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colobobcat66
12/8/2022 5:09 PM
On talk radio, all I hear is that the opportunity for NIL deals is now the main driver or a close second of where recruits go. It’s been discussed a little bit on here, but other than a bunch of jokes about it, are there really any NIL deals available at Ohio? If not, how can we expect to get many transfers if we’re not the least bit competitive in this area? Just falling further behind in the arms race?

Does anyone know of MAC schools who do any better in this regard/ Toledo? buffalo?
Last Edited: 12/8/2022 6:59:23 PM by colobobcat66
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TWT
12/8/2022 5:48 PM
Have to comb through the last 10-15 years of NIL deals for back data.
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colobobcat66
12/8/2022 7:00 PM
Campus Flow wrote:expand_more
Have to comb through the last 10-15 years of NIL deals for back data.
I’m looking for something other than more jokes- thanks a lot.
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BillyTheCat
12/8/2022 9:31 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
On talk radio, all I hear is that the opportunity for NIL deals is now the main driver or a close second of where recruits go. It’s been discussed a little bit on here, but other than a bunch of jokes about it, are there really any NIL deals available at Ohio? If not, how can we expect to get many transfers if we’re not the least bit competitive in this area? Just falling further behind in the arms race?

Does anyone know of MAC schools who do any better in this regard/ Toledo? buffalo?
Bobcat Attack has been one of the leading NIL providers of OHIO Athletics.
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colobobcat66
12/8/2022 9:34 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
On talk radio, all I hear is that the opportunity for NIL deals is now the main driver or a close second of where recruits go. It’s been discussed a little bit on here, but other than a bunch of jokes about it, are there really any NIL deals available at Ohio? If not, how can we expect to get many transfers if we’re not the least bit competitive in this area? Just falling further behind in the arms race?

Does anyone know of MAC schools who do any better in this regard/ Toledo? buffalo?
Bobcat Attack has been one of the leading NIL providers of OHIO Athletics.
We’re in deep doo doo.
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OhioCatFan
12/9/2022 12:09 AM
Has Quidel (QDEL on the stock exchange) provided any NIL deals? I could see Kurtis Rourke on an advertisement saying, "When I had Covid-19 symptoms, my doctor used the Quidel rapid diagnostic test. You should use it, too." [For you whippersnappers, that last sentence is a parody of an old Roger Maris TV ad for Aqua Velva.]

Seriously, though, Quidel has a major plant in Athens. This plant is the old Diagnostic Hybrids, before the Quidel purchase for about $150 million, that used to advertise on OHIO athletic platforms. One of its VPs, who I think may now be retired, received his Ph.D. at OHIO with a scholarship provided by the medical school. Seems they would be a natural NIL target.
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OhioCatFan
12/9/2022 12:23 AM
More about Quidel. Though a little dated, this article from the Columbus Dispatch gives you some idea of the capability of the Athens plant and its key role in the whole Quidel company.
Now that the demand for Covid testing is declining, they probably are putting more of their resources into producing the myriad of diagnostic kits they make for other infectious diseases. Many of these kits were develop in Athens by Quidel scientists who pioneered this type of DNA-based diagnostic testing. The old Diagnostic Hybrid company, now part of Quidel, was a spin off from the Ohio University Innovation Center.

Key Quote from the article:

"The 110,000-square-foot plant in Athens has the capacity to produce about a half-million COVID-19 tests per week. Originally, the company expected to be able to do only 150,000 tests per week, said Geoff Morgan, the Athens plant manager."

The full article is here:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/technology/2020/09/13... /
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BillyTheCat
12/9/2022 8:08 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
More about Quidel. Though a little dated, this article from the Columbus Dispatch gives you some idea of the capability of the Athens plant and its key role in the whole Quidel company.
Now that the demand for Covid testing is declining, they probably are putting more of their resources into producing the myriad of diagnostic kits they make for other infectious diseases. Many of these kits were develop in Athens by Quidel scientists who pioneered this type of DNA-based diagnostic testing. The old Diagnostic Hybrid company, now part of Quidel, was a spin off from the Ohio University Innovation Center.

Key Quote from the article:

"The 110,000-square-foot plant in Athens has the capacity to produce about a half-million COVID-19 tests per week. Originally, the company expected to be able to do only 150,000 tests per week, said Geoff Morgan, the Athens plant manager."

The full article is here:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/technology/2020/09/13... /
Your problem with Quidel is that it is no longer an Athens based company. It's corporate operations are in California. The Athens location is only 1 of 7 plants that they operate. It is no longer an Athens based company.
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spongeBOB CATpants
12/13/2022 12:22 PM
Interesting stuff coming out of Columbus. Apparently OSU admins are freaking out because the SEC is crushing them in terms of NIL support.

Supposedly the Buckeyes lost a 5 star recruit because their offer of $500k was not even in the same ballpark as Georgia's offer of $800k per year.

Heard on 97.1 the Fan this morning that the top NIL group in Columbus only has $3 million in the bank while Florida has raised over $30 million.

You know its bad when OSU is leaking competing offers to the local media and Gene Smith releasing a public statement essentially shaming fans for not contributing enough.

In the meantime, everybody send your thoughts and prayers to High Street that they'll get through this tough time and that the NCAA makes it more fair for the Buckeyes.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
12/13/2022 12:41 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
On talk radio, all I hear is that the opportunity for NIL deals is now the main driver or a close second of where recruits go. It’s been discussed a little bit on here, but other than a bunch of jokes about it, are there really any NIL deals available at Ohio? If not, how can we expect to get many transfers if we’re not the least bit competitive in this area? Just falling further behind in the arms race?

Does anyone know of MAC schools who do any better in this regard/ Toledo? buffalo?
I just think of it like a regular old labor market. We're not going to get top talent, but we never did. Instead, we need to recruit based on the same differentiators we recruited on prior, for a tier of talent that's getting recruited by schools who offer little or nothing by way of NIL money.

It's possible some of our peer schools may end up as outliers thanks to a big donor or corporate sponsorship, but I doubt it. You can almost certainly draw a very direct line between a team's ability to generate revenue and NIL money being a worthwhile investment.
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BillyTheCat
12/13/2022 2:53 PM
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:expand_more
Interesting stuff coming out of Columbus. Apparently OSU admins are freaking out because the SEC is crushing them in terms of NIL support.

Supposedly the Buckeyes lost a 5 star recruit because their offer of $500k was not even in the same ballpark as Georgia's offer of $800k per year.

Heard on 97.1 the Fan this morning that the top NIL group in Columbus only has $3 million in the bank while Florida has raised over $30 million.

You know its bad when OSU is leaking competing offers to the local media and Gene Smith releasing a public statement essentially shaming fans for not contributing enough.

In the meantime, everybody send your thoughts and prayers to High Street that they'll get through this tough time and that the NCAA makes it more fair for the Buckeyes.
The SEC is crushing everyone in NIL money. OSU, thought their reputation as an NFL factory would be enough, it's not enough. What's funny, is some of these kids will take a pay cut with a 1st year NFL contract. As for the NFL making things "more fair" for the Buckeyes, that's not going to happen. The NCAA has nothing to do with this NIL situation.
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OhioCatFan
12/13/2022 3:26 PM
BOLD NIL PREDICTION:

IF O$U is getting beat like this, expect a whole slew of anti-NIL articles emanating out of Cowtown and allied entities. There will new and novel arguments against NIL. Some of these points may even be logical and make sense, but they would never be proffered if those on the banks of the Olentangy were winning the NIL battle. Though in different contexts, I've seen this movie before.
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mf279801
12/13/2022 4:05 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
BOLD NIL PREDICTION:

IF O$U is getting beat like this, expect a whole slew of anti-NIL articles emanating out of Cowtown and allied entities. There will new and novel arguments against NIL. Some of these points may even be logical and make sense, but they would never be proffered if those on the banks of the Olentangy were winning the NIL battle. Though in different contexts, I've seen this movie before.
Who cares? Op-eds in the Dispatch aren’t going to sway anyone outside of central Ohio, certainly not congress and the federal judiciary.
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spongeBOB CATpants
12/13/2022 4:19 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Interesting stuff coming out of Columbus. Apparently OSU admins are freaking out because the SEC is crushing them in terms of NIL support.

Supposedly the Buckeyes lost a 5 star recruit because their offer of $500k was not even in the same ballpark as Georgia's offer of $800k per year.

Heard on 97.1 the Fan this morning that the top NIL group in Columbus only has $3 million in the bank while Florida has raised over $30 million.

You know its bad when OSU is leaking competing offers to the local media and Gene Smith releasing a public statement essentially shaming fans for not contributing enough.

In the meantime, everybody send your thoughts and prayers to High Street that they'll get through this tough time and that the NCAA makes it more fair for the Buckeyes.
The SEC is crushing everyone in NIL money. OSU, thought their reputation as an NFL factory would be enough, it's not enough. What's funny, is some of these kids will take a pay cut with a 1st year NFL contract. As for the NFL making things "more fair" for the Buckeyes, that's not going to happen. The NCAA has nothing to do with this NIL situation.
So is there literally nothing the NCAA can do, whatsoever, to limit or alter the current state of affairs as it relates to NIL?
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spongeBOB CATpants
12/13/2022 4:19 PM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
BOLD NIL PREDICTION:

IF O$U is getting beat like this, expect a whole slew of anti-NIL articles emanating out of Cowtown and allied entities. There will new and novel arguments against NIL. Some of these points may even be logical and make sense, but they would never be proffered if those on the banks of the Olentangy were winning the NIL battle. Though in different contexts, I've seen this movie before.
Who cares? Op-eds in the Dispatch aren’t going to sway anyone outside of central Ohio, certainly not congress and the federal judiciary.
What about tweets from THE Cardale Jones?
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
12/13/2022 9:12 PM
I'm no recruiting expert, but a quick glance and OSU has a top 5 class next year, had a top 5 class last year, and has a top 8 early class for next year.

There are a couple of SEC schools ahead of them, but it's the same SEC schools that have been pulling in top 5 classes for a while in Georgia, Alabama, and LSU.

Has the NIL actually impacted recruiting rankings the way people seem to think it has? Who are the big winners that weren't recruiting top classes before?
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colobobcat66
12/13/2022 10:34 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
I'm no recruiting expert, but a quick glance and OSU has a top 5 class next year, had a top 5 class last year, and has a top 8 early class for next year.

There are a couple of SEC schools ahead of them, but it's the same SEC schools that have been pulling in top 5 classes for a while in Georgia, Alabama, and LSU.

Has the NIL actually impacted recruiting rankings the way people seem to think it has? Who are the big winners that weren't recruiting top classes before?
I don’t l know that it has changed the overall market at the top, although for individual players it almost certainly have been a factor in where they go. The top schools have big fan bases that have big pockets. There’s no question that the players are the big winners here as they were supposed to be.

I’d just like to see how it has affected recruiting below the top 25-30 schools. There have to be some specific examples out there someplace.
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TWT
12/14/2022 12:18 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
I'm no recruiting expert, but a quick glance and OSU has a top 5 class next year, had a top 5 class last year, and has a top 8 early class for next year.

There are a couple of SEC schools ahead of them, but it's the same SEC schools that have been pulling in top 5 classes for a while in Georgia, Alabama, and LSU.

Has the NIL actually impacted recruiting rankings the way people seem to think it has? Who are the big winners that weren't recruiting top classes before?
I don’t l know that it has changed the overall market at the top, although for individual players it almost certainly have been a factor in where they go. The top schools have big fan bases that have big pockets. There’s no question that the players are the big winners here as they were supposed to be.

I’d just like to see how it has affected recruiting below the top 25-30 schools. There have to be some specific examples out there someplace.
We are in the first inning of all this still. What if next year OSU has the booster club with 30 million and Florida has 3 million? Do SEC schools deprive coaches they are tired of by not donating to them? Its a complicated subject and combining it with the transfer portal makes it all the more complicated. Will the playoff money go direct to the players? There is not enough data points yet.
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BillyTheCat
12/14/2022 8:53 AM
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:expand_more
Interesting stuff coming out of Columbus. Apparently OSU admins are freaking out because the SEC is crushing them in terms of NIL support.

Supposedly the Buckeyes lost a 5 star recruit because their offer of $500k was not even in the same ballpark as Georgia's offer of $800k per year.

Heard on 97.1 the Fan this morning that the top NIL group in Columbus only has $3 million in the bank while Florida has raised over $30 million.

You know its bad when OSU is leaking competing offers to the local media and Gene Smith releasing a public statement essentially shaming fans for not contributing enough.

In the meantime, everybody send your thoughts and prayers to High Street that they'll get through this tough time and that the NCAA makes it more fair for the Buckeyes.
The SEC is crushing everyone in NIL money. OSU, thought their reputation as an NFL factory would be enough, it's not enough. What's funny, is some of these kids will take a pay cut with a 1st year NFL contract. As for the NFL making things "more fair" for the Buckeyes, that's not going to happen. The NCAA has nothing to do with this NIL situation.
So is there literally nothing the NCAA can do, whatsoever, to limit or alter the current state of affairs as it relates to NIL?
NIL is law! Nothing the NCAA can do unless an NIL contract was written as “performance” based. Which no one is dumb enough to do that.
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colobobcat66
12/14/2022 3:34 PM
So Western Kentucky just got their QB to stay because of a local rest estate co NIL deal. Apparently Stayed over offer(s) from some power 5 schools including Louisville.
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BillyTheCat
12/14/2022 11:00 PM
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:expand_more
BOLD NIL PREDICTION:

IF O$U is getting beat like this, expect a whole slew of anti-NIL articles emanating out of Cowtown and allied entities. There will new and novel arguments against NIL. Some of these points may even be logical and make sense, but they would never be proffered if those on the banks of the Olentangy were winning the NIL battle. Though in different contexts, I've seen this movie before.
Who cares? Op-eds in the Dispatch aren’t going to sway anyone outside of central Ohio, certainly not congress and the federal judiciary.
What about tweets from THE Cardale Jones?
Just remember he got a BIG ring, a lifetime income. He didn’t come to OHIO to play school, he went for a networking business degree
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BillyTheCat
12/14/2022 11:03 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
So Western Kentucky just got their QB to stay because of a local rest estate co NIL deal. Apparently Stayed over offer(s) from some power 5 schools including Louisville.
You think the Athens community match their offer?
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spongeBOB CATpants
12/15/2022 9:56 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Interesting stuff coming out of Columbus. Apparently OSU admins are freaking out because the SEC is crushing them in terms of NIL support.

Supposedly the Buckeyes lost a 5 star recruit because their offer of $500k was not even in the same ballpark as Georgia's offer of $800k per year.

Heard on 97.1 the Fan this morning that the top NIL group in Columbus only has $3 million in the bank while Florida has raised over $30 million.

You know its bad when OSU is leaking competing offers to the local media and Gene Smith releasing a public statement essentially shaming fans for not contributing enough.

In the meantime, everybody send your thoughts and prayers to High Street that they'll get through this tough time and that the NCAA makes it more fair for the Buckeyes.
The SEC is crushing everyone in NIL money. OSU, thought their reputation as an NFL factory would be enough, it's not enough. What's funny, is some of these kids will take a pay cut with a 1st year NFL contract. As for the NFL making things "more fair" for the Buckeyes, that's not going to happen. The NCAA has nothing to do with this NIL situation.
So is there literally nothing the NCAA can do, whatsoever, to limit or alter the current state of affairs as it relates to NIL?
NIL is law! Nothing the NCAA can do unless an NIL contract was written as “performance” based. Which no one is dumb enough to do that.
Why not performance based?
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OhioCatFan
12/15/2022 10:25 AM
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:expand_more
Interesting stuff coming out of Columbus. Apparently OSU admins are freaking out because the SEC is crushing them in terms of NIL support.

Supposedly the Buckeyes lost a 5 star recruit because their offer of $500k was not even in the same ballpark as Georgia's offer of $800k per year.

Heard on 97.1 the Fan this morning that the top NIL group in Columbus only has $3 million in the bank while Florida has raised over $30 million.

You know its bad when OSU is leaking competing offers to the local media and Gene Smith releasing a public statement essentially shaming fans for not contributing enough.

In the meantime, everybody send your thoughts and prayers to High Street that they'll get through this tough time and that the NCAA makes it more fair for the Buckeyes.
The SEC is crushing everyone in NIL money. OSU, thought their reputation as an NFL factory would be enough, it's not enough. What's funny, is some of these kids will take a pay cut with a 1st year NFL contract. As for the NFL making things "more fair" for the Buckeyes, that's not going to happen. The NCAA has nothing to do with this NIL situation.
So is there literally nothing the NCAA can do, whatsoever, to limit or alter the current state of affairs as it relates to NIL?
NIL is law! Nothing the NCAA can do unless an NIL contract was written as “performance” based. Which no one is dumb enough to do that.
Why not performance based?
Then they would be pro athletes. NIL gives the allusion of maintaining amateur status because the money is coming for use of the student's name, image and likeness and not for their athletic performance, per se. This is a very thin line. Universities running outright pro programs would test many legal waters, including the non-profit status of the sponsoring institutions. Some have pointed to the Green Bay Packers, but while a non-profit corporation, they are not chartered as an education institution. Lawyers and courts would have a heyday with all the possible rulings and counter rulings of say, the O$U professional football team, sponsored by the Wexler Foundation.
Last Edited: 12/15/2022 10:26:18 AM by OhioCatFan
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mf279801
12/15/2022 11:18 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Universities running outright pro programs would test many legal waters, including the non-profit status of the sponsoring institutions. Some have pointed to the Green Bay Packers, but while a non-profit corporation, they are not chartered as an education institution. Lawyers and courts would have a heyday with all the possible rulings and counter rulings of say, the O$U professional football team, sponsored by the Wexler Foundation.
This keeps getting brought up, but doesn’t really make sense to me, so perhaps you (or someone else on here) could explain: most of the major athletic universities are public, state owned institutions (right?), so how is their non-profit tax status going to be at risk, as a state owned entity? I don’t see the IRS, nor state departments of revenue, rolling up to tax operating revenues from state universities anymore than i see them coming to tax the state highway department. What am i missing? Or is the issue more that people wouldn’t be able to make tax deductible donations?

(Clearly this question excludes private schools, your Notre Dames and Miamis, etc.)
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