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Posted: 5/15/2012 6:27 PM
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Seems a lot of Marshall fans like the idea of Ohio in C-USA.

http://www.herdfans.com/12thman/index.php?topic=62284.0
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Posted: 5/15/2012 9:15 PM
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It is nice to  see some love/props from many of the Marshall fans.

Those who would want to see us not invited have some lame arguments.  The thing is in comparison with most of the teams that have been invited in recently to C-USA we have a similar if not superior profile/resume when it comes to our overall athletic department.  There is obviously the factor of TV markets as I know FIU has Miami/South Florida, North Texas is close to the DFW Metroplex, etc.

Outside of football did Marshall really make much noise in the MAC? I bet our women's volleyball would hold its own, as well as our swimming.  I also think our prospect pool for all sports would improve. 
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Posted: 5/15/2012 11:03 PM
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I'd love to see this happen.  Marshall and Ohio should be in the same league again.  It's a real natural rivalry and it would be good for both schools. 
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The thing that honestly irritates me the most about the conference realignment is because it is pretty much all based on TV markets.  Now I know why that's the case, because let's face it, money talks, but I feel like that more people around the nation would be more willing to watch a competitive conference play rather than a conference full of teams with "potential" like JMU and Old Dominion which could end up flopping in 5 years and become the next UAB.

It's always seeing people other than ourselves talk about our candidacy, even if it is pure speculation.
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Posted: 5/16/2012 10:54 AM
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No offense, I would prefer the MAC over the new CUSA.  That pig has lipstick all over it, at least our's doesn't take on pretense.
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If North Texas gets credit for the DFW market, we should get credit for the Columbus market. Our games would draw a bigger TV share in Columbus than NTU's in Dallas.
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I question the traditional logic that goes into these decisions. Has conference expansion based on "potential" TV markets worked historically? We added Buffalo based on this misguided belief and that has been a tremendous failure.

If I was making this decision I would take a hard look at metrics based on university loyalty. On a scale of 1-10 how much do alumni associate themselves with their university? How often do strap on some Ohio University apparel and head out into the world (my wife woke up in an Ohio t-shirt and shorts this morning)? When was the last time you were on campus? And of course total # of alumni. If this were looked at I'm sure Ohio would start to look pretty appealing.
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Posted: 5/16/2012 3:36 PM
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If it were the old CUSA then hell yeah, but the new one is just as ugly as the MAC. I'm still in favor of being the best football school in a baskeball conference like A10 or whatever the big east ends up being.
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Posted: 5/16/2012 5:35 PM
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james hall united wrote:expand_more
If it were the old CUSA then hell yeah, but the new one is just as ugly as the MAC. I'm still in favor of being the best football school in a baskeball conference like A10 or whatever the big east ends up being.
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I understand where you're coming from.  But road trips to Miami, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio to name a few beat out Normal, IL, Mt. Pleasant, MI, Buffalo and most of the rest.  Also, C-USA has stuck to their guns and will play games only on Saturday with the exception of a rare Thursday or Sunday game.
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Posted: 5/16/2012 6:46 PM
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If it were the old CUSA then hell yeah, but the new one is just as ugly as the MAC. I'm still in favor of being the best football school in a baskeball conference like A10 or whatever the big east ends up being.
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I understand where you're coming from.  But road trips to Miami, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio to name a few beat out Normal, IL, Mt. Pleasant, MI, Buffalo and most of the rest.  Also, C-USA has stuck to their guns and will play games only on Saturday with the exception of a rare Thursday or Sunday game.


Except that road trips to Miami, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio would cost orders of magnitude more than trips to MAC schools (for the school or for the fans) AND that C-USA hasn't stuck to their guns. Last year, excepting opening weekend (Labor Day) and Thanksgiving weekend, C-USA played 8 non-saturday games while the MAC played 13. IIRC, the MAC weekday games were all on the ESPN family of broadcasts (ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU). C-USA's contract is with, and most of their weeknight games were on, CBS-Sports. I can't speak for anyone else, but ESPN/2/U is part of my standard digital cable package. CBS-CollegeSports? On my cable you only get CBS-CollegeSports if you're paying extra for the "all-sports-channels" package (you also get NBA-TV, MLB-TV, NHL-TV, and about 40-foreign soccer channels) or if the cable company is in a knock-down-drag-out dispute with the local CBS broadcaster about fees (when we got CBS-Sports for about 3 weeks in place of real-CBS). I'm still not thinking that C-USA is a step up, in prestige or money terms.
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mf279801 wrote:expand_more
If it were the old CUSA then hell yeah, but the new one is just as ugly as the MAC. I'm still in favor of being the best football school in a baskeball conference like A10 or whatever the big east ends up being.
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I understand where you're coming from.  But road trips to Miami, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio to name a few beat out Normal, IL, Mt. Pleasant, MI, Buffalo and most of the rest.  Also, C-USA has stuck to their guns and will play games only on Saturday with the exception of a rare Thursday or Sunday game.


Except that road trips to Miami, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio would cost orders of magnitude more than trips to MAC schools (for the school or for the fans) AND that C-USA hasn't stuck to their guns. Last year, excepting opening weekend (Labor Day) and Thanksgiving weekend, C-USA played 8 non-saturday games while the MAC played 13. IIRC, the MAC weekday games were all on the ESPN family of broadcasts (ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU). C-USA's contract is with, and most of their weeknight games were on, CBS-Sports. I can't speak for anyone else, but ESPN/2/U is part of my standard digital cable package. CBS-CollegeSports? On my cable you only get CBS-CollegeSports if you're paying extra for the "all-sports-channels" package (you also get NBA-TV, MLB-TV, NHL-TV, and about 40-foreign soccer channels) or if the cable company is in a knock-down-drag-out dispute with the local CBS broadcaster about fees (when we got CBS-Sports for about 3 weeks in place of real-CBS). I'm still not thinking that C-USA is a step up, in prestige or money terms.
+1 on all counts.  Also, might be time for a geography lesson within the MAC -- Normal isn't there.
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Posted: 5/16/2012 9:43 PM
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Also, C-USA has stuck to their guns and will play games only on Saturday with the exception of a rare Thursday or Sunday game.
Sticking to their guns has netted them squat. Revolving door membership and suspect TV coverage. While not a fan of all the midweek games, I can easily locate the televised Ohio football AND basketball games(as well as other MAC games) on my cable system. If I want to watch Marshall or whoever is in C-USA today, I have to call the 1-800 customer care number and pay for the upgraded sports package.
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Well I'm going to go ahead and say that I would much rather be in C-USA than the MAC, and here is why:

Based on an Orlando Sentinel blog (link down at the bottom), the TV deal signed with Fox for football worth nearly double that of their original contract with ESPN.  That's not including their current deal with CBS-Sports.  They don't disclose the actual number, but they estimate that the Fox deal is worth around $7 million, and their CBS-Sports deal is worth about the same.  All in all, probably around 4-5 times the amount the MAC gets now.

I don't know about you guys, but I think having that extra money from the TV deal revenue would be extremely helpful in improving our athletic department as a whole.

 Link I was talking about: blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_ucf/2011/01/conference-usa-signs-new-tv-agreement-with-fox.html

EDIT: I do realize what I'm saying is very hypocritical to my first post, and I'm still torn about the whole TV Market deals with conference realignment, but like I said before, money talks, and I think that's worth something.
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Posted: 5/17/2012 10:05 AM
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Also, C-USA has stuck to their guns and will play games only on Saturday with the exception of a rare Thursday or Sunday game.


Sticking to their guns has netted them squat. Revolving door membership and suspect TV coverage. While not a fan of all the midweek games, I can easily locate the televised Ohio football AND basketball games(as well as other MAC games) on my cable system. If I want to watch Marshall or whoever is in C-USA today, I have to call the 1-800 customer care number and pay for the upgraded sports package.


As the previous poster before noted, the C_USA TV deal is far more lucrative.  And despite the coverage, no one wants to play on Tuesday and Wednesday night.  Ask any coach or student athlete in America.  Also, below is a link to an interview with ECU Chancellor Steve Ballard which will clear up some issues.

You can fast forward to the 4:25 mark to get to the interview with SB.

http://pirateradio1250.com/pod/laf/laf050812.mp3


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KyleWvr13 wrote:expand_more
Well I'm going to go ahead and say that I would much rather be in C-USA than the MAC, and here is why:

Based on an Orlando Sentinel blog (link down at the bottom), the TV deal signed with Fox for football worth nearly double that of their original contract with ESPN.  That's not including their current deal with CBS-Sports.  They don't disclose the actual number, but they estimate that the Fox deal is worth around $7 million, and their CBS-Sports deal is worth about the same.  All in all, probably around 4-5 times the amount the MAC gets now.

I don't know about you guys, but I think having that extra money from the TV deal revenue would be extremely helpful in improving our athletic department as a whole.

 Link I was talking about: blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_ucf/2011/01/conference-usa-signs-new-tv-agreement-with-fox.html

EDIT: I do realize what I'm saying is very hypocritical to my first post, and I'm still torn about the whole TV Market deals with conference realignment, but like I said before, money talks, and I think that's worth something.


Just because it is more lucrative doesn't mean it's a better deal. How many people watch?

CBS Sports Network is available in 45 million homes,which is about half of ESPN and ESPN2, which reported 99 million. Even ESPNU is at 70-something million. And that still leaves the question of how many people actually watch the network. I know I have it, but I maybe have watched it once ever. I can't find numbers to back it up that hardly anyone watches that network because CBSSN does not subscribe to Nielson ratings, but I doubt if Conference USA's games ever were watched by 1.4 million people like the Ohio vs. Temple game.
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CBS Sports Network is available in 45 million homes,which is about half of ESPN and ESPN2, which reported 99 million. Even ESPNU is at 70-something million. And that still leaves the question of how many people actually watch the network. I know I have it, but I maybe have watched it once ever. I can't find numbers to back it up that hardly anyone watches that network because CBSSN does not subscribe to Nielson ratings, but I doubt if Conference USA's games ever were watched by 1.4 million people like the Ohio vs. Temple game.


I understand that ESPN gets into significantly more homes than CBS-Sports and trust me I really like that, but it wouldn't have matter if 14 million people watched that game. We didn't get any additional money out of it.  I mean getting a national audience to watch us is nice, and it makes nice small talk with other sports fans for about a week. But those people aren't going to give us money.  And it's not like the more people that watch our games, we get more money out of it.

If we want to get more competitive and get recognized in the midwest and the national level as a legitimate football program, our athletic department needs to get more finances.  You get finances from ticket sales, donations, and TV contracts, not having a million people watch ONE game.

I'm not hating on the fact that we get weeknight games on ESPN, I think its a great opportunity for exposure.  But people keep on saying that we need to "step up" and get better, and money does that, not eyeballs.
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CBS Sports Network is available in 45 million homes,which is about half of ESPN and ESPN2, which reported 99 million. Even ESPNU is at 70-something million. And that still leaves the question of how many people actually watch the network. I know I have it, but I maybe have watched it once ever. I can't find numbers to back it up that hardly anyone watches that network because CBSSN does not subscribe to Nielson ratings, but I doubt if Conference USA's games ever were watched by 1.4 million people like the Ohio vs. Temple game.


I understand that ESPN gets into significantly more homes than CBS-Sports and trust me I really like that, but it wouldn't have matter if 14 million people watched that game. We didn't get any additional money out of it.  I mean getting a national audience to watch us is nice, and it makes nice small talk with other sports fans for about a week. But those people aren't going to give us money.  And it's not like the more people that watch our games, we get more money out of it.

If we want to get more competitive and get recognized in the midwest and the national level as a legitimate football program, our athletic department needs to get more finances.  You get finances from ticket sales, donations, and TV contracts, not having a million people watch ONE game.

I'm not hating on the fact that we get weeknight games on ESPN, I think its a great opportunity for exposure.  But people keep on saying that we need to "step up" and get better, and money does that, not eyeballs.

Obviously impossible to know, but I wonder how much of our ticket sales spike this year are due to the exposure we got this past season.  I also don't really feel that 4.5 million a year is big money.  Split among 14 members, that's less than $325,000, and that's assuming the conference office doesn't take a cut.
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It is hard to take the ticket sales number seriously when they are compared to a timeframe in the past when we didn't sell tickets.  I would like to see the statistics more on what the increase is compared to a relative timeframe from the start of last year's ticket sales.  

Now don't get me wrong, I assume it will still have a decent spike up in quantity, just not as much as is being perpetrated.
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I would support a move to CUSA if it meant we got beer sales in Peden and the Convo. But that's not ever going to happen thanks to Palmerfest, so I'm like whatevs.
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I would support a move to CUSA if it meant we got beer sales in Peden and the Convo. But that's not ever going to happen thanks to Palmerfest, so I'm like whatevs.


I can't speak for anyone else here, but I've never had trouble enjoying beer (or harder) in Peden, or any of the other MAC stadiums I've visited.
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C-USA Revenue Breakdown vs. Sunbelt, MAC and MWC.  Does not include 2011

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=549645

Newest Member ODU Facilities

http://www.odusports.com/ot/oldd-new-facilities.html
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I would support a move to CUSA if it meant we got beer sales in Peden and the Convo. But that's not ever going to happen thanks to Palmerfest, so I'm like whatevs.


I had nothing to do with that decision.
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I wouldn't support a CUSA move in it's current format... but if the MAC-East merged with the CUSA- East to form a new conference... i'd be down.
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Alright, NOW I see why C-USA extended an invite to ODU.  They have some amazing and beautiful facilities compared to some of ours.
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