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Posted: 9/17/2012 4:29 PM

State College population: 43,000  Penn State undergrad enrollment: 39,000

Athens population: 23,000   Ohio undergrad enrollment: 22,000

You can't compare us to them. They are the Ohio State of Pennsylvania.

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Posted: 9/17/2012 4:51 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more

State College population: 43,000  Penn State undergrad enrollment: 39,000

Athens population: 23,000   Ohio undergrad enrollment: 22,000

You can't compare us to them. They are the Ohio State of Pennsylvania.



Do the same numbers with Va Tech.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 5:39 PM
Blacksburg, VA population 42,600. 

Undergraduate 23,600, Graduate 4,600. 

Keep in mind though that Blacksburg is 40 miles from Roanoke, population 96,000 and that there are another 9,000 students 15 miles away at Radford, pretty much all of whom are in Blacksburg every football Saturday. 
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Posted: 9/17/2012 5:49 PM
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I'm sorry, but ECU, Southern Miss, and I'd even venture to say Marshall are all higher on the waiting list to the BE than Ohio.


You do have to put into perspective the other sports. Basketball would give us a leg up on a few of those schools you listed.


I think the BE could care less about BBall right now.

They added Houston, Boise State, SMU, and Navy... you have to have GREAT basketball for them to care (Memphis and Temple)

I will say Ohio is getting up there with basketball, but it has a flavor of the week type of feel.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 5:52 PM
Exactly... Ohio University is not just the Athens media market.  OHIO has a huge draw in Cleveland.... and Columbus... and even Cincinnati... as well as Dayton, Akron, Canton, Toledo, etc... heck even Pittsburgh, Wheeling, Parkersburg, Huntington, etc...

Whichever BCS conference realizes the potential of the OHIO market... has the smartest commissioner.


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Posted: 9/17/2012 5:58 PM
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Exactly... Ohio University is not just the Athens media market.  OHIO has a huge draw in Cleveland.... and Columbus... and even Cincinnati... as well as Dayton, Akron, Canton, Toledo, etc... heck even Pittsburgh, Wheeling, Parkersburg, Huntington, etc...



There are a lot of us Ohio alumni in the Greater Cleveland area, but I'm not sure that factors into matters as far this conversation goes.  I don't see any of us Cleveland alumni driving every weekend down Routes 71/ 33 or 77/50 to Athens for every home game.  We show up by the tons for Homecoming games but that's probably about it.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 6:03 PM
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There are a lot of us Ohio alumni in the Greater Cleveland area, but I'm not sure that factors into matters as far this conversation goes.  I don't see any of us Cleveland alumni driving every weekend down Routes 71/ 33 or 77/50 to Athens for every home game.  We show up by the tons for Homecoming games but that's probably about it.


But would you if we were playing say Louisville, Cinci, South Florida, Boise State... in Athens???
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Posted: 9/17/2012 6:10 PM
BobcatCrew wrote:expand_more
There are a lot of us Ohio alumni in the Greater Cleveland area, but I'm not sure that factors into matters as far this conversation goes.  I don't see any of us Cleveland alumni driving every weekend down Routes 71/ 33 or 77/50 to Athens for every home game.  We show up by the tons for Homecoming games but that's probably about it.


But would you if we were playing say Louisville, Cinci, South Florida, Boise State... in Athens???

Yep... This is the potential game changer.  It would be a lot easier to convince me if their were more Athens hotels.  Game time would be a huge factor when making same day 3 hours one way trips..  I'd definitely be more likely to consider it though if we were playing any of the above mentioned teams.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 7:07 PM
I may be way off base here, but during the Solich era, I don't think that Ohio has still proven to the powers that be in any other conference or perhaps more importantly any TV people that Ohio travels well.  Frankly the number of Ohio fans at New Orleans and Boise was terrible, and I don't think it should be that small regardless of who we were playing, when we were playing or where we were playing in a bowl game. It's not like we have such a great bowl history that they all aren't important to the program. I thought the Ohio delegation was OK at NW a few years ago and was OK at PennState, but fans at away games I've been to at Wyoming, Missouri, and NM St were pretty small.  I don't have enough experience to go by for many away MAC games, so you guys can fill in those numbers.

I'm not saying that we can't do a lot better if we keep on winning, but to date we haven't shown anybody anything to change any minds.  I'm afraid the fanbase is treating away support of the team as fairly unimportant.  

My question is this-do we have the fan base who can become hardcore fans who will take the days off and spend the money to follow Ohio football?  Maybe if we keep winning-they will come.  I will never forget a few years back when I saw a Washington State fan at the Denver airport and I asked him where he was going. He said he was flying to Oklahome to see the Cougers play Oklahoma State.  I thought what  a serious fan he was considering WSU was one of the worst programs in the country(they got beat by a ton, I don't remember by how many).. I wish we had more fans like him. 
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Posted: 9/17/2012 7:27 PM
We showed Marshall.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 7:38 PM
Until we at least win ONE MAC championship, I will view our step up as dubious as Temple's, who never beat a MAC team with a winning record...not to mention the money needed/Peden upgrades.

Wish, yeah...hope, nah.  Like it or not, the exposure of MAC football for the money spent is pretty damn good.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 7:39 PM
There was a time when the Big East was too good and Ohio was too bad to ever consider the possibility. Those days are long gone. Look at who the new BE teams are- Boise St., SDSU, UCF, Memphis, SMU, Navy, Houston, Temple. If those were our 8 conference games this year how many do you think we could win? Couple that with this year's OOC and you're realistically looking at an 8 to 10 win season.  Right now. Today.

If not us, who? With respects to our Marshall friend the only time I hear ECU, USM ad Marshall mentioned is when another CUSA fan brings it up. I agree they each have their merits, just saying I don't hear them brought up. The other names in the article are BYU, which would be good but not sure they would go, Umass, UNLV and Nova. Are those programs steps ahead of OUrs? hardly.

The MAC is stable. Yeah, most homely girls are. We're a founding member, if the BE blows up you don't think they'd take us back? child please.

Attendance concerns because of the size of  Peden and Athens- We can add on or rebuild. Here's attendance for onew additions in 2011- BSU(34,018), SDSU(39,865), UCF(34,283), Memphis(20,078), SMU(20,894), Navy(34,611), Houston(31,731), Temple(28,060). On another thread I guesstimated our top end to be in the 28K-32K range, that's good enough for this group and not an unimaginable stretch from where we are today.

BBall- our bball team and facilities is legit and we are set up for long term success. It makes us a more attractive pick up.

What's our loooong term aspirational goal for conference affiliation? If you could dream big what would it be? B1G? ACC? As the landscape is today I would say those are the 2 top choices. I realize we may never reach that level but I can guarantee we won't get there straight from the MAC. 

CUSA is no longer the logical next step because all of the CUSA teams joined the Big East. If we get a chance, we should go too and don't look back.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 7:55 PM
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CUSA is no longer the logical next step because all of the CUSA teams joined the Big East. If we get a chance, we should go too and don't look back.


I agree. If the BE wants us, why wouldn't we go? Yes it's a bit shaky right now, but with the new additions and the returning roster of the conference in 2013-2014, there's no way they won't renew their television contract. It would be foolish to not make the jump. Sure, our travel costs would go up, but so would attendance (both in FB and BB), I'm sure ticket prices will go up, for more revenue. Not to mention we are building a $12million athletic facility...how many other MAC schools have facilities like that? Do some renovations on Peden and I'd say we could easily compete in the newly reformed Big East week in and week out (in both FB and BB).
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Posted: 9/17/2012 7:57 PM
Rumor has it with the Notre Dame expansion the ACC is looking for a 16th member for FOOTBALL ONLY. Other than our academics not living up to the Duke/Wake/UNC/Va. Techs, would you move for only football? MOST of the ACC football stadiums are smaller and have smaller followings than the teams in the BE.

I think it would be a great move personally...
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Posted: 9/17/2012 8:22 PM
BE would take some thought, I'd dive head first into the ACC.  I just don't see that happening. 
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Posted: 9/17/2012 8:45 PM
We should just hold out for the SEC.  


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Posted: 9/17/2012 9:11 PM
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We should just hold out for the SEC.  



We can replace Kentucky.  They are too focused on basketball.  
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Posted: 9/17/2012 9:18 PM
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We should just hold out for the SEC.  

We can replace Kentucky.  They are too focused on basketball.  


......bahahahaha
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Posted: 9/17/2012 9:27 PM
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Blacksburg, VA population 42,600.

Undergraduate 23,600, Graduate 4,600.

Keep in mind though that Blacksburg is 40 miles from Roanoke, population 96,000 and that there are another 9,000 students 15 miles away at Radford, pretty much all of whom are in Blacksburg every football Saturday.
And Ohio is 75 miles from the Columbus metro and it's population of 2 million. The southeastern suburbs of Columbus even closer.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 9:59 PM
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Blacksburg, VA population 42,600.

Undergraduate 23,600, Graduate 4,600.

Keep in mind though that Blacksburg is 40 miles from Roanoke, population 96,000 and that there are another 9,000 students 15 miles away at Radford, pretty much all of whom are in Blacksburg every football Saturday.


And Ohio is 75 miles from the Columbus metro and it's population of 2 million. The southeastern suburbs of Columbus even closer.


This is a good point, and hopefully with the upswing of athletics, we can pull some of those outlying Columbus residents away from State.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 10:04 PM
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And Ohio is 75 miles from the Columbus metro and it's population of 2 million. The southeastern suburbs of Columbus even closer.


I could be mistaken, but I think there might be a university in Columbus with a team that captures the attention of a few residents there.

All joking aside, even for average alumni who love our school, it will take many years of winning many games before you erase the memory several dark decades of awful football against woeful competition (that usually beat us). The O$U gorilla, which is shamefully attractive to many of our own alumni and oddly powerful even here in Cleveland, is another problem. Let's keep winning games and actually win the damn MAC before pining for a basket case of a conference well before realignment madness is over.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 10:14 PM
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This is a good point, and hopefully with the upswing of athletics, we can pull some of those outlying Columbus residents away from State.


Without coming out and saying it's impossible, I will say this... I lived in Chillicothe. I have friends in Zanesville. I have friends from Lancaster. All three of those towns have OU branches that pump desperately needed money, education options and well-paid workers into those places. You'd think there'd be some Bobcat fans there. Short of an outlier or a grad from the Athens campus, you'd be wrong. Like the rest of the state, they are entranced by the cult of the poisonous nut. Hell, look at our own uptown in Athens on a given Saturday, and you're likely to see enough scarlet to make you wonder if there's an FBS school in town. We have a long way to go, but I do think we're getting there. Keep winning.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 10:16 PM
It's a quaint or pleasant little story that JC left Kent/MAC for the step up and more dough then gives it all up (except all the $$) to come to Athens because Ohio is on a roll, his wife is an alum, he wants to raise his kids here, he loved the Convo, et al.  However, maybe he was told by the administration that he should come to Ohio because Ohio itself will be leaving the MAC and stepping up--perhaps basketball is the ticket out and football will hang on the coattail. Sounds good in theory doesn't it?

What about Ohio's lack of fielding other teams for sports in these bigger conferences, do you have to have swimming, diving, track and others to be considered a potential member?


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Posted: 9/17/2012 11:44 PM
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The other names in the article are BYU, which would be good but not sure they would go, Umass, UNLV and Nova. Are those programs steps ahead of OUrs?

Salt Lake, Boston, Vegas, Philly, Athens. One of these is not like the other.

Seriously, this entire thread and every other one discussing us moving up to a larger conference is the sole reason out economy is still in the tank. I've got to believe that the countless hours spent debating this pipe dream of a topic easily is taking away a full percent from our nations GDP . . .
Last Edited: 9/18/2012 10:53:13 AM by Ozcat
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Posted: 9/17/2012 11:54 PM
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This is a good point, and hopefully with the upswing of athletics, we can pull some of those outlying Columbus residents away from State.

Hell, look at our own uptown in Athens on a given Saturday, and you're likely to see enough scarlet to make you wonder if there's an FBS school in town. We have a long way to go, but I do think we're getting there. Keep winning.

But that is the thing, I've been in Athens the last month...  There isn't ANY scarlet.  We aren't that far away, in fact we are in the neighborhood.  The culture is completely different from 4 years ago, let alone 10 years ago.  I knew we just needed to win, but I didn't realize just how little winning does the trick.  Now that we are in the neighborhood, it is a matter of continuing to win so we stay here.

I hope bobcatattackers are able to visit Athens this year because that is likely the only way you will believe all the stories about the green.  
Last Edited: 9/17/2012 11:59:09 PM by The Optimist
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