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Posted: 10/6/2012 10:54 PM
It is unreasonable to expect Peden to bring the noise when we're playing just about any MAC team, including Miami. Most people including myself just don't care about these schools with traditions of mediocrity and strange names. 

Don't get it twisted. I support Ohio University. I've seen 41 of the last 59 OHIO football games in person. I can't get up emotionally for these games. I rarely am able to. It's not my fault. I try my hardest; it's just not compelling entertainment. I'm still vocal at these games where we play these "no name" schools. But it's because I know it's the right thing to do, not because I'm overwhelmed by passion.

I think it's ridiculous to call out our fans right now. We have shown time after time that when we play nationally respected schools our fans rise to the occasion. In my time at Ohio, we had a great vocal crowd in Providence for Georgetown and Tennessee. We had the most fans in Nashville and were without a doubt the loudest. We brought the energy in St. Louis as well. I had multiple Kansas fans tell me and my friends that they've never seen a group of students have more fun at a game (referring to the OHIO section).

The wins are there, but they can't make you care about the opponent. History tells us it is impossible for the players to get up emotionally for every game (for everyone, including Boise State). The same goes for the fans.

You really have to trick yourself to care about these games. I think our fans do a pretty good job. We certainly do a better job than every other group of fans in the MAC. But give us home games against traditional powers and you won't have to ask yourself or anyone else where the energy in Peden is.
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Posted: 10/6/2012 11:00 PM
I have been in peden and seen great fan support before.  The akron game about 6 years ago in late november was so cold there was frost on the field about 3000 in the stands.  The bobcats had if I remember correctly  2 wins going into that game and played their hearts out in front of a crowd that was markedly louder than today's.   How about the last couple Temple games?  Where are those fans right now?  

If this team is missing 15 players because of injury it should be even more of a reason to chear for those still on the field.

I haven't missed a home game since 1994.  I don't need to be told this is MAC football.  We have done better in the recent past.  Why not now?
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Posted: 10/6/2012 11:07 PM
I thought the New Mexico State had a nice atmosphere. When people do get fired up Peden just does not hold noise.
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Posted: 10/6/2012 11:12 PM
It also seems to me that fans and the general attitude is vastly different for night games. Think about our best atmospheres in recent seasons:
- New Mexico State
- Marshall
- Pitt
- UCONN

What do these have in common? ALL night games. Can anyone think of a day game that rivaled these? To me, all of the day games just seem to blend together. Well, expect for the ones we lose. I remember those!
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Posted: 10/6/2012 11:14 PM
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I haven't missed a home game since 1994.  I don't need to be told this is MAC football.  We have done better in the recent past.  Why not now?


My first year as an OHIO fan was my Freshman year, 2008. Since then the ONLY games I've been to in Peden where it really felt loud was the 2nd half of 2009 NIU (the final two drives were deafening), 2009 Temple, the first half of 2011 Marshall, and 2011 Temple. All of those games have one thing in common. The perception was that we were fighting for something with someone that was good enough to take it from us. 

NIU had beaten Purdue that year, and lost to Wisconsin by 8. Word was going around that they were good. Temple, although in the MAC ,still had a lingering perception amongst the student body and fans that they were more of a big time program than us (many students didn't even know they were in the MAC I swear), plus that 2009 game was for the MAC East title. Marshall still carried and carries a perception that they're bigger from their glory days. 

Ohio football fans have a tendency to only give their full support when the opponent is perceived to be greater than or equal to us. And whether it's right or wrong, there isn't a single MAC team right now that most Ohio fans would consider in that category. (Maybe Toledo, maybe NIU, that's it)
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Posted: 10/6/2012 11:31 PM
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It is unreasonable to expect Peden to bring the noise when we're playing just about any MAC team, including Miami. Most people including myself just don't care about these schools with traditions of mediocrity and strange names. 

Don't get it twisted. I support Ohio University. I've seen 41 of the last 59 OHIO football games in person. I can't get up emotionally for these games. I rarely am able to. It's not my fault. I try my hardest; it's just not compelling entertainment. I'm still vocal at these games where we play these "no name" schools. But it's because I know it's the right thing to do, not because I'm overwhelmed by passion.


Huh? Until a few years ago we were a "no name school".  True fans are up for any, and all, games. So you weren't up for the Buffalo game? They outgained us. We played mediocre at best. Without 3 turnovers we lose. Any game that is tight and in question late into the game would have any real fan engaged and into it IMO. But that's just my experience.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 12:11 AM
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Huh? Until a few years ago we were a "no name school".  True fans are up for any, and all, games. So you weren't up for the Buffalo game? They outgained us. We played mediocre at best. Without 3 turnovers we lose. Any game that is tight and in question late into the game would have any real fan engaged and into it IMO. But that's just my experience.


Like I said, whether it's right or wrong, many Ohio fans view these MAC schools as no names, regardless of what the nation may or may not think about us. Regardless of what we have or have not accomplished.  And for many, perception is reality. 

Remember that UNC game, I was there. Carolina fans in attendance didn't care. They perceived us as a lesser opponent, and even though we were a DJ Cooper half-court shot away from victory, even though we pushed them to overtime, almost every UNC fan was sleepwalking through that game. It's the same when our fans perceive MAC teams as no names, we sleepwalk. Sometimes the team does too. But that's another story.

As for your experience, I'm here to tell you I'm about as true as they come. I've got a degree from here. I've got 1804 tattooed on my body. I represent the university in more ways than just my attendance. I've been converting students into loyalists for years. I've put a quality effort into supporting many aspects of this university in general. And I don't care at all about these MAC teams. You're going to have a hard time convincing me that I should feel dialed in about every game when I really don't care. I show up because I love my university. I show up because these players represent my school, because I represent my school, and because my school represents me. 

God bless the day that we separate ourselves from these MAC schools.

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Posted: 10/7/2012 12:15 AM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
It is unreasonable to expect Peden to bring the noise when we're playing just about any MAC team, including Miami. Most people including myself just don't care about these schools with traditions of mediocrity and strange names.

Don't get it twisted. I support Ohio University. I've seen 41 of the last 59 OHIO football games in person. I can't get up emotionally for these games. I rarely am able to. It's not my fault. I try my hardest; it's just not compelling entertainment. I'm still vocal at these games where we play these "no name" schools. But it's because I know it's the right thing to do, not because I'm overwhelmed by passion.

I think it's ridiculous to call out our fans right now. We have shown time after time that when we play nationally respected schools our fans rise to the occasion. In my time at Ohio, we had a great vocal crowd in Providence for Georgetown and Tennessee. We had the most fans in Nashville and were without a doubt the loudest. We brought the energy in St. Louis as well. I had multiple Kansas fans tell me and my friends that they've never seen a group of students have more fun at a game (referring to the OHIO section).

The wins are there, but they can't make you care about the opponent. History tells us it is impossible for the players to get up emotionally for every game (for everyone, including Boise State). The same goes for the fans.

You really have to trick yourself to care about these games. I think our fans do a pretty good job. We certainly do a better job than every other group of fans in the MAC. But give us home games against traditional powers and you won't have to ask yourself or anyone else where the energy in Peden is.
Wrong. You build a program by winning and great fan support. The team is undefeated and positioned perfectly for a magical year. If our fan base is too stupid to figure out this early in the season that Ohio has a chance to be undefeated and ranked in the top 15 by the end of the year, then shame on them.

Ball St was in the exact same position a couple years ago then crapped down their leg in the MAC Championship game. Up until that game, they were undefeated and ranked around 15. In the current BCS situation, OU could be that team this year and sneak in. The Cats already won their toughest games on the schedule. I'm not loud for 60 minutes because of the opponent. I'm loud because my team is out there.

After the game a few of the players stopped by our post game tailgate party. We asked them if the crowd makes a difference and each one of them said it absolutely does. It is called home field advantage for a reason. If people are going to sit down and be quiet the entire game because it's "just another MAC school", they might as well just stay home.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 12:37 AM
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Wrong. You build a program by winning and great fan support. The team is undefeated and positioned perfectly for a magical year. If our fan base is too stupid to figure out this early in the season that Ohio has a chance to be undefeated and ranked in the top 15 by the end of the year, then shame on them.

Ball St was in the exact same position a couple years ago then crapped down their leg in the MAC Championship game. Up until that game, they were undefeated and ranked around 15. In the current BCS situation, OU could be that team this year and sneak in. The Cats already won their toughest games on the schedule. I'm not loud for 60 minutes because of the opponent. I'm loud because my team is out there.

After the game a few of the players stopped by our post game tailgate party. We asked them if the crowd makes a difference and each one of them said it absolutely does. It is called home field advantage for a reason. If people are going to sit down and be quiet the entire game because it's "just another MAC school", they might as well just stay home.


Our fan base isn't stupid. It's human. We're responding how most universities would respond in this exact situation. What, do you think they put something in the water at these historically loud stadiums? Are they genetically engineered? Have you ever been to big school play a little school? The fans go through the motions on their traditional chants, then those chants fade early in the second quarter (we haven't even had enough big games to create traditional chants). Do you think Clemson got the name "Death Valley" from playing home games against Ball State. Ha! Philosophically right or wrong, all MAC schools are little schools. Even to OHIO.

I was just in Georgia last weekend taking in the #6 Georgia-Tennessee game. Apathy is at the highest level too. Even though it was a huge conference game, their students were so casual. One of the girls I know there didn't even go to the game. The vibe was we'll get to the game when we get to the game, doesn't matter if we're late. Is that true support for the team? People didn't finish trickling in until midway through the 2nd quarter. That was a 3:30 pm game. They did however turn up the volume in the second half, but they were only truly loud when it was a 7 point game against an SEC rival!

I had a similar experience with Penn State students taking their time to come to the game for a noon kickoff. And you better believe they didn't give the lowly Ohio team their loudest game. Zombie nation was non-existent, and pales in comparison to the energy they bring for big conference games.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 12:50 AM
Situation and 695 are right; you root for O H I O.

Also, the specifics of the game must be considered.  This was a game in which we were losing or threatened for most of the game and our defense needed the fan support.

Behaving like OHIO UNIVERSITY is not special...not inclined to root vigorOUsly for O H I O FOOTBALL?  Then turn in your degree and/or affinity for OHIO and go root for such as redhawk or 'kron.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 1:45 AM
I would agree 100% that night games are just more fun!
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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:16 AM
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I thought the New Mexico State had a nice atmosphere. When people do get fired up Peden just does not hold noise.


Exactamundo. the NMSU crowd was one of the best ever at Peden. Maybe people just got excited because they are from the WAC or just were still jacked after beating Penn State.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 9:26 AM
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Posted: 10/7/2012 9:29 AM
BTW, I'm bringing a truckload of drunks for Akron. I'ma be s***house drunk and loud. They are too. So if some dopey guys in front of you won't stop standing and cheering for 2nd and 9s, it might be me. Just saying, if I'm in the way, probably would just be easier to stand.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 9:32 AM
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I thought the New Mexico State had a nice atmosphere. When people do get fired up Peden just does not hold noise.



This is interesting. I can hear Peden from N court. We could erect something to block the sound. Like a big flat board in the south endzone. Maybe they could attach some kind of noisemaker to it.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 10:49 AM
I have to agree with the Situation on this one, and well stated, Situation!

It is absolutely amazing to me how far we've come!  We're winning and still drawing over 20K per game yet for some that's still not good enough.  Enjoy the ride for heaven's sake, because it will not last forever, nothing does.

News flash for you-Ohio never has been nor will it ever will be a major football school along the likes of a BCS school, like you see at the major SEC games.  So Ohio fans don't go absolutely bonkers with every play.  So every now and again it's quiet.  OK-so what?  Ohio fans have proven over the last couple of years that they come out to go crazy when it really matters.

Official attendance yesterday was 20,044.  To me that's outstanding. In my day, '81 thru '85, Peden didn't even hold 20K.  And this is the God's-honest-truth: the only reasons, and I mean only reasons to go to a football game were to see the Marching 110 perform (they have always been fantastic) and to drink Mad Dog from a wineskin!  Good times!!

I don't mean to rail on those complaining about student school spirit because you guys are better than me, you go to the games to strongly root on Ohio and are disappointed when every one else doesn't have the same passion you do.  God bless you!  But please remember where we've come from, even 20,000 quiet fans in my day was unheard of.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 11:27 AM

Mark, backing up the calendar a couple decades before you were going to Peden to see the band, I had a Saturday afternoon date ... No, let me re-phrase that: My EYES had a date with the band's drum majorette whose name was, as I recall, Joy. And she was all of that to look at -- a pure joy. But alas, the band was soon gone from the green grid ... and so was I: off to the greener pastures of W. Union and Court ... not a land of milk and honey, to be sure, or I wouldn't have made a regular pilgrimage there before the official's shrill whistle signaled the beginning of the third quarter. Rather, it was a land of 3.2 Blatz and Black Label, where we got our game face on early for a Saturday night of ... why, I can't remember Saturday night! :)

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Posted: 10/7/2012 11:51 AM
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Mark, backing up the calendar a couple decades before you were going to Peden to see the band, I had a Saturday afternoon date ... No, let me re-phrase that: My EYES had a date with the band's drum majorette whose name was, as I recall, Joy. And she was all of that to look at -- a pure joy. But alas, the band was soon gone from the green grid ... and so was I: off to the greener pastures of W. Union and Court ... not a land of milk and honey, to be sure, or I wouldn't have made a regular pilgrimage there before the official's shrill whistle signaled the beginning of the third quarter. Rather, it was a land of 3.2 Blatz and Black Label, where we got our game face on early for a Saturday night of ... why, I can't remember Saturday night! :)



Ah, those were good times, weren't they!!  I wish I were a student again.......
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Posted: 10/7/2012 5:51 PM
I showed this thread to a couple of my friends who went to Marshall. They laughed at the comments and asked if our fans are only willing to get up for two games a year (Marshall and our BCS conference game that year). We play in the MAC. I refuse to believe we are only capable of being "excited" for our opponents one time every other year at home. We might as well make Peden Stadium as intimidating as possible. I'm thrilled we have 20K showing up every game, but 90% of the crowd acts like they've never been to a game before. The Convo is a tough place to win because of our fans. Peden should be the same. It's the same exact crowd.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 6:29 PM
I am in section 115, and it is the family section, the booing and language was almost blush worthy in the 1st quarter, needless to say, we were getting noisy.  
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I think it's great that we are drawing 20k + every game but to say we lack enthusiasm is a complete understatement.  I sit in section 105 and I have to admit that I have been to funerals that have been louder.  I am talking about key defensive situations ie 4th down plays.  It even felt like fans near me were annoyed if someone stood up and tried to get involved.  It is not a good thing we I can here people coughing 10 rows in front of me during a play.   This team is 6-0 and to watch the crowd they could really care less.  The stadium was much louder with half as many fans in the past.  Hopefully things will turn around and we can give the players a true home field advantage for the last three games.  They deserve better.  


The reason that I and my wife sit on the student side.  The last time I used reserved seats in 105 was against marshull when we kicked their #$@**  last year - 2011.  I will say that I was able to get a  "Let's go CATS" chant going after the nerds started their marshull chants.   I embarrass my wife when we sit in 105 because I will be the only oned standing and yelling and pumping my fist..
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Posted: 10/8/2012 6:23 AM
I can assure you that you are not the only one standing in 105.  I have had my shirt yanked more times than I care to remember.  One time I went off a little and reminded the 'yanker' what the name of our fight song is.  BTW, I know the words to that song as well as to our alma mater.  I sing in the key of flat, but I sing.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 9:57 AM
This thread is why I never sit on the tower side.  We have been sitting in the family section since they started it, and we yell, stand, and do use bad language from time to time (have had to say I'm sorry to a few folks). If the crowd is light, like saturday we move over behind the students. To whoever said the students were not into the game saturday needs to have their eyes checked, most of the Ozone never sat down for the whole game. 

I will say the one bright area of the tower side is the phillips club, I moved over there for the second half, and the few times I think a few buffaboos wanted to climb the wall to get at some folks heckling them.   
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Posted: 10/8/2012 10:09 AM
Yeah the student section Saturday was better than my entire freshman year in 08.  The first two games against NMSU and Norfolk it was the flat out loud.  The best that I recall except for Temple (blackout) and Marshall last year.
The 12:00 start really killed it.

I guarantee we see a record crowd for homecoming.  #1 in Peden history.  Only thing that could stop that from happening is rain.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 10:31 AM
I sit in 105 also.  It seems really quiet this year.  Only a few of us up and yelling.  Even when the players are asking for the crowd to get up and noisy, only a few do.  I would love to see us get louder on third downs.
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