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Posted: 10/23/2012 2:21 PM
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UB should have been a 38-24 final had we not given up the last TD with 8 seconds to go and the roughing the passer penalty that gave them. 



Easily the most ridiculous call I've ever seen out of a MAC staff and that's saying something...
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Posted: 10/23/2012 2:22 PM
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I think it is way better to be cautiously optimistic with our success. 

But let's just remember the following:
Akron was 34-14 until the 4th quarter when some of our 3rd stringers were in because our 2nd stringers were filling in for the 1st stringers. 

UB should have been a 38-24 final had we not given up the last TD with 8 seconds to go and the roughing the passer penalty that gave them. 

I still think UMass is much better than their record, and it will take time for them to get their feet. We should have blown them out, no doubt, but a W is a W. 

Would those scores have given us more credit with the haters that keep saying we are not a top 25 team?


Yes, those scores absolutely would have... not just because the score is a greater spread but because of what it represents.  A good, but struggling team often finds itself in a dogfight against lesser competition. ...happens all the time, not just to Ohio.  A few things don't go their way, you give up some early scores, whatever.  But come quarter number 4, had we been able to shut the door, you're left feeling much better about what transpired.  Whether it's prevent defense or the offense not picking up a key first down, we've not been able to put bad teams away.  We completely failed to even field Akron's onside kick last week.  Luckily it went OB or we might have been SOL.

Look, going 7-0 is hard.  If it were easy, everyone would be 7-0. On that basis, our body of work warrants a spot in the top 25.  This is awesome.  However, is Ohio playing like a top 25 team, or even a top 45 team the last 3 weeks?  The answer is No.  not even close.  We've given up 34, 31 & 28 to three of the worst teams in the nation.

That said, Frank Solich's teams tend to play closer games than the other top teams in the MAC.  Toledo and NIU always seem to put up gaudy numbers and we just survive (or lose one or two that we shouldn't). Partially because we simply don't have their offensive firepower, partly because we run more than those teams. Last year Temple was putting up huge scores until they hit some decent competition. I still feel like the best is yet to come with this team and I hope that's the case.  As mentioned, Frank's teams have generally finished strong after mid-season lulls.  We are going to need to be very tough to survive the rest of this slate.
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Posted: 10/23/2012 2:34 PM
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When's the last time our offense was really humming?  Aren't we due for a 45-point 90-play performance?  It's about time.  Run these guys over at full speed for 60 minutes.


When it was healthy and as a result, untethered (against NMSU  291 passing - 293 rushing).  We are healthy on O again so yes...We are due...
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Posted: 10/23/2012 2:38 PM
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I think it interesting that people keep comparing us to NIU and Toledo and criticizing our close calls when NIU beat Army 41-40 after they gave up a 21-7 lead and trailed in the third and fourth quarter and they did beat Kansas, but at this point I am pretty sure EMU could beat Kansas. 

Toledo did have a great win or Cincy but barely held on to beat EMU. 

I guess it goes with the top 25 ranking to be judged and critiqued, and if that is part of the deal, then I am okay with it because it is pretty sweet to have that little number next to our name. 
Last Edited: 10/23/2012 4:45:37 PM by drinkmoxie
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Posted: 10/23/2012 7:53 PM
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I think one reason why Solich doesn't have many blowouts is that he tends to throttle back early.  T2 admitted that the play calling vs. Akron in the 4th Q was too conservative.  I don't know if Solich doesn't want to run up the score or if he's concerned about game-changing turnovers or what.  But sometimes (like in last year's MACC) he seems to want to nurse the lead instead of build on it.
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Posted: 10/23/2012 8:43 PM
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I think one reason why Solich doesn't have many blowouts is that he tends to throttle back early.  T2 admitted that the play calling vs. Akron in the 4th Q was too conservative.  I don't know if Solich doesn't want to run up the score or if he's concerned about game-changing turnovers or what.  But sometimes (like in last year's MACC) he seems to want to nurse the lead instead of build on it.


Fan of T2. That being said, I wish he had not shared an opinion.  Winning is what Ohio has been doing more of than any school in the MAC since 2006, 53 conf wins.  Albin/Gdowski have given him the reins of a championship team and stuck by him when others might have played Vick more thru Tyler's injury.  Tyler is a player, I am not intereted in him second guessing his coaches, who are the best in the MAC. Ohio's is a balanced offense so strong up front that I disagree that when they go to the run there is any throttle back involved.
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Posted: 10/23/2012 11:13 PM
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drinkmoxie wrote:expand_more
I think it interesting that people keep comparing us to NIU and Toledo and criticizing our close calls ....

It's all going to be settled on the field, anyway. After the MACC, there will be only one left.

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...Fan of T2. That being said, I wish he had not shared an opinion...

I agree. This is a topic that is best discussed in private, between him and the coaches. I'm sure he didn't intend to stir up public debate.
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Posted: 10/24/2012 12:23 AM
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I think it interesting that people keep comparing us to NIU and Toledo and criticizing our close calls when NIU beat Army 41-40 after they gave up a 21-7 lead and trailed in the third and fourth quarter and they did beat Kansas, but at this point I am pretty sure EMU could beat Kansas. 

Toledo did have a great win or Cincy but barely held on to beat EMU. 

I guess it goes with the top 25 ranking to be judged and critiqued, and if that is part of the deal, then I am okay with it because it is pretty sweet to have that little number next to our name. 


+1  I hate to say it but some of us are sounding like a bunch of spoiled A&M fans who can't understand how lowly Purdue and Indiana almost beat their vastly superior Poison Nuts.  Win and advance!  1-0 again in Oxford.  

My fearless prediction: OHIO 45  Redchickens 12.   I think with the week off and this being the big rivalry you're going to see a Penn State-like focus.  (Please ignore my preseason prediction this week only. )

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Posted: 10/24/2012 10:23 AM
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OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I think it interesting that people keep comparing us to NIU and Toledo and criticizing our close calls when NIU beat Army 41-40 after they gave up a 21-7 lead and trailed in the third and fourth quarter and they did beat Kansas, but at this point I am pretty sure EMU could beat Kansas. 

Toledo did have a great win or Cincy but barely held on to beat EMU. 

I guess it goes with the top 25 ranking to be judged and critiqued, and if that is part of the deal, then I am okay with it because it is pretty sweet to have that little number next to our name. 


+1  I hate to say it but some of us are sounding like a bunch of spoiled A&M fans who can't understand how lowly Purdue and Indiana almost beat their vastly superior Poison Nuts.  Win and advance!  1-0 again in Oxford.  

My fearless prediction: OHIO 45  Redchickens 12.   I think with the week off and this being the big rivalry you're going to see a Penn State-like focus.  (Please ignore my preseason prediction this week only. )



Sweet, my first +1, well at least I think it is...I am not 100% sure, but I'll take it and run with it. 
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Posted: 10/24/2012 3:10 PM
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I was slightly nervous about the effect the banged-up secondary may have going against Miami passing. Then I saw these stats from game notes: Ohio's Record under Solich with 100 yard rusher - 36 W and  4 L. Rushing yards given up by Miami this year - 243 yards/game. 

We may have two 100 yard rushers this game. 
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Posted: 10/24/2012 7:04 PM
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A W is a W, no matter how it comes.  It beats an L.  Style points only matter if you're looking to jump up in the polls.  The main goal this season is to win the MACC.  Everything else is secondary.  If a BCS bid comes, great.  But the world won't end if it doesn't.  Yes, the team needs to improve...what team doesn't.  But as far as the MAC standings go, a win by 1 is the same as a win by 30.  BEAT FIAMI!!!
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A W is a W, no matter how it comes.  It beats an L.  Style points only matter if you're looking to jump up in the polls.  The main goal this season is to win the MACC.  Everything else is secondary.  If a BCS bid comes, great.  But the world won't end if it doesn't.  Yes, the team needs to improve...what team doesn't.  But as far as the MAC standings go, a win by 1 is the same as a win by 30.  BEAT FIAMI!!!


Tru-dat!
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Posted: 10/25/2012 8:20 AM
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Injury update for Miami in newspaper:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121024/SPT0103/31024...

Both Westbrook and Scott listed as probable. May help there running game.
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Posted: 10/25/2012 9:27 AM
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I hate to be a wet blanket but this game has me worried.  The foreskins would like nothing more than to spoil our season and looking at how the Huskies and Falcons manhandled "Kron and UMASS I'm beginning to have my doubts about this team.

Can somebody please talk me down off the ledge?


Hey, Z, The Voice of Pessimistic Reason here. I'm out on the ledge with you as I consider a 3-4 team with these losses on its resume -- Ohio State, Boise State, Cincinnati and Bowling Green -- and I ponder what OUr record would look like vs. that foursome.
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I hate to be a wet blanket but this game has me worried.  The foreskins would like nothing more than to spoil our season and looking at how the Huskies and Falcons manhandled "Kron and UMASS I'm beginning to have my doubts about this team.

Can somebody please talk me down off the ledge?


Hey, Z, The Voice of Pessimistic Reason here. I'm out on the ledge with you as I consider a 3-4 team with these losses on its resume -- Ohio State, Boise State, Cincinnati and Bowling Green -- and I ponder what OUr record would look like vs. that foursome.


http://www.miamihawktalk.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=5...

Even some Miami fans say 5-2.  I could see us going that or maybe better (if we played lights out)
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LoganElm_grad09 wrote:expand_more
I hate to be a wet blanket but this game has me worried.  The foreskins would like nothing more than to spoil our season and looking at how the Huskies and Falcons manhandled "Kron and UMASS I'm beginning to have my doubts about this team.

Can somebody please talk me down off the ledge?


Hey, Z, The Voice of Pessimistic Reason here. I'm out on the ledge with you as I consider a 3-4 team with these losses on its resume -- Ohio State, Boise State, Cincinnati and Bowling Green -- and I ponder what OUr record would look like vs. that foursome.


http://www.miamihawktalk.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=5...

Even some Miami fans say 5-2.  I could see us going that or maybe better (if we played lights out)


Given the way A&M played their non conf schedule this year (and the fact that they were the first game) I honestly see no reason Ohio couldn't have gone 6-1.  The only reason I give Boise the win is their bye week before the Miami game.   
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Posted: 10/25/2012 7:44 PM
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Watching Clemson-Wake on ESPN and at the bottom of the screen is "NCAA T25  24 Ohio vs. Miami OH."  Waaay cool.
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From the Gold Sheet

Ohio 35 - MIAMI-OHIO 19—It’s too difficult to make a case for Miami side that’s covered just once this season, gives up more than 500 ypg & 36 ppg, and has lost last 6 vs. Ohio, going 1-5 vs. the points.  Only three teams have more takeaways than aggressive Bobcat “D,” and RB Blankenship is a huge edge for Ohio.
(11-OHIO 21-Miami-O. 14...M.28-21 O.43/232 M.28/61 M.35/53/0/372 O.18/26/1/203 O.0(11-OHIO -8' 21-14 10-Ohio -3 34-13 09-OHIO -14 28-7...SR: Miami-Ohio 52-34-2)
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I look for them to come out slinging to test our secondary.  Either deep if Dysert gets some help from his O line or lots of quick outs and bubble screens if he doesn't or if we're playing off their WRs.  I'd like to see us blitz the hell out of them, because their line isn't very solid.
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I look for them to come out slinging to test our secondary.  Either deep if Dysert gets some help from his O line or lots of quick outs and bubble screens if he doesn't or if we're playing off their WRs.  I'd like to see us blitz the hell out of them, because their line isn't very solid.


I'd like to see us blitz the hell out of somebody before the secondary gets torched.  We have to find a way to make opposing QB's uncomfortable in the pocket.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 12:50 PM
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I look for them to come out slinging to test our secondary.  Either deep if Dysert gets some help from his O line or lots of quick outs and bubble screens if he doesn't or if we're playing off their WRs.  I'd like to see us blitz the hell out of them, because their line isn't very solid.


I'd like to see us blitz the hell out of somebody before the secondary gets torched.  We have to find a way to make opposing QB's uncomfortable in the pocket.


I agree.  I'd rather see us play man and take a few chances, and pull out all the stops to make sure Dysert lands on his back 10 times tomorrow.  We can't rush 4 and stop their passing game.
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I look for them to come out slinging to test our secondary.  Either deep if Dysert gets some help from his O line or lots of quick outs and bubble screens if he doesn't or if we're playing off their WRs.  I'd like to see us blitz the hell out of them, because their line isn't very solid.


I'd like to see us blitz the hell out of somebody before the secondary gets torched.  We have to find a way to make opposing QB's uncomfortable in the pocket.


I agree.  I'd rather see us play man and take a few chances, and pull out all the stops to make sure Dysert lands on his back 10 times tomorrow.  We can't rush 4 and stop their passing game.


I agree.  Hit him early and often. 
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I agree.  I'd rather see us play man and take a few chances, and pull out all the stops to make sure Dysert lands on his back 10 times tomorrow.  We can't rush 4 and stop their passing game.


Their defensive line begs to differ.
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If we win the toss, do we go on offense first to establish our offense--the running game, a long dirve, clock burn.  Try to put pressure back on their offense.    Or do we defer so we have first chance at 2nd half points?



Win this one.  Doesn't matter by how many or how impressively.  Just defend the eyepatch.
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