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Posted: 11/8/2012 9:35 AM
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At the level this program has climbed to, there are some issues that I cannot understand why they still exist on a regular basis. 

1. Special Teams:  An absolute train wreck.  The punter/long snapper combination is the worst I have ever seen in Peden Stadium.  It was not just last night.  It's been like that all year.  I was willing to give Grant a pass because he is a Freshman, but 10 games into the season, the punt team should not be getting worse.  I hate the formation, the blocking schemes, the inconsistency of the snaps and the time it takes him to catch, then get rid of the ball.  I am shocked every single time a punt escapes a block.

2.  Play calling:  The team clearly has the ability to run a good offensive series.  They have had a lot of strong drives, that are immediately followed up with conservative, predictible plays.  If I can call out the plays before they happen, then they surely aren't going to fool the other team.  They act like a 7-0 1st Quarter lead is enough to win the game.  Until the play calling is more aggressive with the intention of blowing teams out, they will continue to play from behind.  I've never understood the switch to bubble screens and predictible runs as the game goes on.  In the 4th Quarter last night, Tyler was obviously furious at the play calling from the sideline.  He motioned with his hands to throw the ball downfield instead of the 2 yard pass plays they kept sending in.  Maybe it was because Foster was hurt, but Cochran has the speed to still get behind the defense downfield.  If the team is not going to throw the ball downfield, there is no reason for the defense to play that.  It eventually kills the running game, too.

3.  Tackling:  The defense seems to make the first hit early, yet not be able to wrap up the guy and bring him to the ground.  I have not seen the stat, but yards-after-contact has to be sky high.  I'm not sure if it's fundamentals or strength, but it is frustrating to see a lot of 2 yd losses turned into 5 yd gains.  I know there are a ton of injuries on the defensive side of the ball, but tackling should be a basic skill set at the D1 level.  I understand if a less experienced player is out of position because they aren't used to the scheme, but once they are at the point of attack, they should be able to finish the tackle.


I wonder where the swagger went.  The players and coaches have lost it.  We could be watching a team that started 7-0 finish 8-4 if these issues aren't fixed.  I think the effort and desire to win are there, but the execution is not.  I've never been a bandwagon fan, but I can understand a lot of those that are getting off right now.  I was told that Kent State cut us off on the free tickets to the game on the 23rd because our fans had grabbed so many.  I wonder how many of those tickets go unused now.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 9:43 AM
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695-total agreement.  We seem to have made the game very predictable on offense and defense.  Just way to passive worrying about giving something big up that we never defensive pressure on the opponents.  Offensively, we just don't get the ball down the field anymore.  Bubble screens and flat passes are driving me crzay yet that's the large majority of what we are running.

Again, I just wonder if with the injuries we've had we just don't have the kind of rotations/confidence that we had early in the year?
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It all starts in the trenches. Through recruiting, we've been building up our offensive and defensive lines for years. And as a result, we're getting pre-season notice from Phil Steele and others. But the product on the field is not getting it done.
  • OL Breakdown: Tettleton certainly deserves some criticism, but he's running for his life on nearly every play.
  • OL Breakdown: Venham deserves some criticism, but he's got four or five guys in his face almost immediately after the snap.
  • OL Breakdown: Tettleton sacked four times (is that the right stat?)
  • OL Breakdown: Boykin and Blankenship met in the backfield how many times?

On the other side.

  • DL Breakdown: Gashed for 5-6 yard carries, repetitively.
  • DL Breakdown: Virtually no pressure on BG QB.
  • DL Breakdown: Literally carried into the end zone (Granted that was LBs and DBs after virtually no contact from the DL)


I am a firm believer in the value of linemen. We have been working on those positions for years. Last night's performance defies that fact. BG and Miami beat our butts in the trenches. More often than not, you lose the trenches, you lose the war

 

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Posted: 11/8/2012 10:07 AM
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Let's add to all this no rush on their punter.  Here's a guy who can knock it 80 yards easily and we're just letting him kick?  He winds up averaging 50 yds a kick with four inside the 20.  What good is our return team when we let him get away with that.  I'd rather rush nine and have nobody back.  At least we'd maybe rattle him a bit.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 10:17 AM
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One thing about special teams is that I think Frank and the boys simply got out-coached.  BG looked at some film and noticed a few things.

- the line doesnt block for long.  One punch, then they are going down field
- the "wall" doesnt have thier $hit together and doesnt know which direction to block
- the punter is too close the snapper (needs to drop back a yard)
- the punter takes too long to kick
- the long snapper is more worried about blocking than snapping the ball

They looked at the tapes, and it proved to be the game changer.  Not to mention, I think that roughing the punter was a good move on BG's part (whether it was intentional or not).  They already blocked one, okay let's get in his head even more and rough him up - not try and hurt him, but knock him on his tail.  I think it was a good move.

I still thought that OU had a good chance to win because OU's first offenseive series of each half was spectacular (probably because Blankenship was on the field) and I thought they had a real good chance.  But then, TT starts running around like a drunken sailor and has no protection from his line - you are correct however, some his fault, some the OL fault. 

Here's my biggest fear - worst case scenario is that the Bobcats lose the next two and end up at 8-4.  There is a reality that OU will miss a bowl game....  Wouldn't that be an absolute shame?!?!?!?

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BobFox is absolutely on point.  We have no pass rush.  And on top of that, we rarely blitz a 5th guy to create extra pressure.  I remember one play specifically last night where we did bring heat, and it resulted in a terrible pass.

And the O-line was even worse.  Most of our success running the ball last night was when we ran outside to get to the edge.  BG was shutting it down up the middle.  And Tyler has no chance in the pocket ever.

The silver lining to all this is I'm upset that we're looking at 9-3 or 8-4 with a bowl appearance.  This thought was not even in my head ever before Frank came to town, so I'll actually enjoy being upset at our play, instead of the apathy I had in the early 2000s.

Beat Ball.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 10:38 AM
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There is a reality that OU will miss a bowl game....  Wouldn't that be an absolute shame?!?!?!?


I don't mean to sound snarky, but no. I don't think it would be a shame for this team to miss a bowl opportunity. These last few games we have not earned the right to be in a bowl game, and I absolutely do not want to see us in a bowl game only to get embarrassed like we did last night.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 10:44 AM
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There is a reality that OU will miss a bowl game....  Wouldn't that be an absolute shame?!?!?!?


I don't mean to sound snarky, but no. I don't think it would be a shame for this team to miss a bowl opportunity. These last few games we have not earned the right to be in a bowl game, and I absolutely do not want to see us in a bowl game only to get embarrassed like we did last night.


I see your point.  Kind of like, hey you didnt measure up - suffer the consequences.  Totally get that.

But from a fan persepective, it's always nice to see your team on a national stage, and get to keep playing after November.  Plus, that way you get to have more practice whereas teams like OSU and PSU, are done after the last game.  No more contact until spring ball.  So I look at it from that perspective too.
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1. No defending the punting. It was an embarrassing debacle to say the least. The depths of the debacle was what was most surprising. We have skirted these type punting issues all year. Troubling they haven't been corrected by the 10th game, which leads me to believe maybe with the personnel at hand they simply aren't correctable. I'm talking the whole bunch there coaching, schemes, snapper and punter. Who hasn't held their collective breaths ANYTIME we go back to punt this year.

2. Aside from the punting, I thought it actually was a pretty even football game, just as the bookies predicted, as the spot was -1.5 at kick-off.

3. Many posters have gone off on the defense. I'm not one of them. I thought they actually held up pretty well last night. Yea, Samuels ran for a ton of yards, but again taking away the field position our punting woes contributed to, BG had only ONE true legit scoring drive and even it came on a fake that  had BG Homer Bentley faked out of his jock. Yea, Samuel carried half the team into the endzone on those short-runs, but who amongst us hasn't trumpted the effort when we have seen either Beau or Boykin do so this year as well. I think we called it great individual effort. Giving credit where credit is due, Samuel had a few of those last night.

4. The two offensive drives that we scored on were beauties and textbook. Beau was a workhorse and ran with a purpose. I know we have gone to the 2 back rotation, but when it was obvious that for whatever reason Beau was the hot-hand, why he didn't get more of the carries is baffling. I thought early in the year we were going to kill him from overuse, but that certainly wasn't the case last nite.

5. Moral of the story, the BG punting game put us in lousy field position all night. Our punting game essentially handed BG 19 points. With BG's top-rated MAC defense it simply was too much to overcome.

6. I also don't buy into the lack of "effort" BS either. Take away the punting gifts to BG and that could have easily been an OHIO 14-7 win and the masses would be hurmphing about what a "great" effort we gave.

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BobcatSports wrote:expand_more

3. Many posters have gone off on the defense. I'm not one of them. I thought they actually held up pretty well last night. Yea, Samuels ran for a ton of yards, but again taking away the field position our punting woes contributed to, BG had only ONE true legit scoring drive and even it came on a fake that  had BG Homer Bentley faked out of his jock. Yea, Samuel carried half the team into the endzone on those short-runs, but who amongst us hasn't trumpted the effort when we have seen either Beau or Boykin do so this year as well. I think we called it great individual effort. Giving credit where credit is due, Samuel had a few of those last night.



This game, from the defense's perspective, really reminded me of the game against toledo in 2010, 2nd game of the season. In my recollection (I just looked it up, so really what follows is accurate) the defense gave up a total of 20 points on 3 scoring drives. A medicore performance. Until you look at the drive charts. Toledo had 14 drives in that game, including FOUR that started inside of our 30 yard line. Toledo scored on drives of 84 yards (you can blame the D for that one), 5 yards, and 2 yards, which means they were also held scoreless on 2 drives that started inside our 30 yard line (one from the 26, one from the 15).

If the offense (by way of turnovers, as was the case in 2010) or the special teams (by way of whatever that thing we were trying to do on 4th down last night is called) is letting the other team have the ball inside of field goal range OVER AND OVER again, then I don't think you can blame the defense. They only gave up 288 yards. The problem is that the offense only produced 244 yards (just going off of the box score).

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The Bowling Green scores off the punting misfortunes:

- TD "drive" of 28 yds.

- FG which the "drive" started from the 35 yd line

-TD  "drive" of 29 yds.

-And the safety

Real tough for me to pin this one on the defense and to call them out for a "lack" of effort.

We also knew going into this that we were probably not going to run up and down the field on the BG defense like we were at a track meet.

The BG defense, coupled with their punting game keeping us deep in our own territory, and our own punting woes were the keys to the BG win.

I don't think "lack of effort" was a problem last nite. Lack of execution to punt the ball, yes.
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First BG TD was on a fourth-and 5, four guys getting carried into the end zone.

BG FG drive included allowing a third-and-7 running play from the 32 to go for 9. Not sure if they'd try a 49-yarder.

Two third down conversions allowed on the final score.

They've got to tackle better and get off the field.
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There is a reality that OU will miss a bowl game....  Wouldn't that be an absolute shame?!?!?!?


I don't mean to sound snarky, but no. I don't think it would be a shame for this team to miss a bowl opportunity. These last few games we have not earned the right to be in a bowl game, and I absolutely do not want to see us in a bowl game only to get embarrassed like we did last night.


Step off from that ledge my friend.  Shame on you. To talk as if this team has been here before many times.  We should not go to a bowl, because we are better than what?  Yes, a MAC Championship is what we really really need.  However, winning two consecutive bowl games is something we've never done before and needs to keep happening for us to get to the next level.  Shame on you.  We don't deserve it????  This is our winningest group of seniors in the program's history.  And you are saying to take away their bowl game, because you feel embarrassed by losing to a good Bowling Green team.

You sound like an OSUck fan.  Be better than that.
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5. Moral of the story, the BG punting game put us in lousy field position all night. Our punting game essentially handed BG 19 points. With BG's top-rated MAC defense it simply was too much to overcome.

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This doesn't help matters at all but does put things in a little more perspective.  Southern Miss, the team that spanked us in the GMAC Bowl almost 6 years ago, a team we looked up to at the time as embodying where we needed to take our program to be in order to be a consistent mid-major power and a team that was on the cusp of breaking into a BCS bowl last year by beating a ranked Houston in the CUSA championship, is a resounding 0-9 this year!  So it could be worse.....
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There is a reality that OU will miss a bowl game....  Wouldn't that be an absolute shame?!?!?!?


I don't mean to sound snarky, but no. I don't think it would be a shame for this team to miss a bowl opportunity. These last few games we have not earned the right to be in a bowl game, and I absolutely do not want to see us in a bowl game only to get embarrassed like we did last night.


Step off from that ledge my friend.  Shame on you. To talk as if this team has been here before many times.  We should not go to a bowl, because we are better than what?  Yes, a MAC Championship is what we really really need.  However, winning two consecutive bowl games is something we've never done before and needs to keep happening for us to get to the next level.  Shame on you.  We don't deserve it????  This is our winningest group of seniors in the program's history.  And you are saying to take away their bowl game, because you feel embarrassed by losing to a good Bowling Green team.

You sound like an OSUck fan.  Be better than that.


You're way off. I'm not on any kind of ledge. I'm simply stating that, as of now, this time doesn't deserve a bowl game. That aren't playing to that level. They don't get bowl consideration just because they're a winning group of seniors. They have to earn it, continuously. Right now, today, they don't deserve it. And don't misunderstand. I didn't say I was embarrassed. I'm saying the team embarrassed themselves last night, and my guess is, every single player on that team would agree.

I've been behind them for a long time, and I will continue to be behind them. But I'm not going to talk bowl games when this team is not ready for that. And if we manage to stumble to an 8-4 finish and still get a bowl game, it will be anti-climatic in the least.
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There is a reality that OU will miss a bowl game....  Wouldn't that be an absolute shame?!?!?!?


I don't mean to sound snarky, but no. I don't think it would be a shame for this team to miss a bowl opportunity. These last few games we have not earned the right to be in a bowl game, and I absolutely do not want to see us in a bowl game only to get embarrassed like we did last night.


Step off from that ledge my friend.  Shame on you. To talk as if this team has been here before many times.  We should not go to a bowl, because we are better than what?  Yes, a MAC Championship is what we really really need.  However, winning two consecutive bowl games is something we've never done before and needs to keep happening for us to get to the next level.  Shame on you.  We don't deserve it????  This is our winningest group of seniors in the program's history.  And you are saying to take away their bowl game, because you feel embarrassed by losing to a good Bowling Green team.

You sound like an OSUck fan.  Be better than that.


You're way off. I'm not on any kind of ledge. I'm simply stating that, as of now, this time doesn't deserve a bowl game. That aren't playing to that level. They don't get bowl consideration just because they're a winning group of seniors. They have to earn it, continuously. Right now, today, they don't deserve it. And don't misunderstand. I didn't say I was embarrassed. I'm saying the team embarrassed themselves last night, and my guess is, every single player on that team would agree.

I've been behind them for a long time, and I will continue to be behind them. But I'm not going to talk bowl games when this team is not ready for that. And if we manage to stumble to an 8-4 finish and still get a bowl game, it will be anti-climatic in the least.


Nope.  I believe the team is disappointed in how things worked out.  I hope they get that it was a bad day at work, BG identified some problems and those need addressed.  They all need time to rest, study and recover from three in twelve.  Time to move on to the books, more practice and prep for the next one.  I will not cry over spilled milk, clean it up and move on.  Bowling is part of building process. They are not all big shows though if a reasonable match can be made I hope they go, enjoy, win would be nice, then start it all over again.  Again, the bowl is part of the building process.  Need to do them.
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2.  Play calling:  The team clearly has the ability to run a good offensive series.  They have had a lot of strong drives, that are immediately followed up with conservative, predictible plays.  If I can call out the plays before they happen, then they surely aren't going to fool the other team.  They act like a 7-0 1st Quarter lead is enough to win the game.  Until the play calling is more aggressive with the intention of blowing teams out, they will continue to play from behind.  I've never understood the switch to bubble screens and predictible runs as the game goes on.  In the 4th Quarter last night, Tyler was obviously furious at the play calling from the sideline.  He motioned with his hands to throw the ball downfield instead of the 2 yard pass plays they kept sending in.  Maybe it was because Foster was hurt, but Cochran has the speed to still get behind the defense downfield.  If the team is not going to throw the ball downfield, there is no reason for the defense to play that.  It eventually kills the running game, too.


I had the same thoughts.  And, in previous games as well.  But much more so last night.

Also, I thought we wanted to play much, much faster.  We did on the opening drive.  And then not so much.
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At the beginning of the season all the talk was about the hurry up offense that we learned from Troy, yada, yada. We did well against Penn State with the hurry up by wearing down their defense. The first series of last nights game I said to my friends "the hurry up is really throwing BG off balance".  On the next offensive series we abandoned the hurry up and BG's defense started to dominate. Why did we not continue what was clearly working. The ESPN announcers actually commented on how well we were able to move the ball downfield and score. I blame this one more on play calling and failure to adjust. Even after the pathetic punting blunders we continued to try the same plays that were clearly not working.

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The punting team in this game reminded me of a youth league squad. It was really hard to watch. If they just have an average day we probably win that game. BG was too good to overcome those kinds of errors.
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At the level this program has climbed to, there are some issues that I cannot understand why they still exist on a regular basis. 

1. Special Teams:  An absolute train wreck.  The punter/long snapper combination is the worst I have ever seen in Peden Stadium.  It was not just last night.  It's been like that all year.  I was willing to give Grant a pass because he is a Freshman, but 10 games into the season, the punt team should not be getting worse.  I hate the formation, the blocking schemes, the inconsistency of the snaps and the time it takes him to catch, then get rid of the ball.  I am shocked every single time a punt escapes a block.

2.  Play calling:  The team clearly has the ability to run a good offensive series.  They have had a lot of strong drives, that are immediately followed up with conservative, predictible plays.  If I can call out the plays before they happen, then they surely aren't going to fool the other team.  They act like a 7-0 1st Quarter lead is enough to win the game.  Until the play calling is more aggressive with the intention of blowing teams out, they will continue to play from behind.  I've never understood the switch to bubble screens and predictible runs as the game goes on.  In the 4th Quarter last night, Tyler was obviously furious at the play calling from the sideline.  He motioned with his hands to throw the ball downfield instead of the 2 yard pass plays they kept sending in.  Maybe it was because Foster was hurt, but Cochran has the speed to still get behind the defense downfield.  If the team is not going to throw the ball downfield, there is no reason for the defense to play that.  It eventually kills the running game, too.

3.  Tackling:  The defense seems to make the first hit early, yet not be able to wrap up the guy and bring him to the ground.  I have not seen the stat, but yards-after-contact has to be sky high.  I'm not sure if it's fundamentals or strength, but it is frustrating to see a lot of 2 yd losses turned into 5 yd gains.  I know there are a ton of injuries on the defensive side of the ball, but tackling should be a basic skill set at the D1 level.  I understand if a less experienced player is out of position because they aren't used to the scheme, but once they are at the point of attack, they should be able to finish the tackle.


I wonder where the swagger went.  The players and coaches have lost it.  We could be watching a team that started 7-0 finish 8-4 if these issues aren't fixed.  I think the effort and desire to win are there, but the execution is not.  I've never been a bandwagon fan, but I can understand a lot of those that are getting off right now.  I was told that Kent State cut us off on the free tickets to the game on the 23rd because our fans had grabbed so many.  I wonder how many of those tickets go unused now.


4. Your unnecessary walking up and down the sideline in front of the OZone jinxed the players. I hope you're happy, 695.

You may have been a perfect, goody-two-shoes, angel who always toed the line when you were a college student, but if you look deep down in your heart, you'll understand why Brufus called you out the other week, and why he was right to do so.
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At the level this program has climbed to, there are some issues that I cannot understand why they still exist on a regular basis. 

1. Special Teams:  An absolute train wreck.  The punter/long snapper combination is the worst I have ever seen in Peden Stadium.  It was not just last night.  It's been like that all year.  I was willing to give Grant a pass because he is a Freshman, but 10 games into the season, the punt team should not be getting worse.  I hate the formation, the blocking schemes, the inconsistency of the snaps and the time it takes him to catch, then get rid of the ball.  I am shocked every single time a punt escapes a block.

2.  Play calling:  The team clearly has the ability to run a good offensive series.  They have had a lot of strong drives, that are immediately followed up with conservative, predictible plays.  If I can call out the plays before they happen, then they surely aren't going to fool the other team.  They act like a 7-0 1st Quarter lead is enough to win the game.  Until the play calling is more aggressive with the intention of blowing teams out, they will continue to play from behind.  I've never understood the switch to bubble screens and predictible runs as the game goes on.  In the 4th Quarter last night, Tyler was obviously furious at the play calling from the sideline.  He motioned with his hands to throw the ball downfield instead of the 2 yard pass plays they kept sending in.  Maybe it was because Foster was hurt, but Cochran has the speed to still get behind the defense downfield.  If the team is not going to throw the ball downfield, there is no reason for the defense to play that.  It eventually kills the running game, too.

3.  Tackling:  The defense seems to make the first hit early, yet not be able to wrap up the guy and bring him to the ground.  I have not seen the stat, but yards-after-contact has to be sky high.  I'm not sure if it's fundamentals or strength, but it is frustrating to see a lot of 2 yd losses turned into 5 yd gains.  I know there are a ton of injuries on the defensive side of the ball, but tackling should be a basic skill set at the D1 level.  I understand if a less experienced player is out of position because they aren't used to the scheme, but once they are at the point of attack, they should be able to finish the tackle.


I wonder where the swagger went.  The players and coaches have lost it.  We could be watching a team that started 7-0 finish 8-4 if these issues aren't fixed.  I think the effort and desire to win are there, but the execution is not.  I've never been a bandwagon fan, but I can understand a lot of those that are getting off right now.  I was told that Kent State cut us off on the free tickets to the game on the 23rd because our fans had grabbed so many.  I wonder how many of those tickets go unused now.


4. Your unnecessary walking up and down the sideline in front of the OZone jinxed the players. I hope you're happy, 695.

You may have been a perfect, goody-two-shoes, angel who always toed the line when you were a college student, but if you look deep down in your heart, you'll understand why Brufus called you out the other week, and why he was right to do so.


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Posted: 11/8/2012 5:53 PM
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There is a reality that OU will miss a bowl game....  Wouldn't that be an absolute shame?!?!?!?


I don't mean to sound snarky, but no. I don't think it would be a shame for this team to miss a bowl opportunity. These last few games we have not earned the right to be in a bowl game, and I absolutely do not want to see us in a bowl game only to get embarrassed like we did last night.


Step off from that ledge my friend.  Shame on you. To talk as if this team has been here before many times.  We should not go to a bowl, because we are better than what?  Yes, a MAC Championship is what we really really need.  However, winning two consecutive bowl games is something we've never done before and needs to keep happening for us to get to the next level.  Shame on you.  We don't deserve it????  This is our winningest group of seniors in the program's history.  And you are saying to take away their bowl game, because you feel embarrassed by losing to a good Bowling Green team.

You sound like an OSUck fan.  Be better than that.


You're way off. I'm not on any kind of ledge. I'm simply stating that, as of now, this time doesn't deserve a bowl game. That aren't playing to that level. They don't get bowl consideration just because they're a winning group of seniors. They have to earn it, continuously. Right now, today, they don't deserve it. And don't misunderstand. I didn't say I was embarrassed. I'm saying the team embarrassed themselves last night, and my guess is, every single player on that team would agree.

I've been behind them for a long time, and I will continue to be behind them. But I'm not going to talk bowl games when this team is not ready for that. And if we manage to stumble to an 8-4 finish and still get a bowl game, it will be anti-climatic in the least.


Do you understand that ever since we started going to bowl games we've become relevant?  It's not a coincidence.  And I don't care what you think of this team right now.  They've busted their butts to get to 8-2 and have gotten us much closer to making Ohio University a household name.  It doesn't matter what our record is.  They've done enough to get to a bowl and deserve it. It brings more attention to better recruits and gives OUr university more exposure. Be happy.
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There is a reality that OU will miss a bowl game....  Wouldn't that be an absolute shame?!?!?!?


I don't mean to sound snarky, but no. I don't think it would be a shame for this team to miss a bowl opportunity. These last few games we have not earned the right to be in a bowl game, and I absolutely do not want to see us in a bowl game only to get embarrassed like we did last night.


Step off from that ledge my friend.  Shame on you. To talk as if this team has been here before many times.  We should not go to a bowl, because we are better than what?  Yes, a MAC Championship is what we really really need.  However, winning two consecutive bowl games is something we've never done before and needs to keep happening for us to get to the next level.  Shame on you.  We don't deserve it????  This is our winningest group of seniors in the program's history.  And you are saying to take away their bowl game, because you feel embarrassed by losing to a good Bowling Green team.

You sound like an OSUck fan.  Be better than that.


You're way off. I'm not on any kind of ledge. I'm simply stating that, as of now, this time doesn't deserve a bowl game. That aren't playing to that level. They don't get bowl consideration just because they're a winning group of seniors. They have to earn it, continuously. Right now, today, they don't deserve it. And don't misunderstand. I didn't say I was embarrassed. I'm saying the team embarrassed themselves last night, and my guess is, every single player on that team would agree.

I've been behind them for a long time, and I will continue to be behind them. But I'm not going to talk bowl games when this team is not ready for that. And if we manage to stumble to an 8-4 finish and still get a bowl game, it will be anti-climatic in the least.


Do you understand that ever since we started going to bowl games we've become relevant?  It's not a coincidence.  And I don't care what you think of this team right now.  They've busted their butts to get to 8-2 and have gotten us much closer to making Ohio University a household name.  It doesn't matter what our record is.  They've done enough to get to a bowl and deserve it. It brings more attention to better recruits and gives OUr university more exposure. Be happy.



Thanks Buster....I'm now jumping back onto Richland Avenue and will refrain from a nose dive into that pitiful stream that once was the natural bed of the Hocking River.


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AMEN BUSTER!  This group of seniors is most deserving of a bowl game, and all true Bobcat fans should make every effort to follow them to wherever the heck we are going and STAND UP and CHEER for our kids and coaches !!
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