
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Well . . .  Pitt at Ohio in '05 was at that time the highest rated Friday regular season ESPN college football game in history.  So, big whoop!
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If/when West Virginia bolts the Big East, whatever respect that conference has as a football conference is gone.  Further, if/when that happens, if I am TCU there is no way I come into the league.  At that point the BE is really no better than ConfUSA/Mountain West and only just a little better than the MAC.  If the BE continues to hold on to its AQ status at that point, it would be a joke, if it is not already.

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If it is true that TCU goes to the Big XII, look for WVU to bolt to any other "AQ" conference that will take them.  At that point, the BE is done or at least should be as an "AQ" conference.  Further, given that fact that the Big XII just agreed to league-wide revenue sharing, if I am TCU I pay the $5M to the BE and thank the good lord I am out of that league.  If Missou bolts the Big XII for the SEC, things could get real interesting.  I was at the WVU/LSU game a couple of weeks ago supporting Tigers due to family connections and the people in Morgantown were practically begging to get into the SEC.
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Now that's some funny sheeeit!!!!!

Yep, it was all about Temple delivering........never mind the fact Penn State has one of the largest alumni associations in the country.

I doubt that you and the 4 others watching in Philly had much to do with the ratings.
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Stick a fork in the Big East, because it's done. Even adding Army, Navy, Air Force, Temple, ECU, and UCF, it's no better than C-USA. Good bye, WVU! Good bye, auto bid! Good bye, moolah!

The interesting question is this: With losing Syracuse and Pitt and all the BCS money that keeps the rest of the athletic ship running, can the Big East maintain its status as the premier basketball conference?

EDIT: Mr. 55's source may ultimately be correct....because the Big East may have no choice but to add Temple now. But does Temple go? Football will be marginally better, but I would venture that the A-10 may just be a better basketball conference than what will become of the Big East.

And in 3 years when none of this comes true, you are free to remind me of how wrong I was.
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The Big East may be on life support:

http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/32536916


Stick a fork in the Big East, because it's done. Even adding Army, Navy, Air Force, Temple, ECU, and UCF, it's no better than C-USA. Good bye, WVU! Good bye, auto bid! Good bye, moolah!

The interesting question is this: With losing Syracuse and Pitt and all the BCS money that keeps the rest of the athletic ship running, can the Big East maintain its status as the premier basketball conference?

EDIT: Mr. 55's source may ultimately be correct....because the Big East may have no choice but to add Temple now. But does Temple go? Football will be marginally better, but I would venture that the A-10 may just be a better basketball conference than what will become of the Big East.

And in 3 years when none of this comes true, you are free to remind me of how wrong I was.


You also can't forget that PItt and Syracuse have been two of the most successful b-ball programs in the NCAA over the last 10 years.  WVU is in the same boat, and most certainly would bolt to the SEC or BIG 12 if an offer was extended.  Cinci and Louisville will search for some way to latch onto an AQ in football and their b-ball programs will go along with them.

Although the current Big East is very deep in b-ball, losing three of their best programs in Pitt, Syracuse, and WVU would be a serious blow.  It's going to be nearly impossible for the Big East to attract anyone in FB that allows them to keep their AQ status.
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Hey mh55, where did TCU go? Big East? non-existant.
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Let's not forget UConn is angling for an ACC invite  - which is felt to be a done deal in these parts.  As for Temple joining the Big East - kind of like finding a ticket to the Titanic in the water next to an iceberg.
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I think the Big East is done as a football conference.

Remaining members:
Rutgers
Cincinnati
WVU 
Louisville
UConn 
South Florida

Rutgers and UConn will go to the ACC. WVU most likely will go to the Big 12, possibly SEC. Louisville will go to the Big 12. Which only leaves Cincinnati and South Florida. Seems to me they'd just return to Conference USA. 

The Big East basketball schools could then pick up Xavier, Dayton and St. Louis to form the Holy Alliance League of 12 teams that would include:

East
St. John's
Georgetown
Villanova
Seton Hall
Providence
one other A-10 school (St. Joe's, Duquesne, St. Bonaventure)

Midwest
Notre Dame
Marquette
DePaul
Dayton 
Xavier
St. Louis

This could only benefit the MAC if it decided to scale down the number of Ohio and Michigan schools and put something together that would be more attractive than the A-10 for Temple and UMASS. Which will never happen because heaven forbid we kick out Eastern Michigan. 
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Galileo, George Orwell, Aldous Huxley and the Stones have all been banned too, so Im in good company.

Though its always embarrassing for an elite Uni to lose to a MAC Program, a Ball St tresult will have no impact on
 "]["emple's invitation to the BE. Its about dollars, facilities, TV ratings and Market Share and the Owl has a track record of delivery.  i.e. "]["emple v Penn State was ESPN's highest rated broadcast that weekend.



You're not any of those dudes so I fail to see the relevance.
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Posted: 10/6/2011 10:44 PM
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OCF Predicts: TCU will never play a down as a BE team.  I'm not as good as Carnac the Magnificent, but this one is kind of obvious. 


So do they go back to the MWC and try to get BYU to join them, or do they go elsewhere?
  My guess is they end up in the Big 12.  The BE is a sinking ship. 


I don't want to say that I told you so, but I told you so.   Boy, I'm sounding a lot like another of our esteemed posters who often reminds us that he knows everything about everything.  Shame on me! 

Edit: I don't know everything about everything, I just know what I'm talking about every now and then -- slightly more often than the proverbial blind squirrel.
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Squirrel!
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I like how +emple fans stake claim to "the Philly market" yet have absolutely no influence on it. Poor attendance v Toldeo? Oh its the Phillies' fault, its the Eagles fault, its the Flyers fault, its Ben Franklin Jt High's lacrosse team's fault.

Or no wait I know, it Toledo's fault.  yeah, because they're in the MAC. that's it. So current BE member Syracuse must have had the same problem when they played Toledo the week before, right? Syracuse attendance- 39,116. Temple attendance- 21,705. Oops.

Yeah, but Temple attendance is a lot better when they play other Big East teams. Temple v UConn 2010- 18,702. OHIO v UConn 2009- 24,617. nope thats not it.

But, the tv rating were good when they played Penn State, and you have to give Temple all thte credit for that one, right? nope again.
 
so yeah, congratulations on your big market. way to own it.
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