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Posted: 7/24/2012 9:10 AM
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I would rather Ohio open against any school OTHER THAN Penn State.  Make that any school in any division.

* Will the buildup to the game be emphasizing the relative merits of Lions and Bobcats players?

* Or will the focus be on the penalties and their possible negative effects on Lions' morale?

* If Ohio should win - not a lock by any means - to what extent will the penalties diminish Ohio's accomplishment?

Ironic that Penn State's first post-penalty opponent is Ohio - when Ohio was Marshall'sfirst scheduled opponent after the devastating plane crash.

      NCAA penalties announced today place Ohio in a no-win situation on Sept. 1 - a 180-degree reversal of a typical meeting between PSU (or other big 11 heavy) and a MAC team.


I agree, this game looked to be a game that Ohio could have pointed as a big positive on the national stage, if they could have pulled off the victory - very possible but not easy. Now If Ohio wins, it is talk is going to be about how fast Penn St. fell...and if Penn St. wins how much the MAC sucks.

I personally, don't see the team impacted too much this year, which is even worse for Ohio. I see two evenly matched teams with a lot more pressure on Ohio to win...hopefully, they will handle the pressure.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 10:00 AM
Per Mike and Mike this morning sr. running back Silas Redd contacted by  preseason fave USC and others.  Redd is a team leader and probably their best player.  If he goes the flood gates could open.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 11:11 AM
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Per Mike and Mike this morning sr. running back Silas Redd contacted by  preseason fave USC and others.  Redd is a team leader and probably their best player.  If he goes the flood gates could open.

I still don't think most will leave. While some may not blame them, it's difficult for a person to take the position of the rat, deserting the sinking ship. Normally, if the team had good morale, I'd expect them to pull together around this, rather than split apart. On the other hand, the situation is complicated by the fact that there is an entirely new coaching staff in place, and that may create some new internal conflicts, in addition to the rest of the emotionally charged atmosphere.

As I understand it, these players have the option to leave at any time during their career at PSU. Therefore, while they may all stay this year, if it is a bad year, with some emotional lows along the way, some might leave at the end of the year. The whole situation is a way-more-than-normal challenge for O'Brian. Not only must he coach at a high level, he must do it short handed, and he has to also do it in a situation where any player can leave at any time. It's difficult to imagine that somewhere along the line some player won't at least hint "give me more playing time, or i'm out of here".

On another subject, PSU has always promoted itself as "linebacker U", in honor to the tradition of linebackers under Coach Sandusky. Will that nickname vanish, in that every time people hear it, they will be reminded of him?
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Posted: 7/24/2012 11:58 AM
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On another subject, PSU has always promoted itself as "linebacker U", in honor to the tradition of linebackers under Coach Sandusky. Will that nickname vanish, in that every time people hear it, they will be reminded of him?


Doubt it. I've heard them referred to as Linebacker U as long as I can remember, but this is the first time I'm hearing that Sandusky was linebackers coach/that the tradition was established under him. Maybe a generational thing?
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Posted: 7/24/2012 12:05 PM
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As I understand it, here are the answers to 71s questions:


>>> Will PSU call around and help these guys find another school?<<<

If a student athlete wants to transfer, I'd suspect that this would happen.

 
I think the full impact will not come until 2013 season, unless there are a huge number of transfers, which I don't expect.


Just to clarify... right now it is open season on ALL Penn State players. Right now every college is sending a list of player names to Penn State that they want to talk to. Penn State (I don't think) will faciliate those talks (ie PSU won't reach out to other teams) they will though have to tell those players which schools want to talk to them. I am also sure the players themselves will have parents/high school coaches reach out to schools they may be willing to go to, to see if there is interest.

While most of the current Penn State players are talking about saying, give them a week to let this set in. Wait til they get a list of 25+ schools that want to talk to them. Wait til some of those players see that USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia and other schools that are in the hunt for National Championship Contention start calling them.

One rumor is Michigan State sent a HUGE list of names to Penn State. What if LSU needs a certain position and wants a guy from Penn State to fill that position... that player will really have to think about it.

Like I said, it is all good to think right now they will stay at Penn State... defy the masses that are against them. It is a natural reaction. Then that player will see that team X wants them, and as the smoke clears they start thinking... Dang, if I go there I can help them win a National Championship. Or if you are the current backup and a school that is just as good as Penn State (name wise) wants you cuz they think you can start and help. That player might just want the opportunity to play right away.

I say within a week we will start hearing rumors. Heck, they already started. But the more that go, it could start a domino effect.
Last Edited: 7/24/2012 12:07:31 PM by Piney
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Posted: 7/24/2012 2:39 PM
if PSU players can go to another B1G school and not count against that school's 85 schol. limit then I would think the other schools in conference would want to poach as many players as possible just to bleed Penn State dry. Who cares if they'll play for you or not, better to have them on your bench then PSU's.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 4:26 PM
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if PSU players can go to another B1G school and not count against that school's 85 schol. limit then I would think the other schools in conference would want to poach as many players as possible just to bleed Penn State dry. Who cares if they'll play for you or not, better to have them on your bench then PSU's.


Is that you Woody channeling through PPost?
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Posted: 7/24/2012 9:46 PM
I believe that Penn State can go in one of two directions with this, and I think that both are presently being exhibited by two separate factions:
  1. Those in denial of the cover up are currently expressing denial/resentment/bitterness and feel that the innocent are being punished.  These are largely those Paterno loyalists including some Trustees, the Paterno family, Alumni and Students/Athletes that will be forever blind to what the Freeh report revealed.  They are never going to understand that some form of punishment needs to be meted out by a party other than the University itself, are likely to continue to be antagonistic and bitter, and will likely present a long term hostile environment for all outsiders.
  2. Those that have reached acceptance and are seeking to move on as quickly as possible without dwelling on the misdeeds of the few for which Penn State University will forever be responsible.  These are represented by the new President and most of the Board of Trustees that have come to grips with what took place and understand that although four years of the NCAA punishments are going to be difficult, it is far better for Happy Valley that experiencing no football for four years, which would cripple the local economy, extending beyond simply impacting the current FB staff and student athletes.
I am having visions of OHIO's trip to Virginia Tech in 2007, the year after the shootings there, and how Penn State could make lemonade out of lemons, if you pardon the cliche.

If you had the good fortune to have attended that game as I did, you may likely have been moved as I was.  It completely changed the entire experience of attending a football game for me, and what it means to be a good sport, forever.  The entire University leadership struck out on a mission to implement a culture of good sportsmanship, fair play and welcoming to visiting teams and their fans.  They banned the popular "stick it in" chant due to the sense poor taste that it exhibited.  I had never, EVER, been thanked and welcomed by the fans of the home team for attending their home game previously, and it was AWESOME!  They completely changed the culture of the campus and the game day experience.

At this point, the Penn State University leadership needs to fast track a culture change with the 107,000 game day attendees (assumes they sell about 1,000 visitors tix), most of whom represent group one above, as well as the encompassing region, in order to follow a model similar Virginia Tech's, or otherwise they will be mired in their own discontent for the decade they are likely to experience poor on the field results. The two situations aren't identical, but I think both were devastating in their own ways and make them very comparable.  If they don't act immediately, they will likely lose their constituency for a generation or more.

One man's humble opinion.

Last Edited: 7/24/2012 9:49:53 PM by D.A.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 10:29 PM
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I believe that Penn State can go in one of two directions with this, and I think that both are presently being exhibited by two separate factions:
  1. Those in denial of the cover up are currently expressing denial/resentment/bitterness and feel that the innocent are being punished.  These are largely those Paterno loyalists including some Trustees, the Paterno family, Alumni and Students/Athletes that will be forever blind to what the Freeh report revealed.  They are never going to understand that some form of punishment needs to be meted out by a party other than the University itself, are likely to continue to be antagonistic and bitter, and will likely present a long term hostile environment for all outsiders.
  2. Those that have reached acceptance and are seeking to move on as quickly as possible without dwelling on the misdeeds of the few for which Penn State University will forever be responsible.  These are represented by the new President and most of the Board of Trustees that have come to grips with what took place and understand that although four years of the NCAA punishments are going to be difficult, it is far better for Happy Valley that experiencing no football for four years, which would cripple the local economy, extending beyond simply impacting the current FB staff and student athletes.
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To be fair, people could (and here I'm thinking of students or student athletes) could both accept what the Freeh report said AND be bitter and feel that they are unfairly targeted by the sanctions. Something of a "I don't see why I'm being punished, I didn't rape any kids" attitude. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with that attitude, but for penn state, or for national commentators, to adopt the attitude that "If the fans/players don't accept these penalties without grumbling or bi***ing about it, they're by default blind to the crimes committed here" (i.e. there are only 2 types of people in this equation) is short sighted and will push the third group I layout in my first sentences into "group 1".

Just stirring the pot.
Last Edited: 7/24/2012 10:29:34 PM by mf279801
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Posted: 7/25/2012 2:06 AM
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I believe that Penn State can go in one of two directions with this, and I think that both are presently being exhibited by two separate factions:
  1. Those in denial of the cover up are currently expressing denial/resentment/bitterness and feel that the innocent are being punished.  These are largely those Paterno loyalists including some Trustees, the Paterno family, Alumni and Students/Athletes that will be forever blind to what the Freeh report revealed.  They are never going to understand that some form of punishment needs to be meted out by a party other than the University itself, are likely to continue to be antagonistic and bitter, and will likely present a long term hostile environment for all outsiders.
They can disagree with the report showed with regards to specific people, i.e. Paterno, but they can't disagree with the fact that there was a failing with the overall system. No one disputes that University officials had the information necessary, and no one disputes that it was never reported to the proper authorities. Therefore regardless of which individual was at fault, the University as a whole failed.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 12:54 PM
A large portion of the PSU football team publicly announced their unwaivering commmittment Penn State:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8198093/quarterback-matt-mcgloin-others-say-stay-penn-state-nittany-lions

They are the last group of guys that joined Penn State for what it was. How they perform this season will directly affect what it will become. I'm afraid of the level of intensity they will bring in the game against OHIO. They're trapped in a corner. I'm not saying they'll be driven by fear or anger, but believe that fear and anger will enable Penn State to achieve a level of competition they wouldn't have brought to this game otherwise.

I know Frank's team has been looking forward to this game for a while. But it appears that OUr guys will have to go "all in" emotionally just to match the intensity.

OUr gameplan will be sound; athletically we can compete. What ever team wants it more is going to walk away with this one, leaving the other emotionally defeated.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 1:01 PM
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A large portion of the PSU football team publicly announced their unwaivering commmittment Penn State:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8198093/quarterback-matt-mcgloin-others-say-stay-penn-state-nittany-lions

They are the last group of guys that joined Penn State for what it was. How they perform this season will directly affect what it will become. I'm afraid of the level of intensity they will bring in the game against OHIO. They're trapped in a corner. I'm not saying they'll be driven by fear or anger, but believe that fear and anger will enable Penn State to achieve a level of competition they wouldn't have brought to this game otherwise.

I know Frank's team has been looking forward to this game for a while. But it appears that OUr guys will have to go "all in" emotionally just to match the intensity.

OUr gameplan will be sound; athletically we can compete. What ever team wants it more is going to walk away with this one, leaving the other emotionally defeated.


Frank and the team aren't stupid....they now the buzzsaw hornets nest they're going into.  PSU wasn't that bad of a team to start with...they're just on a mission now. 

I don't think it will harm us emotionally if we lose or have much impact on the rest of the season.....unless we come out with injuries....that's my biggest concern.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 1:22 PM
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They're trapped in a corner. I'm not saying they'll be driven by fear or anger, but believe that fear and anger will enable Penn State to achieve a level of competition they wouldn't have brought to this game otherwise.


Our counter must be listening to Yoda.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 1:29 PM
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They're trapped in a corner. I'm not saying they'll be driven by fear or anger, but believe that fear and anger will enable Penn State to achieve a level of competition they wouldn't have brought to this game otherwise.


Our counter must be listening to Yoda.


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Posted: 7/25/2012 1:29 PM
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I don't think it will harm us emotionally if we lose or have much impact on the rest of the season.....unless we come out with injuries....that's my biggest concern.


I believe this team cares more about the yearly "big game" than one might be led to believe. Emotionally they were let down after Rutgers last year (hoping for a big win and continuing an undefeated season). The following game they snuck by Kent State by the skin of their teeth. Then lost puzzlers in succesion to Buffalo and Ball State (HC).

I think the Penn State game is far more important to the physche of this team than it looks on paper.

*OT: if TJ Carrie doesn't get taken out early in that Rutgers game (injury), Sanu does not break that Big East record.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 9:13 AM
well missoui was #44 , we won't be 43 either as the clue for tomorrow doesn't match Ohio.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 11:29 AM
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well missoui was #44 , we won't be 43 either as the clue for tomorrow doesn't match Ohio.


Are we sure they haven't just forgotten Ohio?  Being ranked among the top 43 or so is almost unbelievable.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 1:10 PM
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I don't get the cancellation talk at all.  Next year?  Maybe--though I doubt it.  (Penalty won't be death; it'll be substantial, but less.) 

Think about it.  The PSU community is hurting bigtime.  Would NCAA be doing anyone--particularly ITS OWN REPUTATION--by slamming down right now on the footballers?

Not gonna happen.


Yeah and they think their quick fix is a guaranteed win over a MAC school who will give up after their first hit.

Uhhhhh....your best player RB Silas Redd will be goin to USC......sure you can circle the wagons...but don't say this first game is a given win.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:34 PM
I know one thing: I don't want Silas Redd or any other Lions to transfer.  I don't want revisionist analysis of why we beat them on 9/1.  I just want to know that OUr best was better than their best.  PERIOD.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 9:41 PM
I'm taking the other position. I want a W. I'll enjoy it almost as much if it comes against a bunch of Chess Team members drafted and put into pads at the last minute as I would if it came against a 2-deep of All Americans.
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Posted: 7/27/2012 12:27 PM
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well missoui was #44 , we won't be 43 either as the clue for tomorrow doesn't match Ohio.


Are we sure they haven't just forgotten Ohio?  Being ranked among the top 43 or so is almost unbelievable.


I've heard some who think we will be #35. 
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Posted: 7/27/2012 12:36 PM
CBS sports has Penn State 31 and us 38....they also on their fantasy news have Tyler Tettleton the 10th best offensive player in the country regardless of position....sans linemen of course.
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Posted: 7/27/2012 12:54 PM
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CBS sports has Penn State 31 and us 38....they also on their fantasy news have Tyler Tettleton the 10th best offensive player in the country regardless of position....sans linemen of course.


The rankings you're referring to, if they're the same one's I'm looking at, last season's end of the year positions.

TT was a beast for me last year in fantasy.

EDIT: The team rankings that is.
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Posted: 7/27/2012 1:42 PM
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I know one thing: I don't want Silas Redd or any other Lions to transfer.  


Sounds like it is a done deal.
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Posted: 7/27/2012 4:43 PM
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...Just imagine being Penn State and trying to sell to a recruit that he has no chance in playing for a championship game...


yeah it would be like trying to recruit players to come to Akron.


+1!


(Sorry; I've been busy all week and I'm just now getting back here....)

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