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Posted: 7/23/2012 10:05 AM
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A 1-0 start is looking good for the Bobcats!
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Posted: 7/23/2012 10:07 AM
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Do the players have to make the decision now if they want to transfer or can they decide anytime between now and 4 years and still not have to sit out.

Just wondering about the rule.  If they have to make it now then we may unfortunately see a mass exodus from Penn State.  

This is not how I want to see the Bobcats take on PSU.   I hope the players from PSU decide to stay.

 



Current players and current PSU recruits have their full five-year period of eligibility to elect to transfer without penalty.



Current players can also opt to keep their scholarships at PSU and quit the football team. If I had no chance at the NFL, would be tempting to just focus on academics and still receive a free education.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 10:09 AM
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This should be on the institution and the individuals involved.  NONE of the current players did anything wrong (I guess).  So freeze PSU where they are for two years with no new schollies for that period of time.


It was said that all student athletes currently under scholarship at Penn State can remain under scholarship if they meet academic requirements. But all players can transfer to any FBS school immediately. However, only reason to transfer is because o thef 4-year postseason ban - and that it may be difficult to compete in the future. Seems like a lame reason to transfer.


I think that transfers happen fairly frequently under these circumstances. Players, especially top flight players, want to play for conference championships, national championships, and in bowls. This means that any player this year, as well as any player next year who has only 3 years (or less) of eligibility left, as well as any player 2014-15 year who has only 2 years (or less) of eligibility left, as well as any player 2015-16 who has only 1 year of eligibility left can transfer penalty free.


The only thing is that we are a month and a half away from the season. You have been practicing all summer, which I assume hasn't been easy.

If you transfer this year, it will be hard to make an impact at another FBS school in year one.

But, if you are a backup player who is an underclassman - you are right, be a good time to transfer.

Didn't know about the future years, don't believe that was said in the press conference (may have, watching and working at the same time, so I may have missed it) -  but it was probably included in a release of some kind. Good info, thanks for sharing.


I don't think it was stated in the release, but that a standard rule for post-season bans. I agree, I don't think we'll see anyone jump ship for this season, unless they are forced out, if for no other reason than because most other schools also have full rosters at this point.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 10:12 AM
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Scholarship limits are relaxed on teams who wish to recruit current Penn State players and recruits. We should be on the phone with any players we recruited who went to Penn State.. an hour ago.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 10:22 AM
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Scholarship limits are relaxed on teams who wish to recruit current Penn State players and recruits. We should be on the phone with any players we recruited who went to Penn State.. an hour ago.


I just saw that too. Wow.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 10:22 AM
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Scholarship limits are relaxed on teams who wish to recruit current Penn State players and recruits. We should be on the phone with any players we recruited who went to Penn State.. an hour ago.


I don't think it's exactly legal for other teams to poach players like that, even in this kind of situation...

EDIT: never mind, just read that same clause.  Kind of amazing that they would let them do that though...
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And if you think it's somehow unsavory for us to poach PSU's players, well, Akron is already on the phones--and for the first time EVER, it's endorsed by the NCAA. 
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I'm not much in favor of doing anything that makes us more like Akron.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 10:39 AM
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It appears that the NCAA has not included a TV ban.







GO BOBCATS
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Posted: 7/23/2012 11:01 AM
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This should be on the institution and the individuals involved.  NONE of the current players did anything wrong (I guess).  So freeze PSU where they are for two years with no new schollies for that period of time.


It was said that all student athletes currently under scholarship at Penn State can remain under scholarship if they meet academic requirements. But all players can transfer to any FBS school immediately. However, only reason to transfer is because o thef 4-year postseason ban - and that it may be difficult to compete in the future. Seems like a lame reason to transfer.


I think that transfers happen fairly frequently under these circumstances. Players, especially top flight players, want to play for conference championships, national championships, and in bowls. This means that any player this year, as well as any player next year who has only 3 years (or less) of eligibility left, as well as any player 2014-15 year who has only 2 years (or less) of eligibility left, as well as any player 2015-16 who has only 1 year of eligibility left can transfer penalty free.


The only thing is that we are a month and a half away from the season. You have been practicing all summer, which I assume hasn't been easy.

If you transfer this year, it will be hard to make an impact at another FBS school in year one.

But, if you are a backup player who is an underclassman - you are right, be a good time to transfer.

Didn't know about the future years, don't believe that was said in the press conference (may have, watching and working at the same time, so I may have missed it) -  but it was probably included in a release of some kind. Good info, thanks for sharing.


I don't think it was stated in the release, but that a standard rule for post-season bans. I agree, I don't think we'll see anyone jump ship for this season, unless they are forced out, if for no other reason than because most other schools also have full rosters at this point.


If I was a player who didn't think I was going to get a lot of playing time, then you have to consider transferring.

I assume this thought has entered into every player's mind this summer - I can't imagine what they are thinking now.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 11:06 AM
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Anyone else surprised Penn State isn't suing the NCAA and pursuing and injuction over this as the NCAA didn't follow any of their established rules for reviewing cases and setting penalties, and there's a good argument to be made this doesn't fall under their jurisdiction at all anyway?
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Posted: 7/23/2012 11:09 AM
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Anyone else surprised Penn State isn't suing the NCAA and pursuing and injuction over this as the NCAA didn't follow any of their established rules for reviewing cases and setting penalties, and there's a good argument to be made this doesn't fall under their jurisdiction at all anyway?


I feel like Penn State would be lynched by the media if they even try to oppose anything by the NCAA.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 11:12 AM
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I think they're just glad they didn't get the death penalty.  The time it will take to bounce back will be shorter than what happened to SMU.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 11:13 AM
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Anyone else surprised Penn State isn't suing the NCAA and pursuing and injuction over this as the NCAA didn't follow any of their established rules for reviewing cases and setting penalties, and there's a good argument to be made this doesn't fall under their jurisdiction at all anyway?


I'm pretty sure I read that they signed off on the punishments.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 11:25 AM
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Yeah, they cloaked Penn State's acquiescence in some legalistic language in the document, but Penn  State signed off on this.

I imagine Emmert had a don't-fight--me-on-this look on his face as he handed them the document to sign, however.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 11:30 AM
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Anyone else surprised Penn State isn't suing the NCAA and pursuing and injuction over this as the NCAA didn't follow any of their established rules for reviewing cases and setting penalties, and there's a good argument to be made this doesn't fall under their jurisdiction at all anyway?


I'm pretty sure I read that they signed off on the punishments.


That is what I read, there is an agreement Penn State signed that basically said they agree with the NCAA penalties/ can't persue legal action against the penalties.

Now the question is how many guys transfer and will Penn State be even able to field a team this year. While I can see alot of underclassman transfer, if you are a good senior player, I am sure other teams will recruit them promising them playing time. So if you are the starting senior and a team like Oklahoma/Texas/Arkansas/Georgia comes calling needing that position and a chance to make a difference to play for a national championship???

Heck, if you are Frank Solich do you make some calls? A player or two could elevate this team to something special.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 11:40 AM
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I don't really know if I'd want Frank to poach other teams players.  Yes, a couple kids recruited by a big time school would help out, possibly substantially.  But whether or not the NCAA said it was okay, it would taint our image in my eyes.  Frank has ran a very tight ship while here, I'd hate to see him stoop to the level of these other coaches.  To me, there's a fine line between legal and ethical.

I realize that we don't live in Beaver Cleaverville where everything is golly-gee perfect, but it's just my .02
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Posted: 7/23/2012 11:44 AM
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Lord Wellington Fisherburn wrote:expand_more
A 1-0 start is looking good for the Bobcats!
These guys are going to have a real chip on their shoulder. We wil be going into a real super charged situaton that will be difficult place to win in.
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^^^^^ I agree...I think this game just got a whole heck of a lot tougher. Those players that stay will be looking to take a lot of frustration out on us and the fans will just be happy to have a football game to attend. That stadium will be out for blood to prove a point.
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Players will be leaving in droves if they have enough eligibility. PSU will be little more than Gardner Webb come Sept 1.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 12:29 PM
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Summary of additional Big Ten penalties:


1. Can't participate in B1G Championship game (4 years)
2. No TV revenue from B1G bowl games;  PSU's share, estimated at $13 million, donated to child abuse prevention charity  (4 years)
3.  Places PSU on probation in conjunction with NCAA probation
4. Censures PSU
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Defections will likely be an underclassmen rather than an upperclassmen issue.  It's pretty late in the summer for a senior to latch onto another program and contribute.  Underclassmen, however, may find a better opportunity in the years to come elsewhere.  And I think any defections will likely not be an issue for the earlier games.  Depth doesn't matter as much over Labor Day as it does in October/November when injuries start to pile up.

Another aspect is the effect on the Big Tedozen's bowl commitments.  Now with O$U and PSU ineligible for this season, the Big Tedozen will likely find itself short on meeting the 8 or 9 bowl slots it's contract for this year.  Means the Pizza Bowl will have to look at other conferences, and there may be some openings in better-paying bowls for MAC teams.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 12:54 PM
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Anyone else surprised Penn State isn't suing the NCAA and pursuing and injuction over this as the NCAA didn't follow any of their established rules for reviewing cases and setting penalties, and there's a good argument to be made this doesn't fall under their jurisdiction at all anyway?

It's a lose-lose situation. Did the NCAA exceed it's authority? Probably. Did they follow their own procedures? No. Could the punishments get set aside? Maybe. Would Penn State 'win' if they did get them set aside? No. If they went to court over this, it would mean more bad press, probably decreased support in the state legislature, probably decreased contributions, and might threaten their core function as a University.

I'm never fond of lynch mobs, and not crazy about the NCAA creating new authority from scratch, but I'm also not going to defend Penn State in any way. Accepting the punishment is really the only option they had.

As for calling and recruiting Penn State players, let's hope the program has more class than that. Now, if the players initiate the call, and indicate an interest in transferring, that's another matter. I definitely would suggest increased effort recruiting Pennsylvania, though. In recent years Ohio has recruited a lot of good players out of there anyway, such as Strum, Harden, Huynh, and now might be a good time to get even more.
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Let me preface my comments by saying that  I have no affiliation with PSU, except for being married to a still loyal PSU fan.

I understand that the NCAA needed to do something.What I'm worried about is that this situation opens a Pandora's Box.Since PSU didn't (couldn't? )  fight this,does the NCAA now feel that they can step into other  "legal" situations and punish schools for other than NCAA rules violations ?

There is no question that the NCAA penalties are intened to not only punish PSU but to send a message to other schools.

What bothers me,and apparently a lot of people calling in to sports talk stations in NJ, is the NCAA vacating PSU's wins from 1998 to 2011.
This was done for 1 reason,to get Paterno's name out of the record books for D1 wins.
Wins are supposed to vacated for violations of NCAA rules.Those wins were earned by kids who were never accused of breaking any NCAA rules.Taking away their victories seems be punishing them for doing nothing but trying their best and playing hard.

If the reason for vacating the wins was Sandusky,then to be fair shouldn't they  also vacate the wins from when he was on their coaching staff ?

 
 
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Anyone else surprised Penn State isn't suing the NCAA and pursuing and injuction over this as the NCAA didn't follow any of their established rules for reviewing cases and setting penalties, and there's a good argument to be made this doesn't fall under their jurisdiction at all anyway?

It's a lose-lose situation. Did the NCAA exceed it's authority? Probably. Did they follow their own procedures? No. Could the punishments get set aside? Maybe. Would Penn State 'win' if they did get them set aside? No. If they went to court over this, it would mean more bad press, probably decreased support in the state legislature, probably decreased contributions, and might threaten their core function as a University.


Good points.  I think if I was Penn State the only thing I would fight is the 20 scholarships lost.  I'd do everything I could to get that down to 10.  Losing 20 a year for 4 years is going to kill that program more than anything else.
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