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Posted: 10/9/2011 12:08 AM
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what a pathetic loss....gave up 500+ yards of offense to Buffalo???!! Good lord it seems like ages ago when we held Marshall to 7pts and got a few votes in the top 25 polls.   Anyone who is saying "let's be positive and not get too concerned about this" is nuts. This is a very concerning loss...our defense was on skates the whole game just getting pushed around wherever Buffalo wanted us to go.  I firmly believe our offense is good enough to score with any team in the MAC, but you can't put them under that much pressure on every possession. Wow this is frustrating...I could go on forever. 
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Posted: 10/9/2011 12:14 AM
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AP: Buffalo, NY LaVon Brazil filing sexual assault charges against the Buffalo secondary for actions taken in the last minutes of a football game.  

Ok.  This game is over time to focus on Ball State.

GO BOBCATS!!!

Last Edited: 10/9/2011 12:16:41 AM by Urban Bobcat
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Posted: 10/9/2011 12:18 AM
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Urban Bobcat wrote:expand_more
AP: Buffalo, NY LaVon Brazil filing sexual assault charges against the Buffalo secondary for actions taken in the last minutes of a football game.  

Ok.  This game is over time to focus on Ball State.

GO BOBCATS!!!


That's actually kind of funny...
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Posted: 10/9/2011 12:22 AM
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For those curious about the post-game radio interview with Solich:

Russ, during the broadcast, had been emphasizing his view that OU would have to "gut this one out" due to injuries. His first question to the coach led in with him saying that the win over Kent State was a "toughness" victory (presumably also due to injuries and maybe also the weather last Saturday). So, Eisenstein tells Solich that OU "out-toughed" the Golden Flashes, puts out the idea that Buffalo out-toughed OU today, and asks Frank if that was indeed the case.

Solich responded curtly and in an exasperated tone of voice that no, he didn't think we were out-toughed by the Beefs. Then he apparently up and left while Russ began to ask the next question.


Well, gee, Frank, who chose to punt the ball on 4th and 2 at the Buffalo 37.5 yard line?  That was a cowardly call.

Agreed.

A similar thing happened in the O$U/Nebraska game, O$U and OU were well within field goal range and the coaches opt to punt.  Both decisions shifted momentum to other team and both result in long TD drives.  The obvious choice if in that situation, KICK THE FG!
 

OK, now we have another staff validating the decision in this situation.  They probably have more experience than these two games to base their decisions upon. 
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Posted: 10/9/2011 12:45 AM
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So you agree with the decision to punt?  And he gets up and walks out of the radio interview because he doesn't like the question?

 Solich insisted they weren't out-toughed on the field.  I just gave you en example of a call that clearly indicates a lack of toughness on the sideline - and just might have cost us the game.

 
What I don't have is the coaches knowledge of the team or a belief that I know better how to win a game than coach Solich and his staff.  SBH, I suggest you imediately get to coaching.  It must be easy.  By the way, what are the odds on 50 yd field goals and how has Buffalo been at blocking kicks this year?  Kind of a lot I don't know to make game decisions from my couch. 
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Posted: 10/9/2011 9:24 AM
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If you were at the game, I will keep debating you.  I'm guessing you were not.

I never said I would have kicked the field goal. I would have gone for the first down.





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Posted: 10/9/2011 10:07 AM
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Frank definitely should have finished the interview.  Poor choice. 

But, a question of the form "would you say that X" where X is inflammatory is not a good question.
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Posted: 10/9/2011 10:23 AM
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If you were at the game, I will keep debating you.  I'm guessing you were not.

I never said I would have kicked the field goal. I would have gone for the first down.


Risk/reward.  Field goal is at least points vs field position.  Going for the first down is just field position for field position.  I have to believe the odds of pinning them deep with a decent punt then getting the ball back with still decent field position are better than converting.  This is FB 101. Keep the game in their end of the field.  At the game, me, no.  Coach Solich was though, with a good enough vantage point to make an informed decision on this.
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Posted: 10/9/2011 10:33 AM
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10-yard punt.  We hadn't stopped Buffalo all day.  In fact, we didn't then - they drove the field for a TD.




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Posted: 10/9/2011 11:14 AM
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It's not fair to consider the 10 (or was it 12) yard punt. No one could have predicted that outcome. Hershey is a good punter. Unlucky.
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Posted: 10/9/2011 11:18 AM
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10-yard punt.  We hadn't stopped Buffalo all day.  In fact, we didn't then - they drove the field for a TD.


More times than not that punt would have been inside the twenty.  That play out of more than 150+, was one, called the way 90 percent of colleg/pro coaches would have, did not lose the game.  Me, I believe our coaching, beyond the obvious, kept this team playing hard for four quarters, nearly won the game on a day when we needed Mr. Hastngs to lead the team in tackles.  Credit to Corey and the others that filled in they almost pulled it out.  Fine effort by all.  No post game quible from me.  Ohio was well represented at Buffalo.  On to next week hoping the team is healthier.
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Posted: 10/9/2011 11:56 AM
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Frank definitely should have finished the interview. Poor choice. 

But, a question of the form "would you say that X" where X is inflammatory is not a good question.


Catatonic's right on target IMHO. Not a good performance by either interview participant. Then again, maybe Solich didn't think he could help but grouse about the officiating, so he took off.

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I never said I would have kicked the field goal. I would have gone for the first down.


Exactly. This team's averaging 4.7 yards per carry, plus it has a potent passing game. Why not line up with a few receivers out wide (or any formation that doesn't scream, "We're going to run the ball"), and then hand off or pitch it to Harden, Boykin or Bates?

I realize that we're engaging in armchair coaching here, so don't rake me over the coals. It's part of the fun.

Continuing ... last year at Marshall, Solich went for a two-point conversion for the win instead of kicking the PAT to tie it at the end of regulation. Yesterday, he made the conservative call late in the game. You never want to be too predictable, but what's the philosophy? Is Ohio more of a team that has strong confidence in its offense to make plays for short yardage, or is it more of a team that emphasizes field position and tries to eke out victories by containing opponents?

Based on the makeup of this year's squad and the way the Buffalo game was going, I would say that out-gunning the other team on offense (and going for it on 4th-and-2) might be the better approach.
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Posted: 10/9/2011 1:10 PM
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10-yard punt.  We hadn't stopped Buffalo all day.  In fact, we didn't then - they drove the field for a TD.

Hershey has been good all season though, there was no reason to expect the 10 yard punt.  Pinning them on the 10 (or running into the kicker which happened in another instance yesterday) was much more likely.

Still though I would have gone for it.  The rest of the season, the Ohio offense needs to be expecting to score a TD on every possession.  For the first time in awhile, it's the D that's hurting and the O that has the most talent, experience and health.  The only way Ohio wins the East is by outscoring people.
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Posted: 10/9/2011 3:19 PM
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Posted: 10/9/2011 8:33 PM
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Based on the makeup of this year's squad and the way the Buffalo game was going, I would say that out-gunning the other team on offense (and going for it on 4th-and-2) might be the better approach.


I tend to agree with this observation.  It seems our offense is very good, but our defense has taken a step backwards, in part due to some injuries and in part because the DL is relatively fairly wet behind the ears.  If the defense can improve as the season progresses we'll be a very tough team when the MACC and the bowl season roll around.  GO OHIO!
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Based on the makeup of this year's squad and the way the Buffalo game was going, I would say that out-gunning the other team on offense (and going for it on 4th-and-2) might be the better approach.


I tend to agree with this observation.  It seems our offense is very good, but our defense has taken a step backwards, in part due to some injuries and in part because the DL is relatively fairly wet behind the ears.  If the defense can improve as the season progresses we'll be a very tough team when the MACC and the bowl season roll around.  GO OHIO!


What is most important is where the defense is at when we play Temple. I'm fairly certain Ball State and Akron will be wins. The team is going to be pretty ticked and take it out on Ball State Saturday. The divisional race comes down to that Temple home game on November 2nd. Its going to be a Blackout with the TCU jerseys, great atmosphere. We beat Temple and give them a second loss all the Bobcats have to do is go 2-1 against CMU, BG, and Miami to secure the MAC East title. Ohio can win the division at 6-2 with a win over Temple. Miami at home should be a layup for the Cats, so really all that is needed is going 1-1 on the road against CMU and BG, provided we beat Temple to win the division. The defense can build some momentum vs. Ball State and Akron the next 2 weeks. This season is far from over.
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Posted: 10/10/2011 8:16 PM
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10-yard punt.  We hadn't stopped Buffalo all day.  In fact, we didn't then - they drove the field for a TD.


More times than not that punt would have been inside the twenty.  That play out of more than 150+, was one, called the way 90 percent of colleg/pro coaches would have, did not lose the game.  Me, I believe our coaching, beyond the obvious, kept this team playing hard for four quarters, nearly won the game on a day when we needed Mr. Hastngs to lead the team in tackles.  Credit to Corey and the others that filled in they almost pulled it out.  Fine effort by all.  No post game quible from me.  Ohio was well represented at Buffalo.  On to next week hoping the team is healthier.


Go for it!!

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