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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:27 AM
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I can back this up, on game days I've walk around Court Street and the only red I've seen is an OSU jersey, an Indiana sweatshirt, and countless Cincinnati Reds hats. (I'm perfectly ok with the last one btw ) 
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Posted: 9/18/2012 1:10 AM
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This is a good point, and hopefully with the upswing of athletics, we can pull some of those outlying Columbus residents away from State.


Without coming out and saying it's impossible, I will say this... I lived in Chillicothe. I have friends in Zanesville. I have friends from Lancaster. All three of those towns have OU branches that pump desperately needed money, education options and well-paid workers into those places. You'd think there'd be some Bobcat fans there. Short of an outlier or a grad from the Athens campus, you'd be wrong. Like the rest of the state, they are entranced by the cult of the poisonous nut. Hell, look at our own uptown in Athens on a given Saturday, and you're likely to see enough scarlet to make you wonder if there's an FBS school in town. We have a long way to go, but I do think we're getting there. Keep winning.

As a current Chillicothe/Lancaster/Pickerington campus attendee (I rack up milage) I can attest to this.  Out of the fans who even care about college athletics, 90% are Buckeye fans.  The rest are usually Michigan fans.  I've even seen LSU and Kentucky fans.  There are kids wearing Ohio gear, but it's stuff from the bookstore.  I can count on one hand the number of people I've seen at games in Athens from those campuses; a couple are people that I've converted (with varying levels of success) and another who commutes to Athens on occasion.

There are few, if any, attempts in these towns to try to loosen Ohio State's grip... and we even have campuses in the towns.  I will admit that I think the mindset is changing a little, but it's barely enough to make more than a ripple on the surface.

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The other names in the article are BYU, which would be good but not sure they would go, Umass, UNLV and Nova. Are those programs steps ahead of OUrs?

Salt Lake, Boston, Vegas, Philly, Athens. One of these is not like the other.

Seriously, this entire thread and every other one discussing us moving up to a larger conference is the sole reason out economy is still in the tank. I've got to believe that the countless hours spent debating this pipe dream of a topic easily is taking away a full percent from our nations GDP . . .


and right on schedule here comes the scarlet and grey realist to let folks know when we be gettin too uppity for our own good and to remind us to go sit in the back of the bus where we's belong.

the Big East aint the Big 10. and as important as TV markets are ours is not a non-starter. What the BE needs more than anything is competitive programs with the potential to grow. Right now, that's us.




*and to your point about the economy- the economy is not bad because people "like us" are looking for ways to better our situation, it's because people like you that think the disadvantaged aren't worthy of getting their shot at earning their piece of the pie, but I have no interest in discussing politics.
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I agree with perimeterpost, the BE needs teams that are "hot" or at least appear to be.  If we go 13-0 and crack a BCS bowl (I know, BIG IF), couple that with a Sweet-16 appearence in BB and hopefully another good run this year and we start to have that look.  Secondly, in BB we are already prepared with facilities (think Convo) and in football we are building a $12.5 million I.P.F.  The next logical step would be to upgrade Peden to hold 35K seated with Victory Hill as is gving us the ability to potentially host 40K in a game.  All of this shows commitment to anyone looking and starts to make us attractive.
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Remember when UNLV was a national power in basketball? The rest of that conference was dog meat and that didn't stop them from winning on the national stage. We are just fine where we are for many reasons, but money and market size are the biggest.


^ this

There are sooooo many question marks surrounding the Big East right now that you don't know what you are buying.  I played in a celebrity golf tournament here in the DC area yesterday and one of the guys in my group was on the board at Marquette.  He said the Catholic schools are going to break off and form their own conference and in his words is a "done deal."    Who knows what will happen at that point.  But the basketball benefit is seriously undercut with Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, et al gone.

That and without a seriously big financial upgrade on our part, I don't see them asking.
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In the interest of science, I took the liberty of doing a full-blown mathematical simulation of the outcome of a move by the Bobcats to the BigEast.

What this means is: I moved us in NCAA Football 2012 to the BigEast.

The outcome?

WE WON THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!!

No kidding.

Actually, the "win the national championship" animations and trophies are underwhelming.

But there you go.

SCIENTIFIC PROOF!


-john
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Let's talk about media market size for a second, though.

Do you think Ohio State's media market is Columbus?

I hope you'll use that high powered Ohio education and realize that the media market for the BuckNuts is the entire state, as well as any place the grey hairs go to winter, so Florida, Arizona, etc...

If you buy that argument, and you should, then you'll also realize that OU's media market is not Athens.

It's anyplace there is a signifcant percentage of Alumni.

This would include Columbus, Cleveland, and Cincinnati.   If the Bobcats were in the Big East, and were on broadcast television on a Saturday afternoon, how many people in the state would tune in?

I expect the only problem is on the occasions when we were playing at the same time as the Buckeyes; clearly we would lose in that head-to-head comparison. 

But if it we were playing at a different time, I think we'd pull good ratings statewide.

-john
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Posted: 9/18/2012 11:04 AM
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and right on schedule here comes the scarlet and grey realist to let folks know when we be gettin too uppity for our own good and to remind us to go sit in the back of the bus where we's belong.

How many regular season titles have we won in the last 10 years (football and basketball)?

Yet with that answer, now all of the sudden, we're ready to 'move up' to a conference that may completely fall apart?

The MAC is a perfect place for us at this time, and for the forseeable future.  I love the passion, but emotion does not drive logical thought.

I enjoy being able to drive to less than 2 1/2 hours to away games.  Ask Marshall how their 'step up' is working out.  The best solution is to cut the fat in the MAC.  EMU is the most glaring.  Really, if you replaced them with Marshall (not saying this would happen), our conference wouldn't be that bad.  And really, I don't think it's that bad anyway.  We've had a respectful showing.
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I understand that concept, especially with UL and UC supposedly out the door to the B12, and who knows if UConn and RU are trying to get in the ACC but, you have to give yourself a chance to move up the ladder, even with those 4 schools gone it's still a solid league. Not the Big East we dreamed of but still. The only concern I would see is the Big East signed a tv deal with NBC and not ESPN right? As of right now here is how I see it.... WAC=CUSA<Sun Belt < MAC< Big East. Besides an "upgrade" in a rival with UC intrigues me....
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:30 PM
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The other names in the article are BYU, which would be good but not sure they would go, Umass, UNLV and Nova. Are those programs steps ahead of OUrs?

Salt Lake, Boston, Vegas, Philly, Athens. One of these is not like the other.

Seriously, this entire thread and every other one discussing us moving up to a larger conference is the sole reason out economy is still in the tank. I've got to believe that the countless hours spent debating this pipe dream of a topic easily is taking away a full percent from our nations GDP . . .



Oooh Oooh, I know. Three of them are great drinking towns! Salt Lake is the outlier.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:31 PM
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I understand that concept, especially with UL and UC supposedly out the door to the B12, and who knows if UConn and RU are trying to get in the ACC but, you have to give yourself a chance to move up the ladder, even with those 4 schools gone it's still a solid league. Not the Big East we dreamed of but still. The only concern I would see is the Big East signed a tv deal with NBC and not ESPN right? As of right now here is how I see it.... WAC=CUSA<Sun Belt < MAC< Big East. Besides an "upgrade" in a rival with UC intrigues me....


I like the idea of an in-state rivalry with UC a lot. Especially with a lot of Alumni in Cinci, that could draw a large crowd from Athens AND from Cinci no matter where the game is played.

Also maybe I'm a bit biased because I would be able to drive to Memphis or Louisville with ease to see the Bobcats if they were in the Big East...driving to away games for me now is a bit of a hassle. Hah.
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I am against this, Alden may have been brilliant in his idea of us being in a conference with BC and others. I see the Big East collapsing. We missed our window, if we would have been hot when Cincy and Louisville joined we might be in the ACC right now, but now time is not the Big East's friend.
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I am against this, Alden may have been brilliant in his idea of us being in a conference with BC and others. I see the Big East collapsing. We missed our window, if we would have been hot when Cincy and Louisville joined we might be in the ACC right now, but now time is not the Big East's friend.


Sorry but the ACC was and is never going to come calling.  The only reason the Big East is even being talked about is because they are dying and talking heads are in full speculation mode.
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I say no to the BE - or any other "bigger and better" conference.  Why not be the trend setters by staying in a true regional conference?  Attract more football coaches like Frank and basketball coaches like JC who appear to want to build something other than their resume.  Sure the MAC has its problems - but there is also upside...local rivalries - lower travel costs...CUSA and BE are struggling - perhaps if we stay put the rewards will follow?
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What does it take for the MAC to earn AQ status? Is the conference lobbying for that? Anyone?
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I'm leaning toward Ozcat's argument here.  Before we move on to "greener pastures" we need to be able to take care of business in the MAC first.  We have not done this in 44 years.  Once we start to dominate the MAC, then we can look big time.  Speaking of the MAC...

I like the MAC as a conference.  Like or hate the midweek games, there's no denying we get decent national exposure for such a "lowly" conference.  Add in BCS opponents, MAC championships and bowl games and we have somewhere between 4-6 ESPN appearances a year.  We may have people complaining about the schedule, but we get a lot of bang for our buck here.  Not to mention the geographical conveniance the MAC provides.

Probably the biggest thing is what is to become of the Big East?  If they lose their AQ berth, they would be losing a huge bargaining tool.

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What does it take for the MAC to earn AQ status? Is the conference lobbying for that? Anyone?


As we move forward, I think "THE PLAN" is to have some nonsensical 4 team playoff.

I still don't quite understand exactly how they arrive at the "4", but the BCS concept will be gone.

The bowls will just have conference affiliations like they have now.

-john


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A writer for the Bobcat Sports Showcase wrote an opinion piece about Ohio moving to the Big East before the season started. Ohio's football program was compared to the Cincinnati Bearcats in the article. Check it out, what do you think? #SUAC

http://woub.org/2012/09/18/whats-holding-bobcats-back-ohio-deserves-more-respect
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What does it take for the MAC to earn AQ status? Is the conference lobbying for that? Anyone?


As we move forward, I think "THE PLAN" is to have some nonsensical 4 team playoff.

I still don't quite understand exactly how they arrive at the "4", but the BCS concept will be gone.

The bowls will just have conference affiliations like they have now.

-john




I believe that going forward, that AQ status has been eliminated, and the participants in the new 4-team playoff will be selected by a committee (whose makeup and the selection criteria to be used have not been yet fully determined).  The playoff games will rotate among the traditional major bowls.  The bowls not in the rotation for the playoffs in any given year will continue to have their contracted conference affiliations.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8099187/ncaa-presidents-approve-four-team-college-football-playoff-beginning-2014
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We showed Marshall.


The biggest estimates were around a 1000 people. 80 miles away against your arch rival. That's not going to impress anyone.
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I'm agreeing somewhat with Ozcat and Logan Elm. We absolutely need to stay cemented in the MAC. If the MAC could be reduced in size by cutting out some of the perenial losers then  it's national status would improve but I do not favor that either. It wasn't so long ago that we were at the bottom of the heap and where would we be now if we were cut loose at that time? This jumping conferences is all about the money and the grass is not always greener.Jump to another conference then have that conference fall apart like CUSA  and the Big East. We are where we need to be; in a safe and stable conference. Sure we are having a good run right now so lets enjoy it because we do not know how long it will last. And one last thing that I have said many times on this forum; because we are miles from a commercial airport (or until another mode of transportation developes like teletransportation)  we will never be competitive for the big time recruits.
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Jeff Johnson wrote:expand_more
What does it take for the MAC to earn AQ status? Is the conference lobbying for that? Anyone?


As we move forward, I think "THE PLAN" is to have some nonsensical 4 team playoff.

I still don't quite understand exactly how they arrive at the "4", but the BCS concept will be gone.

The bowls will just have conference affiliations like they have now.

-john


I believe that going forward, that AQ status has been eliminated, and the participants in the new 4-team playoff will be selected by a committee (whose makeup and the selection criteria to be used have not been yet fully determined).  The playoff games will rotate among the traditional major bowls.  The bowls not in the rotation for the playoffs in any given year will continue to have their contracted conference affiliations.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8099187/ncaa-presidents-approve-four-team-college-football-playoff-beginning-2014


I liked the article, even though the author doesn't quite understand EVERYTHING that is involved in changing conferences, he brings up some valid points.

We have been in the MAC since 1946...OUr sports program is likely to remain stagnant if we don't take the opportunity to improve. We'll follow the MAC suit of having a decade or so of really strong athletics, followed by a long wait, during which we deal with awful sports...I just see a move into a stronger conference as a good stepping stone to continue the athletic program.

I especially liked this, and think some people here should pay attention to it: "While joining the Big East seems daunting, it needs to be done. Ohio will never have a large fan base while it’s in the MAC. The MAC has treated the Bobcats well, but it’s time to move on. Ohio can become a relevant sports school, there’s no reason it can’t."

[EDIT]: In other news, this is my 100th post on BA! Hooray!
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One benefit for going to the BE is that last year they paid at least $5 million per team in the league in revenue sharing.  Compare that to what we get in the MAC, which is a joke.  Secondly, the MAC is not a "safe" conference to be in if we ever hope to advance athletics.   Outside of the WAC which is gone after this year, the MAC minus maybe a couple of teams is at best a bottom feeder and at worst a poor excuse for an FCS/D-IAA conference.  However, for all of you who like to think small, why don't we just drop to D-III and ask to be admitted to the OAC.  Then we will have really short travel distances and our athletic budget will go through the floor.  Hey, Marietta and Muskingum could become our new rivals.
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We showed Marshall.


The biggest estimates were around a 1000 people. 80 miles away against your arch rival. That's not going to impress anyone.

But Marshall fans were impressed.

I would estimate higher than 1000.  Also, I was in St. Louis for the Sweet 16.  Carolina blue outnumbered us and Kansas blue really outnumbered us but everyone was impressed with OHIO's fan base.  We had a HUGE section, and on top of that we all stood the entire game.  It really helped when the Jayhawks fans started cheering for us.  NC State was pulling for us all along. 
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