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Posted: 11/19/2012 6:33 PM
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8653727/bo...

I can see Boise and SD State going back to the Mountain West.  So when UC and Louisville leave, the Big East has USF, Temple, Navy, and a bunch of old CUSA schools...Temple will be trying to get back into the MAC hahaha
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Posted: 11/19/2012 6:59 PM
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I'd take Temple back.  Full sports, and then make UMass come full sports too...
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Posted: 11/19/2012 7:12 PM
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However, one thing that Delaney is PHENOMENAL at is making money for his conference.  Delaney is playing chess while the other conferences are currently still playing checkers.  Rutgers and Maryland are pawns.



I hear what you're saying. But according to the "Death to the BCS" book, he was the only roadblock to the playoff system. A playoff system that looks like it will triple the BCS payouts. I ask this seriously. Do you think he knew that and didn't want other conferences to benefit? Or do you think he really underestimated the value of the playoff system?
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Posted: 11/19/2012 7:31 PM
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I hear what you're saying. But according to the "Death to the BCS" book, he was the only roadblock to the playoff system. A playoff system that looks like it will triple the BCS payouts. I ask this seriously. Do you think he knew that and didn't want other conferences to benefit? Or do you think he really underestimated the value of the playoff system?

It's my understanding that his hangup was the fact that he wanted the top 2 seeds to host the playoff games.  The rest of the power players (so basically the SEC) wanted nothing to do with December football in the Midwest, and he eventually caved.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 7:46 PM
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Ozcat wrote:expand_more
I hear what you're saying. But according to the "Death to the BCS" book, he was the only roadblock to the playoff system. A playoff system that looks like it will triple the BCS payouts. I ask this seriously. Do you think he knew that and didn't want other conferences to benefit? Or do you think he really underestimated the value of the playoff system?

It's my understanding that his hangup was the fact that he wanted the top 2 seeds to host the playoff games.  The rest of the power players (so basically the SEC) wanted nothing to do with December football in the Midwest, and he eventually caved.


OK, That book paints a different picture. In either case, he cost schools hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 8:18 PM
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Ozcat wrote:expand_more
I hear what you're saying. But according to the "Death to the BCS" book, he was the only roadblock to the playoff system. A playoff system that looks like it will triple the BCS payouts. I ask this seriously. Do you think he knew that and didn't want other conferences to benefit? Or do you think he really underestimated the value of the playoff system?

It's my understanding that his hangup was the fact that he wanted the top 2 seeds to host the playoff games. The rest of the power players (so basically the SEC) wanted nothing to do with December football in the Midwest, and he eventually caved.
If that's the case, that is a solid lookout by him.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 8:47 PM
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And the SEC just keeps giggling. 

I don't see how Rutgers can pay $50 million to leave the Big East.  Or Uconn if it is ever invited to the ACC for that matter.


The founder of Under Armor is a Maryland grad, and I read a report that stated he is prepared to sell stock in UA to the sum of $50MM in order to pay the exit fee.


I read other reports today (either on collegefootballtalk.com or espn) that the Under Armor guy's $65million stock sale was unrelated to this and that he had no plans of putting into the buyout fund
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Posted: 11/19/2012 9:47 PM
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Boise, SDSU are not talking with the MWC to come back.

"However, a San Diego State official told ESPN, "Nothing changes, we are committed to the Big East."


http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/nov/19/sdsu-says-its-moving-foward-big-east/

Never coming back to the MAC.. even a diluted Big East provides more revenue than the MAC.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:00 PM
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And what if the Big East folds?
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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:32 PM
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Boise, SDSU are not talking with the MWC to come back.

"However, a San Diego State official told ESPN, "Nothing changes, we are committed to the Big East."


http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/nov/19/sdsu-says-its-moving-foward-big-east/

Never coming back to the MAC.. even a diluted Big East provides more revenue than the MAC.


And how many coaches who have "the full backing" of their ADs wind up selling Lady Kenmores at Sears at the end of the season.  Once these guys see all the downsides of staying with the terminally ill Big Least, they'll start their own league if they have to.

As for never coming back to the MAC, yeah probably not.  Once the Big Least finally gives up the ghost on its failed football venture, you can always go back to being an independent.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:01 AM
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Many of you must not realize that UC and UL go (the "old" Missouri Valley) way back together.  I am sure they are in constant conversation and my guess is wherever one goes the other will.  They both have outstanding basketball and the football is really about even year in and year out so there isn't much difference in them. 
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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:49 AM
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I think the big split is coming.  there will probably be 70-80 schools in the Super Conference Division.  I believe UL and UC will end up "in the big time".  I don't see any MAC teams reaching that promised land.  We, along with CUSA, Sun Belt and WAC/MTN types can go down a division or form a new 'we almost made it" division.


Ain't gonna happen . . . for many, many reasons . . . not the least of which is anti-trust legal considerations.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:56 AM
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The MAC would be foolish not to at least try to get UC and/or Louisville.


Unless we are ready to step up financially there is no way either would consider the MAC.  They might consider pairing up with some MAC teams that are looking to move up but I can't see either looking at the MAC as it stands now.


You got it!  Also, UL and UC are kind of a package deal.  They really, really, really want to end up in the same conference.  IMHO, Ohio and Marshall should be the same.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:05 AM
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One final thought to ponder: Don't be too surprised if Ohio basketball ends up in a new conference and Ohio football stays in the MAC.  I'm not predicting this, I'm just saying it's something that's on the table for consideration. 
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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:07 AM
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And here's the TV angle.  According to Rachel Bachman at the AP, Fox -- which owns 51% of BTN -- is about to buy a minority stake in YES (the Yankees' network) and is planning to bundle its cable services.  That means if cable and satellite providers want YES, they may also have to get BTN.  Not sure if it'll fly with the FCC, but that puts the pressure on the providers.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:00 PM
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[You got it!  Also, UL and UC are kind of a package deal.  They really, really, really want to end up in the same conference.  IMHO, Ohio and Marshall should be the same.


An all sports conference with Louisville, Cincinnati, Marshall, Temple and UMass as a start would be intriguing.  Grab Memphis as well. Then fill in with any MAC team that is willing to make the financial commitment.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:10 PM
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One final thought to ponder: Don't be too surprised if Ohio basketball ends up in a new conference and Ohio football stays in the MAC.  I'm not predicting this, I'm just saying it's something that's on the table for consideration. 


I don't think that can happen. It would have to be a basketball-only conference. And because all of this turmoil is driven by football, I don't see how that would occur.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:34 PM
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One final thought to ponder: Don't be too surprised if Ohio basketball ends up in a new conference and Ohio football stays in the MAC.  I'm not predicting this, I'm just saying it's something that's on the table for consideration. 


Dude, drugs kill!!!! 

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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:37 PM
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And what if the Big East folds?


I'm confident the team in the #4 market will happily find a home.  If you think Rutgers or Maryland have a bigger hold on NY or Washington than Temple does in Philly..You're misguided.  No one in NY or WAshington care about Rutgers or Maryland.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:37 PM
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[You got it!  Also, UL and UC are kind of a package deal.  They really, really, really want to end up in the same conference.  IMHO, Ohio and Marshall should be the same.


An all sports conference with Louisville, Cincinnati, Marshall, Temple and UMass as a start would be intriguing.  Grab Memphis as well. Then fill in with any MAC team that is willing to make the financial commitment.

Ohhh, I like it.

Definitely a number of reasons what I'm about to propose might not work, but I think it would be a pretty fun conference if you could pull it together and it might have a little TV/competitive appeal.  

Atlantic
UMass
Temple
Villanova
Buffalo
ECU
Add whoever here (personally, I think Akron has a lot of potential, but I know many disagree with this)

Appalachian
Ohio
Marshall
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
UAB

I think this scenario presents some major problems with divisional alignment as I proposed it...  The Appalachiana is really stacked in football and still kinda stacked in basketball.
Obviously this scenario is not completely believable, but for Ohio it is a fun scenario to imagine for both football and basketball.
I know the Temple people will hate Villanova, and maybe they are pointless because of TV markets and yada yada yada... But I am still of the belief good rivalries help drive conferences

The reason I think this could work?  Very nice footprint.  Obviously, UC and Louisville having any interest is the big key.
Last Edited: 11/20/2012 12:43:04 PM by The Optimist
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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:44 PM
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It's too bad Ohio and Miami can't synchronize their success. If they were both clicking in hoops and football, they'd be a nice package deal to a conference.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:59 PM
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If you think Rutgers or Maryland have a bigger hold on NY or Washington than Temple does in Philly..You're misguided.


Thank you for refuting this theoretical thought of mine.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 1:00 PM
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And what if the Big East folds?


I'm confident the team in the #4 market will happily find a home.  If you think Rutgers or Maryland have a bigger hold on NY or Washington than Temple does in Philly..You're misguided.  No one in NY or WAshington care about Rutgers or Maryland.



But this isn't about how many people care.  This is about how many households will end up paying $1 per month for the Big Ten Network.  That's the only thing this is about.  Rutgers and Maryland trump Temple on that big time.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Big 10 goes after Syracuse, Uconn, and BC next.  Millions and millions of people up there that could be forking over that $1 per month.  Connecticut fans would lobby their cable providers to pay it to get out of the Big East.  And, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Nebraska know all those schools will never be a threat to beat them in football.

Louisville will not be left out.  But, I could see Cinci getting left to start a conference with Temple and Memphis and etc.
Last Edited: 11/20/2012 1:05:31 PM by Ohio69
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Posted: 11/20/2012 1:44 PM
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As much as love to hate on Temple, and as much as I will laugh at them if/when the Big East dies, I will say this.....of all the current and former* MAC schools, I would put them in the best position as far as being a part of whatever emerges, conference wise. I think they are probably part of the "in" crowd, in that they either get an invite to a "major" conference or will at least be at the center of any new conference that forms as the second tier. I don't think we get left out entirely, but I think Temple is asked to the dance before we are.

*By "former" I mean within the past 20 years, and I didn't consider UCF a MAC school even when they were actually in the conference.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 1:49 PM
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Maybe Boise and the rest will start having second thoughts.  No prestige whatsoever with the Big Least now.  They'll be moving into a conference that has only two teams of the remaining five with winning records and only one ranked team.  The MAC has a better resume than that.  The Big Tedozen is doing the smart thing bringing in multiple teams from the same region.  I'm sure Temps and UCF were, and UMass is, feeling a bit isolated from the rest of the MAC, not only from being football-only but also geographically. 


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