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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:20 AM
I wouldn't let temps back in the MAC, I'll take Nova first.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 11:22 PM
Probably a good match attendance wise..but you'll never get them to do the basketball deal Temple did.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:34 PM

I would like to point something out:  with a Kent State win and UCLA loss, Kent would go to the BCS and the Big East will be left out in the cold. 

The Big East losing its AQ standing means that it's no longer a power player, but in the same loop as the MAC.  Preach about the dollars that it may bring, but it means little in comparison to actually winning games.  For reference, look at Marshall.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:49 PM
LoganElm_grad09 wrote:expand_more

I would like to point something out:  with a Kent State win and UCLA loss, Kent would go to the BCS and the Big East will be left out in the cold. 

The Big East losing its AQ standing means that it's no longer a power player, but in the same loop as the MAC.  Preach about the dollars that it may bring, but it means little in comparison to actually winning games.  For reference, look at Marshall.



This is when the system can become very goofy. 

Kent may not have played in a bowl game since Dick Nixon (or LBJ maybe?) but they will sure make it count this year with a win.  I would like to think that if they could break through the barrier it will help us (and other MAC schools) qualify in the future.  The top 4-5 teams in our league right now would hang with and beat the middle to lower tier teams in most conferences this year and would hang with and beat the tops of the Big East, B1G Dozen etc. 

What seems every crazier is that Georgia Tech could play in a BCS game by winning the ACC but would not get to play in one at all possibly if they lose.  
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Posted: 11/26/2012 1:48 PM
LoganElm_grad09 wrote:expand_more

I would like to point something out:  with a Kent State win and UCLA loss, Kent would go to the BCS and the Big East will be left out in the cold. 

The Big East losing its AQ standing means that it's no longer a power player, but in the same loop as the MAC.  Preach about the dollars that it may bring, but it means little in comparison to actually winning games.  For reference, look at Marshall.



No, the Big East champion goes to a BCS bowl regardless their BCS ranking
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Posted: 11/26/2012 1:51 PM
Things could get interesting if the Big East does in fact dissolve.  I brought up an idea like this a little while back, but when schools like Temps and Memphis jumped to the Big East it really didn't seem like much of a possibility.  I was basically a combination of the MAC, BE, and C-USA, split into East and West divisions.  May seem a bit crazy, but might as well shoot for the stars.  My rendition goes something like this:

East:
Ohio
Temple
Marshall
UMass
Kent

West:
UC
Memphis
Toledo
BGSU
Louisville (possibly ACC bound)

Would need to add one more team in each division to get the conference championship game (Tulane, ECF, Southern Miss?)

Not that I ever see it happening, but that would be one hell of a basketball conference and have the potential to become a damn good football conference.  Something's definitely going to happen though, and UConn seems like a much more logical fit to fill Maryland's slot in the ACC.  UC, Louisville, and Memphis aren't really fits in the SEC or Big 12.  One can always dream I guess.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:13 PM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more

I would like to point something out:  with a Kent State win and UCLA loss, Kent would go to the BCS and the Big East will be left out in the cold. 

The Big East losing its AQ standing means that it's no longer a power player, but in the same loop as the MAC.  Preach about the dollars that it may bring, but it means little in comparison to actually winning games.  For reference, look at Marshall.



No, the Big East champion goes to a BCS bowl regardless their BCS ranking


If the Big East champion is ranked behind a non-AQ school who is in the top 16, said non-AQ school gets their bid.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:16 PM
OU didn't know wrote:expand_more
Things could get interesting if the Big East does in fact dissolve.  I brought up an idea like this a little while back, but when schools like Temps and Memphis jumped to the Big East it really didn't seem like much of a possibility.  I was basically a combination of the MAC, BE, and C-USA, split into East and West divisions.  May seem a bit crazy, but might as well shoot for the stars.  My rendition goes something like this:

East:
Ohio
Temple
Marshall
UMass
Kent

West:
UC
Memphis
Toledo
BGSU
Louisville (possibly ACC bound)

Would need to add one more team in each division to get the conference championship game (Tulane, ECF, Southern Miss?)

Not that I ever see it happening, but that would be one hell of a basketball conference and have the potential to become a damn good football conference.  Something's definitely going to happen though, and UConn seems like a much more logical fit to fill Maryland's slot in the ACC.  UC, Louisville, and Memphis aren't really fits in the SEC or Big 12.  One can always dream I guess.


BG belongs in no conference going forward. Substitute Buffalo for BG and Akron for Kent. Basically, you'd want schools to represent a decent size city or region (I'm including Columbus as part of Ohio's region )..  
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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:18 PM
OUcats82 wrote:expand_more

I would like to point something out:  with a Kent State win and UCLA loss, Kent would go to the BCS and the Big East will be left out in the cold. 

The Big East losing its AQ standing means that it's no longer a power player, but in the same loop as the MAC.  Preach about the dollars that it may bring, but it means little in comparison to actually winning games.  For reference, look at Marshall.



This is when the system can become very goofy. 

Kent may not have played in a bowl game since Dick Nixon (or LBJ maybe?) but they will sure make it count this year with a win.  I would like to think that if they could break through the barrier it will help us (and other MAC schools) qualify in the future.  The top 4-5 teams in our league right now would hang with and beat the middle to lower tier teams in most conferences this year and would hang with and beat the tops of the Big East, B1G Dozen etc. 


What seems every crazier is that Georgia Tech could play in a BCS game by winning the ACC but would not get to play in one at all possibly if they lose.  


It would definitely lay the path to it.  If Kent got into the BCS and won, the MAC's profile would get a terrific boost.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:19 PM
LoganElm_grad09 wrote:expand_more

I would like to point something out:  with a Kent State win and UCLA loss, Kent would go to the BCS and the Big East will be left out in the cold. 

The Big East losing its AQ standing means that it's no longer a power player, but in the same loop as the MAC.  Preach about the dollars that it may bring, but it means little in comparison to actually winning games.  For reference, look at Marshall.



No, the Big East champion goes to a BCS bowl regardless their BCS ranking


If the Big East champion is ranked behind a non-AQ school who is in the top 16, said non-AQ school gets their bid.


That's not how it works. Each winner of an AQ conference gets a BCS bid. Thus the term AQ. The non-AQ school gets one of the wildcard bids.

BCS selection process: http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819597
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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:22 PM
I thought that a non-AQ in the top 16 got in over an AQ team that was ranked behind them?  EG #16 Kent State would get in over #20 BE champ.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:23 PM

3. The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:

  A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,
  B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

No more than one such team from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in any year. (Note: a second team may be eligible for at-large eligibility as noted below.) If two or more teams from those conferences satisfy the provisions for an automatic berth, then the team with the highest finish in the final BCS Standings will receive the automatic berth, and the remaining team or teams will be considered for at-large selection if it meets the criteria.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:28 PM
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I thought that a non-AQ in the top 16 got in over an AQ team that was ranked behind them?  EG #16 Kent State would get in over #20 BE champ.


Kent St. would get a bid but so would the Big East champ. They are not mutually exclusive.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:33 PM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
I thought that a non-AQ in the top 16 got in over an AQ team that was ranked behind them?  EG #16 Kent State would get in over #20 BE champ.


Kent St. would get a bid but so would the Big East champ. They are not mutually exclusive.


So it's kinda like a team in basketball who wouldn't go to the dance without a championship getting the win over a team who had a resume that allowed them to get an at large bid.  Both get in and a team on the bubble is screwed.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:36 PM
LoganElm_grad09 wrote:expand_more
I thought that a non-AQ in the top 16 got in over an AQ team that was ranked behind them?  EG #16 Kent State would get in over #20 BE champ.


Kent St. would get a bid but so would the Big East champ. They are not mutually exclusive.


So it's kinda like a team in basketball who wouldn't go to the dance without a championship getting the win over a team who had a resume that allowed them to get an at large bid.  Both get in and a team on the bubble is screwed.


Ummm, sure. Except in this case the MAC would be the screwer and not the screwee.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:56 PM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
I thought that a non-AQ in the top 16 got in over an AQ team that was ranked behind them?  EG #16 Kent State would get in over #20 BE champ.


Kent St. would get a bid but so would the Big East champ. They are not mutually exclusive.


So it's kinda like a team in basketball who wouldn't go to the dance without a championship getting the win over a team who had a resume that allowed them to get an at large bid.  Both get in and a team on the bubble is screwed.


Ummm, sure. Except in this case the MAC would be the screwer and not the screwee.


Kinda apples and oranges, I know.

Still nice to see the MAC having a shot at being the "screwer."
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Posted: 11/26/2012 4:41 PM

Possible $28 Million dollar payout for Kent State...shared by 60 non AQ teams.. No pressure there!

That would be only $470k per team!  Step up for your share Eastern Michigan!

Sugar Bowl would take Big East Champ.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 6:57 PM
TUVideo Guy wrote:expand_more

Possible $28 Million dollar payout for Kent State...shared by 60 non AQ teams.. No pressure there!

That would be only $470k per team!  Step up for your share Eastern Michigan!



Is this accurate - it would be split among all non AQ teams?

 

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Posted: 11/26/2012 7:33 PM
Not evenly.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 7:38 PM
Right Ted, no question. BG "belongs in no conference going forward". We are just a blip on the radar. You need those big metro areas like Buffalo and Akron. No question about that- just look at their track record on the field, in attendance etc.

No need to bother with lightweight athletic programs like BG or Kent. And with such substandard academics too. And with those small 175,000 strong alumni bases. And the paltry improvements like the Stroh Center. A glorified high school gym. And that Kent baseball and golf national success? Just a lucky break.

Better to work with big easy to draw to metroplexes like Athens OH w the intntl airport and interstate junction w the high speed train. And the tremendous long term successes that are Ohio football and basketball. With the big academics. And the energized alumni base. And the big name coaches. And the campus debt load.

Ohio, Kent, Miami, Bowling Green.

Four very good institutions who do things right. There are cycles up and down in the various sports, there are different dates on gates, there are different strengths and weak points etc, some are on flat ground; some use red brick etc etc.

Ohio is a great school and I love visiting and watching my Falcons there. Wonderful place.

But to place Ohio ahead of Kent and BG in a hierarchy of college athletics?

Maybe I missed something by not reading every post carefully.

Go Falcons!
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Posted: 11/26/2012 7:58 PM
Not to worry about these trivial matters...the way the MAC world turns suggests that Kent will collapse and NIU will finish #17 BCS.   Let it be known.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 8:17 PM
There is a very good chance that NIU wins and then just misses. 
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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:43 PM
falconfan wrote:expand_more
Right Ted, no question. BG "belongs in no conference going forward". We are just a blip on the radar. You need those big metro areas like Buffalo and Akron. No question about that- just look at their track record on the field, in attendance etc.

No need to bother with lightweight athletic programs like BG or Kent. And with such substandard academics too. And with those small 175,000 strong alumni bases. And the paltry improvements like the Stroh Center. A glorified high school gym. And that Kent baseball and golf national success? Just a lucky break.

Better to work with big easy to draw to metroplexes like Athens OH w the intntl airport and interstate junction w the high speed train. And the tremendous long term successes that are Ohio football and basketball. With the big academics. And the energized alumni base. And the big name coaches. And the campus debt load.

Ohio, Kent, Miami, Bowling Green.

Four very good institutions who do things right. There are cycles up and down in the various sports, there are different dates on gates, there are different strengths and weak points etc, some are on flat ground; some use red brick etc etc.

Ohio is a great school and I love visiting and watching my Falcons there. Wonderful place.

But to place Ohio ahead of Kent and BG in a hierarchy of college athletics?

Maybe I missed something by not reading every post carefully.

Go Falcons!


How high is the glass ceiling at Bowling Green?  (Not a rhetorical question, an honest one.) 
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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:44 PM
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Right Ted, no question. BG "belongs in no conference going forward". We are just a blip on the radar. You need those big metro areas like Buffalo and Akron. No question about that- just look at their track record on the field, in attendance etc.

No need to bother with lightweight athletic programs like BG or Kent. And with such substandard academics too. And with those small 175,000 strong alumni bases. And the paltry improvements like the Stroh Center. A glorified high school gym. And that Kent baseball and golf national success? Just a lucky break.

Better to work with big easy to draw to metroplexes like Athens OH w the intntl airport and interstate junction w the high speed train. And the tremendous long term successes that are Ohio football and basketball. With the big academics. And the energized alumni base. And the big name coaches. And the campus debt load.

Ohio, Kent, Miami, Bowling Green.

Four very good institutions who do things right. There are cycles up and down in the various sports, there are different dates on gates, there are different strengths and weak points etc, some are on flat ground; some use red brick etc etc.

Ohio is a great school and I love visiting and watching my Falcons there. Wonderful place.

But to place Ohio ahead of Kent and BG in a hierarchy of college athletics?

Maybe I missed something by not reading every post carefully.

Go Falcons!


Glad we're on the same page. This isn't Tobacco Road. Be it the MAC or a new mythical conference, there's no need to have two schools like Toledo and BG so geographically close. And it would take someone a half-second to choose Toledo over BG.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 12:39 AM
www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8654190/on-urban-meyer-ohio-state-wisconsin-big-ten-expanding-include-maryland-rutgers

Weinreb pretty much sums up the machinations. It's about the Big Ten's march to the sea, but it also effectivelydescribes the short-term, dangerous thinking of all these expanding conferences.
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