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Posted: 8/7/2012 1:12 PM
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I think the PSU penalties were appropriate.  I think PSU had a total loss of institutional control probably not equaled in the history of American academe.  However, to call PSU "Rape U" is ridiculous.  And, to implicate the city government is likewise not warranted, at least in terms of the facts that have thus far been revealed.  If you know anything about child sexual abuse, you know that the victims are so ashamed that they very seldom say anything about it until they develop other psychological problems (usually as a result of the repression of the sexual abuse) and it finally comes out in therapy by sensitive questioning at the hands of a very well-trained and astute mental health professional.  As I said in a previous post, this happened to a member of my extended family and I've witnessed the tremendous devastation that this type of abuse can have on a young man.  Sandusky is a monster, and all such monsters need to be exposed and punished as soon as there is evidence of their molestation activities.  The coverup for about a dozen years at PSU is just totally unconscionable. 

Edit:  OK, I just reread your posts and I see that "Rape College" is suppose to refer to "State College" and not PSU.  My comments still stand.  You have no evidence that the victims were talking about this and that city officials were part of the coverup.  This is a very bad situation, but your slanderous comments do nothing to enlighten and only serve to inflame and hurt.


Well, it may not be over.  Several Penn St. BOT members have filed a lawsuit against the NCAA stating they have no right or authority to punish Penn St. over this matter especially by using the Freeh report.  Remind you PSU paid for the report ($7 million) and agreed (the school president) with the NCAA to use it as the bases for the investigation.  As for the BOT latest move PSU president and the NCAA had no comment.  Understand the NCAA won't comment on it because they made it clear right after the announcement they still hold options for  the death penalty (4 years) if the school doesn't follow through with punishment. 
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Posted: 8/7/2012 2:32 PM
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OK, I just reread your posts and I see that "**** College" is suppose to refer to "State College" and not PSU.


Try on State Penn, it is far less insulting to the victims.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 2:51 PM
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The whole point of the argument is not your points.  You want to argue that the cover up was bigger than what the Freeh report had said?  Fine.  You want to call Penn State fans dillusional for justifying Paterno?  Fine.  You want to call an entire school "Rape College?"  Not cool. 

Heck, even Jeff Ross on a Comedy Central Roast apologized for making fun of Penn State.



+1. 

This whole thing still highlights what I see as a huge issue, which is the hypocrisy called the NCAA, and it's partner in hypocrisy the BCS.  I think they punished Penn State because public opinion said they had to.  I'm no expert on all the NCAA rules, but I'm fairly certain few NCAA rules were violated, which does give them a valid argument regarding these sanctions.  Of course I believe that the rules they violated are much more significant than NCAA rules.  Rules of human decency, laws of the United States of America, and the State of Pennsylvania.  I do find it rather astonishing that the PSU board has the balls to fight this, given what the public perception will be.  Obviously there's too much money involved not to.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 3:36 PM
It's not the board, it's three rogue members.  It'll be interesting to see, but I doubt that the court will even think they have standing to sue.  This is getting to be a three-ring circus.  Maybe the NCAA will have to step in and issue that Death Penalty.  It's clear some folks in State College are really clueless and think they can get back to "business as usual."
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Posted: 8/7/2012 3:57 PM
They may be suing on some sort of a quasi-derivative standing theory. Since there aren't "shareholders" in a public university to bring the suit, the plaintiff trustees may be suing on behalf of the university on the grounds that the president and non-plaintiff trustees have abdicated their resposibility/breached their duty to the university by entering into the consent agreement.

No idea if that is a winning argument, but it's the best theory I could come up with after 30 seconds of pondering.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 5:13 PM
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The whole point of the argument is not your points.  You want to argue that the cover up was bigger than what the Freeh report had said?  Fine.  You want to call Penn State fans dillusional for justifying Paterno?  Fine.  You want to call an entire school "Rape College?"  Not cool. 

Heck, even Jeff Ross on a Comedy Central Roast apologized for making fun of Penn State.



+1. 

This whole thing still highlights what I see as a huge issue, which is the hypocrisy called the NCAA, and it's partner in hypocrisy the BCS.  I think they punished Penn State because public opinion said they had to.  I'm no expert on all the NCAA rules, but I'm fairly certain few NCAA rules were violated, which does give them a valid argument regarding these sanctions.  Of course I believe that the rules they violated are much more significant than NCAA rules.  Rules of human decency, laws of the United States of America, and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.  I do find it rather astonishing that the PSU board has the balls to fight this, given what the public perception will be.  Obviously there's too much money involved not to.


Fixed that.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 5:22 PM
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...  I do find it rather astonishing that the PSU board has the balls to fight this, given what the public perception will be.  Obviously there's too much money involved not to.

Like others here, I expect it to be thrown out from a lack of standing. Still, it would be interesting to have it go through, and have these sanctions removed on the basis that the President had no authority to accept the deal. I would expect that if that happens, these sanctions would be replaced with the death penalty.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 10:23 AM
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The whole point of the argument is not your points.  You want to argue that the cover up was bigger than what the Freeh report had said?  Fine.  You want to call Penn State fans dillusional for justifying Paterno?  Fine.  You want to call an entire school "Rape College?"  Not cool. 

Heck, even Jeff Ross on a Comedy Central Roast apologized for making fun of Penn State.



+1. 

This whole thing still highlights what I see as a huge issue, which is the hypocrisy called the NCAA, and it's partner in hypocrisy the BCS.  I think they punished Penn State because public opinion said they had to.  I'm no expert on all the NCAA rules, but I'm fairly certain few NCAA rules were violated, which does give them a valid argument regarding these sanctions.  Of course I believe that the rules they violated are much more significant than NCAA rules.  Rules of human decency, laws of the United States of America, and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.  I do find it rather astonishing that the PSU board has the balls to fight this, given what the public perception will be.  Obviously there's too much money involved not to.


Fixed that.


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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:46 AM
From Wikipedia:

"Four states use the official name of Commonwealth, rather than State.[8] However, this is merely a paper distinction, and the U.S. Constitution uniformly refers to all of these subnational jurisdictions as "States" (Article One, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution, concerning the U.S. House of Representatives, in which Representatives are to be elected by the people of the "States"; Article One, Section 3, Clause 1, concerning the U.S. Senate, allocates to each "State" two Senators). For all of these purposes, each of the four above-mentioned "Commonwealths" counts as a State."  [Emphasis mine]

The only entity having real commonwealth status in the United States is Puerto Rico.  All this reminds me of years ago when my wife and I were in Germany and spent a few days in the "Free State of Bavaria."  Bavarians think of themselves as having some special status in the German Federation, when in fact they don't.  They have exactly the same status as other states.   Oh yes, and our trip to Germany does have roots in Ohio football.  We were suppose to be going to Ireland for the Shamrock Bowl, but when it got cancelled we switched gears and went to Germany instead.   Was anyone else here signed up to go to that game?  Did you make alternate plans? 
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:38 PM

One of my lawyerly pet peeves is the commonwealth/state thing. It is REALLY annoying when someone in Kentucky tells you that you need to revise a deed because the notary block says "State of Kentucky" instead of "Commonwealth of Kentucky." Probably in my top 5 for annoying things about Kentucky.

Also, I think I may stop referring to us as "Bobcat Nation" and begin referring to us as "The Bobcat Commonwealth".

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Posted: 8/9/2012 3:19 PM
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One of my lawyerly pet peeves is the commonwealth/state thing. It is REALLY annoying when someone in Kentucky tells you that you need to revise a deed because the notary block says "State of Kentucky" instead of "Commonwealth of Kentucky." Probably in my top 5 for annoying things about Kentucky.

Also, I think I may stop referring to us as "Bobcat Nation" and begin referring to us as "The Bobcat Commonwealth".



Is Coach Cal in that Top 5? 
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Posted: 8/9/2012 3:47 PM
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One of my lawyerly pet peeves is the commonwealth/state thing. It is REALLY annoying when someone in Kentucky tells you that you need to revise a deed because the notary block says "State of Kentucky" instead of "Commonwealth of Kentucky." Probably in my top 5 for annoying things about Kentucky.

Also, I think I may stop referring to us as "Bobcat Nation" and begin referring to us as "The Bobcat Commonwealth".



Is Coach Cal in that Top 5? 


In no particular order:
- State vs. Commonwealth hang up
- Kentucky drivers DO NOT use turn signals (and then talk trash about Ohio drivers being bad)
- Kentucky roads do not make sense
- UK basketball (so, yes, Coach Cal makes the Top 5)
- The Cincinnati airport is in Kentucky
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Posted: 8/10/2012 4:54 PM
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OK, I just reread your posts and I see that "**** College" is suppose to refer to "State College" and not PSU.


Try on State Penn, it is far less insulting to the victims.


People have been calling them that for years. Old and weak.

Ped State? 
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Posted: 8/10/2012 8:29 PM
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Good Lord. You're inventing facts to substantiate your vitriol.



Feds are investigating Second Mile. We'll see who's making things up.

It would be almost unbelievable if not a single other person in State College knew about this. 
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Posted: 8/11/2012 2:11 PM
BurninateTheMAC wrote:expand_more

Good Lord. You're inventing facts to substantiate your vitriol.



Feds are investigating Second Mile. We'll see who's making things up.

It would be almost unbelievable if not a single other person in State College knew about this. 


I think we believe you that it's very likely more will be uncovered. But when you say that means that everyone is involved, there's a problem. That's wrong.
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Posted: 8/14/2012 3:07 PM
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Posted: 8/14/2012 3:39 PM
 I don't know if he still runs the Nebraska option.  If he does, we'll be okay.

Two posts after Tettleton's stats were posted.

I reckon an option offense with a 3,300- yard passer would be mighty tough to stop...
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Posted: 8/14/2012 3:56 PM
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Pretty accurate and respectful posts.  The team that makes the best half time adjustments will win this game.
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Posted: 8/14/2012 8:33 PM
Considering that Ohio has no film of Penn State's offense or defense, they will be making adjustments on the fly, and should have already made many adjustments well before halftime.
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Posted: 8/15/2012 12:45 AM
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I had no idea we lost the sole of the defense. We might lose a step as a result.
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Posted: 8/15/2012 8:28 AM
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I had no idea we lost the sole of the defense. We might lose a step as a result.


  Or our linebackers might keep their wideouts from fileting the short zone.
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Posted: 8/15/2012 4:37 PM
The grammatical skills of that message board is... um... questionable at best.
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Posted: 8/15/2012 5:28 PM
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The grammatical skills of that message board [are]... um... questionable at best.

They are no better or worse than most other sports boards; it is this one that is different. Oh, and I took the liberty of editing your post.

Here are more threads for your reading pleasure/amusement:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=9230033
http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=15698467...
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Posted: 8/15/2012 8:05 PM
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Good Lord. You're inventing facts to substantiate your vitriol.



Feds are investigating Second Mile. We'll see who's making things up.

It would be almost unbelievable if not a single other person in State College knew about this. 


I think we believe you that it's very likely more will be uncovered. But when you say that means that everyone is involved, there's a problem. That's wrong.


I didn't say everyone knew. But definitely some people knew and no one ever did anything to stop it. And by municipal I didn't mean city government, but rather just a gag on the town. They either didn't want to hurt the football program or they couldn't believe what they heard because they'd always been told the football program was better and more honorable than any other. Either way, there were almost certainly people that didn't report what they knew to the authorities.

And there are still many PSU fans that are in denial, want to fight the NCAA, hell want to leave the NCAA, feel wronged and like the NCAA screwed them and have it out for their own president and board of trustees...it would be a great study for some psych researcher. 

I suspected when this broke that there was a lot more to this. I think if and when someone starts looking under rocks, they'll find out that a lot more people knew or should have known if they had bothered to care than one has been led to believe so far. You can't hide something like this in a small town for more than a decade. Someone will talk and then word spreads like wildfire. Except here...somehow no one had any idea for decades...yeah, bullshit.
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Posted: 8/15/2012 11:11 PM
BurninateTheMAC wrote:expand_more

Good Lord. You're inventing facts to substantiate your vitriol.



Feds are investigating Second Mile. We'll see who's making things up.

It would be almost unbelievable if not a single other person in State College knew about this. 


I think we believe you that it's very likely more will be uncovered. But when you say that means that everyone is involved, there's a problem. That's wrong.


I didn't say everyone knew. But definitely some people knew and no one ever did anything to stop it. And by municipal I didn't mean city government, but rather just a gag on the town. They either didn't want to hurt the football program or they couldn't believe what they heard because they'd always been told the football program was better and more honorable than any other. Either way, there were almost certainly people that didn't report what they knew to the authorities.

And there are still many PSU fans that are in denial, want to fight the NCAA, hell want to leave the NCAA, feel wronged and like the NCAA screwed them and have it out for their own president and board of trustees...it would be a great study for some psych researcher. 

I suspected when this broke that there was a lot more to this. I think if and when someone starts looking under rocks, they'll find out that a lot more people knew or should have known if they had bothered to care than one has been led to believe so far. You can't hide something like this in a small town for more than a decade. Someone will talk and then word spreads like wildfire. Except here...somehow no one had any idea for decades...yeah, bullshit.


According to this "reliable source", the unredacted Freeh report reveals that every last Penn State student, alumni, fan, and resident of State College knew the full scoop. There were even university classes and books and disclaimers on the subject, and on maintaining the cover-up.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/additional-findings-show-every-penn-state-student,28842/ 

Watch the MSM go and cover-up this in-depth story! 
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