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Posted: 9/21/2010 3:00 PM
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I mentioned this before, but I guess it was ignored.  I would LOVE to be Rufus, and would do a damn good job, but I have NO IDEA who to go to, or what it requires.  THAT'S why no one tries out to be Rufus...


We need CheerGuy to chime in here...

Part of the reason I think this is such a black eye is that it publicizes yet again that Ohio just doesn't take the details seriously.

The fact that someone who's not a student in good standing can even put himself in this position is a joke...Not to mention that we have a kid here who's actually passionate about Ohio Athletics and he can't find a try out.

Don't get me wrong...Bobcat Broadcasting and Sports Marketing have come a LONG LONG way in putting a dent in this issue.  The problem is things like the pathetic sound system in Peden; Music being played over the 110 at critical game junctures; The fact that we not only gave visiting teams the advantage of being on the opposite side of the field from the O-Zone and at the same time plant them directly in front of the visitors section; Running out of bottled water before the end of the 1st half when it's 90 degrees out; Allowing the guy that's advocating ticketing player cars, equipment trucks and Pepsi delivery trucks to continue to do so; Don't even get me going on the "Citizen's Bank First Downs...

Too much of what we do and what we over look screams bush league...

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NO WE DIDNT WIN THE GAME BUT WE WON THE MASCOT FIGHT.


In what world did we win the mascot fight?  Our guy blindsided the nut and bounced off him and lost his head.  He then tried to tackle him from behind and failed again. He then got escorted away by security. 


That's what gets me about the whole thing. For having planned this for the last year, year and a half, he didn't exicute very well.  He's actually kinda lucky that he nor Brutus was trampled by the football team when he first launched himself at hm.
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That speaks volume about a fans lack of knowledge of football.  I'm sorry, but no one that went to Ohio State ever just says they went to Ohio.  We're always Ohio State, O-state, THE Ohio State University.  If anyting the only mistake people SHOULD ever have is calling you guys University of Ohio.


Yet the OSUB does script Ohio, at Ohio Stadium, before the Ohio State players run out with just Ohio on the flags in front of them, followed by everybody chanting "OH-IO" even the comercials show have poeple just spelling out Ohio.

And you really wonder why there's a dissconnect?

Even your cheerleaders a few years ago dropped the state on thier uniforms.


Beat me to it although I was just going to bring up the band.
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We need CheerGuy to chime in here...


I have been chiming in

As I said before I have no idea how one goes about being Rufus.  I do agree that it should fall under cheerleading like it does at just about every other school in the country, or at least have try-outs for Rufus fall with Cheerleading try-outs.  I'm sure a cheer coach or cheerleading captain is just as qualified to make a choice as the volleyball coach is.

I even tried to google Rufus try out instructions, and could not find anything.
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5. Was this your first act of mascot-on-mascot violence?

 

 

Before this, I actually got in a fight with the Buffalo mascot. He's a bull. I started it. I was thinking I should go ahead and try out tackling another mascot. I brought a red square cape thing, like in a bullfight. He was just playing around, acting like he was charging me. I tackled him and put him on the ground. It was pretty funny. No one got upset because it wasn't Ohio State.




ding ding ding.

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That speaks volume about a fans lack of knowledge of football.  I'm sorry, but no one that went to Ohio State ever just says they went to Ohio.  We're always Ohio State, O-state, THE Ohio State University.  If anyting the only mistake people SHOULD ever have is calling you guys University of Ohio.


Yet the OSUB does script Ohio, at Ohio Stadium, before the Ohio State players run out with just Ohio on the flags in front of them, followed by everybody chanting "OH-IO" even the comercials show have poeple just spelling out Ohio.

And you really wonder why there's a dissconnect?

Even your cheerleaders a few years ago dropped the state on thier uniforms.


Bobcatgrad86, one thing we always agree on is our disdain for hypocrisy and athletes getting into trouble.

As for Ohio Stadium....Well if we would have built a stadium before Columbus did we could have taken that name, however Ohio Stadium predates Peden so that is our own fault.

As for mistaking us for OSU, when you are talking about being in other parts of the country and people are not sure who OHIO is or who OSU is, maybe try looking at things in a way that they are telling you they don't know who the Buckeyes are.  If they did they would know when they see Green associated with OHIO they don't even know the proper colors of OSU, which means they are not taken in by all the B.S. that goes with some OSU fans.
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5. Was this your first act of mascot-on-mascot violence?

 

 

Before this, I actually got in a fight with the Buffalo mascot. He's a bull. I started it. I was thinking I should go ahead and try out tackling another mascot. I brought a red square cape thing, like in a bullfight. He was just playing around, acting like he was charging me. I tackled him and put him on the ground. It was pretty funny. No one got upset because it wasn't Ohio State.




ding ding ding.



The ding, ding, ding here is that the two were already engaged in a playful banter.  One was not blindly attacked.
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That speaks volume about a fans lack of knowledge of football.  I'm sorry, but no one that went to Ohio State ever just says they went to Ohio.  We're always Ohio State, O-state, THE Ohio State University.  If anyting the only mistake people SHOULD ever have is calling you guys University of Ohio.


Yet the OSUB does script Ohio, at Ohio Stadium, before the Ohio State players run out with just Ohio on the flags in front of them, followed by everybody chanting "OH-IO" even the comercials show have poeple just spelling out Ohio.

And you really wonder why there's a dissconnect?

Even your cheerleaders a few years ago dropped the state on thier uniforms.


The issue is with the claim of Ohio.  You use it for the university.  We use it for the state we reside in.  Ohio State is Ohio state's University  (yes I know that is a different source of anger towards it but I'm not getting into that now.)  When they do Script Ohio, it's the State of Ohio.  When they have O H I O on the flags, it's the State of Ohio.  When they cheer OH-IO, it's the state of Ohio.

We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from Ohio (Notice, it's not Columbus)


Regarding what the ambassadors wear (in this case the cheerleaders) look at the video of the Mascot attack.  The cheerleaders plainly have Ohio State written through their uniform.  I don't know how far back I'd have to look to see it just say Ohio, but ever since I went to school there (1995) it said Ohio State on the logo.

This is also why we're the Buckeyes. (State Tree)
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Jay Mohr led off with this today as guest host of the Jim Rome show on ESPN Radio.  Totally dissed Brutus the Buckeye and tOSU in general  ("What is a buckeye?  A poisonous nut").  According to Mohr, Rufus "beat the snot" out of Brutus.  He also noted that Ohio students go to class and study hard while tOSU students walk around in flip flops and can't remember their SAT scores.

I suppose anything that leads the national media to make fun of tOSU can't be all bad.  How I wish it was because Ohio had beaten the snot out of tOSU on the football field instead.
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We need CheerGuy to chime in here...


I have been chiming in

As I said before I have no idea how one goes about being Rufus.  I do agree that it should fall under cheerleading like it does at just about every other school in the country, or at least have try-outs for Rufus fall with Cheerleading try-outs.  I'm sure a cheer coach or cheerleading captain is just as qualified to make a choice as the volleyball coach is.

I even tried to google Rufus try out instructions, and could not find anything.


Ahhhh...Sorry about that...The new alias threw me off... 

I just nudged both the AD's office and the Cheer Leading Coach / Advisor to get in touch with Tyler...
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For a little perspective, they clearly haven't recovered from this.

Discuss...and remember...this past weekend's event is nothing in the grand scheme of things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmoIjMr1BZs
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For a little perspective, they clearly haven't recovered from this.

Discuss...and remember...this past weekend's event is nothing in the grand scheme of things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmoIjMr1BZs


Because clearly, the media isn't making a mountain out of a molehill.  It's solely Ohio State fans doing all this.

Was it wrong?  Yes.  Should he be removed as Rufus?  Yes.  Should anything else happen?  No.
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The issue is with the claim of Ohio.  You use it for the university.  We use it for the state we reside in.  Ohio State is Ohio state's University  (yes I know that is a different source of anger towards it but I'm not getting into that now.)  When they do Script Ohio, it's the State of Ohio.  When they have O H I O on the flags, it's the State of Ohio.  When they cheer OH-IO, it's the state of Ohio.

We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from Ohio (Notice, it's not Columbus)


Regarding what the ambassadors wear (in this case the cheerleaders) look at the video of the Mascot attack.  The cheerleaders plainly have Ohio State written through their uniform.  I don't know how far back I'd have to look to see it just say Ohio, but ever since I went to school there (1995) it said Ohio State on the logo.

This is also why we're the Buckeyes. (State Tree)


I realize after I posted how the cheerleader thing could be miss interpreted.  I didn't mean to insinuate that they STILL have just Ohio, but that they did at one point.  In fact, if I'm not mistaken, it was one of the things that lead up the whole 'who is ohio' lawsuit of the mid 90's.

Spin it how you want, but there's a reason why the OH-IO cheer is done at Ohio State and not at Akron, OU, Miami, Ohio Northern, ODU, et all games.  It's an Ohio State cheer, and is refrenced with Ohio State.

Further more, Ohio State does not represent the whole state of Ohio, as much as they would like to think they would.  They represent...Ohio State...and possibly Columbus to a certain degree.  To say 'we have the o h i o flags because we're from Ohio' is disingenuous at best, incredebly arrogant at worst.
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The issue is with the claim of Ohio.  You use it for the university.  We use it for the state we reside in.  Ohio State is Ohio state's University  (yes I know that is a different source of anger towards it but I'm not getting into that now.)  When they do Script Ohio, it's the State of Ohio.  When they have O H I O on the flags, it's the State of Ohio.  When they cheer OH-IO, it's the state of Ohio.


You are missing the point entirely.  Michigan State fans don't cheer M-I-C-H-I-G-A-N, even though they reside in the state and have state pride.  Florida State fans don't cheer F-L-O-R-I-D-A.  I don't remember ever hearing Penn State fans say "Go Penn!" even though they are the biggest and most publicized institution in the state.  Same with Virginia Tech fans, Illinois State fans, Washington State fans, Oregon State fans, etc.  Only Ohio State fans think that it is natural to use the state's name in this manner.  The fact that you think there is a valid distinction, and have trouble understanding the issue, is indicative of the entire problem.
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The issue is with the claim of Ohio.  You use it for the university.  We use it for the state we reside in.  Ohio State is Ohio state's University  (yes I know that is a different source of anger towards it but I'm not getting into that now.)  When they do Script Ohio, it's the State of Ohio.  When they have O H I O on the flags, it's the State of Ohio.  When they cheer OH-IO, it's the state of Ohio.

We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from Ohio (Notice, it's not Columbus)


Regarding what the ambassadors wear (in this case the cheerleaders) look at the video of the Mascot attack.  The cheerleaders plainly have Ohio State written through their uniform.  I don't know how far back I'd have to look to see it just say Ohio, but ever since I went to school there (1995) it said Ohio State on the logo.

This is also why we're the Buckeyes. (State Tree)


I realize after I posted how the cheerleader thing could be miss interpreted.  I didn't mean to insinuate that they STILL have just Ohio, but that they did at one point.  In fact, if I'm not mistaken, it was one of the things that lead up the whole 'who is ohio' lawsuit of the mid 90's.

Spin it how you want, but there's a reason why the OH-IO cheer is done at Ohio State and not at Akron, OU, Miami, Ohio Northern, ODU, et all games.  It's an Ohio State cheer, and is refrenced with Ohio State.

Further more, Ohio State does not represent the whole state of Ohio, as much as they would like to think they would.  They represent...Ohio State...and possibly Columbus to a certain degree.  To say 'we have the o h i o flags because we're from Ohio' is disingenuous at best, incredebly arrogant at worst.


No arrogance intended.  I was talking about having the o h i o flags because we are the state university of Ohio.  That's what I'm trying to say.  I'm sure that's not enough to satisfy you, but that's honeslty the rationalization I know of doing all that.
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The issue is with the claim of Ohio.  You use it for the university.  We use it for the state we reside in.  Ohio State is Ohio state's University  (yes I know that is a different source of anger towards it but I'm not getting into that now.)  When they do Script Ohio, it's the State of Ohio.  When they have O H I O on the flags, it's the State of Ohio.  When they cheer OH-IO, it's the state of Ohio.


You would have no problem whatsoever with any other school in the state of Ohio doing Script Ohio? Please be honest. I have a hard time believing that 100,000 osu fans wouldn't riot if another Ohio school's band did Script Ohio in Ohio Stadium.

Also, as I pointed out last week, under the Ohio Revised Code, osu is officially "The Ohio State University." OU is officially "The Ohio University". Given those official name designations, what is your basis for asserting that osu is "Ohio state's University"?  Under what I am gathering to be your logic, OU can just as easily claim that it is "Ohio's University." There's not much difference in being "Ohio state's University" and "Ohio's University".

Also also, how do you reconcile your statements above with the lawsuit several years ago in which osu sought the use of the word "Ohio" for official university purposes, and was denied? I don't have the link, somebody give it to him.
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As for Ohio Stadium....Well if we would have built a stadium before Columbus did we could have taken that name, however Ohio Stadium predates Peden so that is our own fault.

As for mistaking us for OSU, when you are talking about being in other parts of the country and people are not sure who OHIO is or who OSU is, maybe try looking at things in a way that they are telling you they don't know who the Buckeyes are.  If they did they would know when they see Green associated with OHIO they don't even know the proper colors of OSU, which means they are not taken in by all the B.S. that goes with some OSU fans.


The university still predates ohio field by 90 years.

Unless one of these Buckeye posters want to tell a story where somebody came up to them while they were wearng scarlet and grey, with the word Ohio on thier chest, and a fan of aother school said, "Are you the Bobcats?"  I don't think your point holds true, althought I do see where you are coming from.

I take it more that people don't realize there are other D1 programs in Ohio, even if we are just in the MAC.
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The issue is with the claim of Ohio.  You use it for the university.  We use it for the state we reside in.  Ohio State is Ohio state's University  (yes I know that is a different source of anger towards it but I'm not getting into that now.)  When they do Script Ohio, it's the State of Ohio.  When they have O H I O on the flags, it's the State of Ohio.  When they cheer OH-IO, it's the state of Ohio.

We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from Ohio (Notice, it's not Columbus)


Regarding what the ambassadors wear (in this case the cheerleaders) look at the video of the Mascot attack.  The cheerleaders plainly have Ohio State written through their uniform.  I don't know how far back I'd have to look to see it just say Ohio, but ever since I went to school there (1995) it said Ohio State on the logo.

This is also why we're the Buckeyes. (State Tree)


It's this type of arrogance that has led me to dislike Ohio State and their fans immensely.  I came to Athens (from out of state) as an Ohio State fan. I grew up rooting for the Buckeyes because my Dad was an alum and a big Buckeye fan.  It didn't take long before the absolute arrogance of the Buckeye fans drained me of any allegiance I might have had. 

You don't represent the State of Ohio any more than Miami represents the State of Ohio or Bowling Green represents the State of Ohio.  You don't see the Redhawks or Falcon bands spelling out Ohio do you?  You are Ohio State University.  Oh yeah, I forgot, you are the Ohio State University you arrogant f****! 
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The issue is with the claim of Ohio.  You use it for the university.  We use it for the state we reside in.  Ohio State is Ohio state's University  (yes I know that is a different source of anger towards it but I'm not getting into that now.)  When they do Script Ohio, it's the State of Ohio.  When they have O H I O on the flags, it's the State of Ohio.  When they cheer OH-IO, it's the state of Ohio.


You are missing the point entirely.  Michigan State fans don't cheer M-I-C-H-I-G-A-N, even though they reside in the state and have state pride.  Florida State fans don't cheer F-L-O-R-I-D-A.  I don't remember ever hearing Penn State fans say "Go Penn!" even though they are the biggest and most publicized institution in the state.  Same with Virginia Tech fans, Illinois State fans, Washington State fans, Oregon State fans, etc.  Only Ohio State fans think that it is natural to use the state's name in this manner.  The fact that you think there is a valid distinction, and have trouble understanding the issue, is indicative of the entire problem.


Should we have issues with Kent State and Wright State then?
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No arrogance intended.  I was talking about having the o h i o flags because we are the state university of Ohio.  That's what I'm trying to say.  I'm sure that's not enough to satisfy you, but that's honeslty the rationalization I know of doing all that.


You are A state university in Ohio.

Examples:
Akron
Kent
Miami
Cincinnati
Toledo
Bowling Green...STATE...University
Ohio
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A Ohio State University.

Now go away so we can talk about you behind your back.

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Should we have issues with Kent State and Wright State then?


Exactly...

Kent is A state university in Ohio..

Just like...Ohio State.

Eegads.

Is this mob getting louder or dumber?
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Enjoy the Marshall/American Western Game this week.

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No arrogance intended.  I was talking about having the o h i o flags because we are the state university of Ohio.



Please read what I just quoted you as saying, and think about it.

It is impossible to reconcile those two statements.
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The issue is with the claim of Ohio.  You use it for the university.  We use it for the state we reside in.  Ohio State is Ohio state's University  (yes I know that is a different source of anger towards it but I'm not getting into that now.)  When they do Script Ohio, it's the State of Ohio.  When they have O H I O on the flags, it's the State of Ohio.  When they cheer OH-IO, it's the state of Ohio.


You are missing the point entirely.  Michigan State fans don't cheer M-I-C-H-I-G-A-N, even though they reside in the state and have state pride.  Florida State fans don't cheer F-L-O-R-I-D-A.  I don't remember ever hearing Penn State fans say "Go Penn!" even though they are the biggest and most publicized institution in the state.  Same with Virginia Tech fans, Illinois State fans, Washington State fans, Oregon State fans, etc.  Only Ohio State fans think that it is natural to use the state's name in this manner.  The fact that you think there is a valid distinction, and have trouble understanding the issue, is indicative of the entire problem.


Should we have issues with Kent State and Wright State then?


That actually couldn't relate less to what I was talking about.  Kent State and Ohio State share the word state.  No one at Kent State - to my knowledge - cheers "Go State!" so the two are in no way analogous. 

The better analogy is the fact that Penn State fans don't cheer P-E-N-N even though they are the largest and highest profile school in the state.  Indeed, that is because there is a University of Pennsylvania, which is Penn to their Penn State.  Ohio vs. Ohio State is exactly the same thing. 
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do you not see the arrogance of stating that your university represents everybody in the 7th most populated state in the country? A state that has 7 other FBS football programs in it? Wyoming only has 1 FBS school and a population the size of Columbus and they wouldn't even make such an arrogant, ignorant claim.

I realize that the only way to tamper down these delusional references to Ohio State as Ohio is for OHIO to gain prominence on the national stage so more people can make the easy observation- "hey, those fans in red are cheering for the team in green, whats are they stupid?"

Nobody is going to come to your rediculous conclusion of "ah, I see, the team in red is cheering for the geographical region the school is located in, instead of cheering for the name of the actual school they attend. That makes total sense."
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