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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:56 PM
I'd say it's looking more like 71. Essentially, only 3 teams matter now:

1. Georgia Tech (must win next week's ACC title game vs. Florida State to be eligible)
2. UCONN (hosts 8-3 Cincinnati next week)
3. Pitt (@ 3-8 South Florida next week)

Georgia Tech winning is highly, highly unlikely. Both of the Big East games are complete toss-ups. Flip a coin, and my bet is on 71 eligible teams. Worst case, 72.

If it's 71, I think Central Michigan (6-6) is first out. 72, and the teams on the bubble would likely be:

1. Ohio (8-4)
2. Bowling Green (8-4)
3. Louisiana-Monroe (8-4)
4. Western Kentucky (7-5)
5. Loser of next weekend's Arkansas State(8-3)/Middle Tennessee State(8-3) game

I'd like to think that Western Kentucky loses that battle, but we may very well be next on the chopping block. Go Bearcats, Go Bulls and Go Seminoles!!
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:04 PM
Tonight there are 70 bowl eligible teams.

it all depends on next weeks Big East games. Pitt is alive and UConn, as well. 

If one wins, I think Central Michigan is out
if both win! 7-5 Western Kentucky is out
If Ga Tech wins, or the NCAA grants them a waiver at 6-7, then the fun begins because there are a couple of Sun Belt teams with eight wins, too.

UTSA isa non factor in this discussion. Everything I have read suggests they are not eligible in their first year. 

I think the best thing to root for is a split next week for the Big East teams. I think UConn plays Cincy, so that won't be an easy one. The other plays a weak USF.


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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:06 PM
  •  I'm confused who is the 71st eligible team? utsa?
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:12 PM
World B. Free wrote:expand_more

  •  I'm confused who is the 71st eligible team? utsa?



There's only 70 actually eligible at this point.

Some lists might be counting Georgia Tech (currently 6-6). However, if they lose in the ACC title game, they'll be 6-7 and ineligible. A strange scenario with how down the ACC has been this season.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:18 PM
That's what I thought. Actually utsa has 8 wins and 5 are against fcs opponents. So clearly they can't be eligible.

and you are right. Fa tech likely will lose next week and that will put them at 6-7, but they still could go to a bowl if the NCAA gives the, a pass because the ACC doesn't have enough members in bowl games. Actually I feel for them because limping in at 6-6 puts the in a bowl but now they'll get creased in a league title game and lose out on a bowl. Weird.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:24 PM
The NCAA has already made a contingency for teams like Georgia Tech, so they won't issue a waiver. Here's the order of teams that can be bowl eligible if there aren't 70 teams available (these will NOT come into play now):

1. 6-6 teams with wins vs. FCS teams that lack the full number of scholarships
2. 6-6 teams with 2 FCS wins
3. 6-7 teams with a loss in a conference championship game
4. 6-7 teams with a 13 game regular season schedule (really just Hawaii)
5. Reclassifying teams (UTSA, etc.) with a 6-6 record
6. 5-7 teams with a top 5 APR rating

So, we're safe with respect to Georgia Tech. Check out the full article here: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/08/ncaa-board-ruling-helps-deepen-pool-of-bowl-qualifiers/1#.ULGce4bdMZE
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:31 PM
Makes sense. Thanks for posting. So even if the huskies and panthers win next week, it appears five MAC teams will go bowling. great for the conference.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:35 PM
Ok wait. So does this mean we are in no matter what? I mean there could be 70, 71, or 72 teams in, depending on Pitt and Connecticut. Wouldn't central Michigan with 6 wins and western Kentucky with seven wins be the teams on the bubble. Ohio would be safe with eight wins, right?
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:37 PM
They don't have to pick in order of wins. Temple, 8-4 in 2009, was passed over by a slew of 6-6 and 7-5 teams.

I don't see any way a bowl picks 6-6 Central Michigan over us. But it's certainly possible that Western Kentucky could go before us at 7-5. Likely? Probably not. But possible...

Bottom line: I don't think we'll know our fate until late Saturday night.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:43 PM
I think we are safe. Win vs. penn state. Big name coach. sI article and national exposure. It would be nice though ig one or both of those big east teams flop...
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:45 PM
It would be funny if we played Pitt in a bowl...2012 the year we swept the keystone state. 
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:46 PM
World B. Free wrote:expand_more
I think we are safe. Win vs. penn state. Big name coach. sI article and national exposure. It would be nice though ig one or both of those big east teams flop...


Agreed. I don't care how bad the season might have finished, I still want a bowl game. 4 straight bowls goes a long way in raising the status of our program. Bobcat fan to the last snap!
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Posted: 11/25/2012 12:06 AM
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It would be funny if we played Pitt in a bowl...2012 the year we swept the keystone state. 


And a b-ball win over Bobby Morris would make a nice trifecta.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:55 AM
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I think we are safe. Win vs. penn state. Big name coach. sI article and national exposure. It would be nice though ig one or both of those big east teams flop...


I've argued the exact same thing. Bowls care a lot about exposure. Ohio is a team they can market for the above listed reasons. If given a choice between Ohio and Sun Belt team X, they have to realize they'll be better going with Ohio.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 9:09 AM
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I think we are safe. Win vs. penn state. Big name coach. sI article and national exposure. It would be nice though ig one or both of those big east teams flop...


I've argued the exact same thing. Bowls care a lot about exposure. Ohio is a team they can market for the above listed reasons. If given a choice between Ohio and Sun Belt team X, they have to realize they'll be better going with Ohio.


Maybe, maybe not.  I think a lot of it has to do with the location of the bowl game and who the bowl thinks will travel better.  For example, Ohio's rumored to be in the BBVA Compass Bowl.  A bowl located in mid-Alabama might think that a Sun Belt team will bring more of its fans to the game than a team from Ohio, especially one that ended the year losing 4 out of 5 games.  At this point it's all about the benjamins for the bowl games and who they think travels best.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 9:22 AM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
I think we are safe. Win vs. penn state. Big name coach. sI article and national exposure. It would be nice though ig one or both of those big east teams flop...


I've argued the exact same thing. Bowls care a lot about exposure. Ohio is a team they can market for the above listed reasons. If given a choice between Ohio and Sun Belt team X, they have to realize they'll be better going with Ohio.


Maybe, maybe not.  I think a lot of it has to do with the location of the bowl game and who the bowl thinks will travel better.  For example, Ohio's rumored to be in the BBVA Compass Bowl.  A bowl located in mid-Alabama might think that a Sun Belt team will bring more of its fans to the game than a team from Ohio, especially one that ended the year losing 4 out of 5 games.  At this point it's all about the benjamins for the bowl games and who they think travels best.


Tickets are important, but so is television ratings... I think the name OHIO and Tettleton carry more weight than a sun belt team this year...
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Posted: 11/25/2012 9:42 AM
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They don't have to pick in order of wins. Temple, 8-4 in 2009, was passed over by a slew of 6-6 and 7-5 teams.

I don't see any way a bowl picks 6-6 Central Michigan over us. But it's certainly possible that Western Kentucky could go before us at 7-5. Likely? Probably not. But possible...

Bottom line: I don't think we'll know our fate until late Saturday night.


As I said earlier I am not 100% sure the rule on that is still in place but it was in place when Temple missed with 8 wins.  It depends on the situation.  You had, and for all I know you still do, to take a 7 win team over a 6 win one using your right to pick schools under a conference contract and then then had to do the same when it came to the bowls left with at-large spots.  There were enough 7+ win schools that year left for the bowls that were picking up at large plus one and Temple wound up the plus one.

I posted what I believe would have to be the order of teams available to bowls earlier.  A 6-6 team can go before us if there conference bowl contracts allow them to get in of if one of the bowls with a spot a conference could not cover happens to have a secondary contract with the 6-6 schools conference.  Every AQ, MWC, CUSA 6 win team will probably get in this way.

If that pecking order is right though we could in no circumstance miss a bowl while 6-6 CMU in our own conference who would have access to the same bowls in the same order, 6-7 Georgia Tech if the lose the ACC title, or UTSA in transition with multiple 1AA wins do go to bowls unless the NCAA grants a waiver of some sort.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 12:19 PM
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They don't have to pick in order of wins. Temple, 8-4 in 2009, was passed over by a slew of 6-6 and 7-5 teams.

I don't see any way a bowl picks 6-6 Central Michigan over us. But it's certainly possible that Western Kentucky could go before us at 7-5. Likely? Probably not. But possible...

Bottom line: I don't think we'll know our fate until late Saturday night.


As I said earlier I am not 100% sure the rule on that is still in place but it was in place when Temple missed with 8 wins.  It depends on the situation.  You had, and for all I know you still do, to take a 7 win team over a 6 win one using your right to pick schools under a conference contract and then then had to do the same when it came to the bowls left with at-large spots.  There were enough 7+ win schools that year left for the bowls that were picking up at large plus one and Temple wound up the plus one.

I posted what I believe would have to be the order of teams available to bowls earlier.  A 6-6 team can go before us if there conference bowl contracts allow them to get in of if one of the bowls with a spot a conference could not cover happens to have a secondary contract with the 6-6 schools conference.  Every AQ, MWC, CUSA 6 win team will probably get in this way.

If that pecking order is right though we could in no circumstance miss a bowl while 6-6 CMU in our own conference who would have access to the same bowls in the same order, 6-7 Georgia Tech if the lose the ACC title, or UTSA in transition with multiple 1AA wins do go to bowls unless the NCAA grants a waiver of some sort.


It used to be that if a conference couldn't meet a commitment the bowl had to take the available team with the best record.  The bowls and the big schools complained, and I think it was changed.  It's one factor in allowing the Sugar Bowl to take Mich (10-2) and Va Tech (11-2) over Boise (12-1) last year.  It's also why some of the secondary affiliations came into being.  Haven't seen anything definitive from a reliable source one way or the other.  I think any leftover Big 12 or Pac-12 school will go first, even if they have a worse record than available non-AQ schools.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 1:56 PM
And why wouldn't the Bowl take team that is going to sell the most tickets. We cannot be a very attractive get for a Jan 5th Bowl Game in Alabama. We may not sell 500 tickets for that game.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 2:15 PM
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I'd say it's looking more like 71. Essentially, only 3 teams matter now:

1. Georgia Tech (must win next week's ACC title game vs. Florida State to be eligible)
2. UCONN (hosts 8-3 Cincinnati next week)
3. Pitt (@ 3-8 South Florida next week)

Georgia Tech winning is highly, highly unlikely. Both of the Big East games are complete toss-ups. Flip a coin, and my bet is on 71 eligible teams. Worst case, 72.

If it's 71, I think Central Michigan (6-6) is first out. 72, and the teams on the bubble would likely be:

1. Ohio (8-4)
2. Bowling Green (8-4)
3. Louisiana-Monroe (8-4)
4. Western Kentucky (7-5)
5. Loser of next weekend's Arkansas State(8-3)/Middle Tennessee State(8-3) game

I'd like to think that Western Kentucky loses that battle, but we may very well be next on the chopping block. Go Bearcats, Go Bulls and Go Seminoles!!


This is right.  Thanks to MiamiF's self imposed bowl ban we have a shot at the postseason.

Ga Tech will lose to FSU, so they will most likely out barring a waiver. Pitt will beat USF, taking CMU's bowl spot. Then it will come down to UCONN vc Cinci. If UCONN wins then a bowl will have to determine whether they select us or Western Kentucky at 7-5. We're probably even on paper and on the field. WKU would probably sell more tickets because I dont think they have been to a bowl before and it would be a new experience for their fans. We have the extra win and the MAC is a stronger conference this year than the Sun Belt which might help us.

Tech gets a waiver and we're both outside looking in. We really needed that 9th win.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 2:27 PM
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And why wouldn't the Bowl take team that is going to sell the most tickets. We cannot be a very attractive get for a Jan 5th Bowl Game in Alabama. We may not sell 500 tickets for that game.


They very well might.  If it comes down to 8-4 Ohio and, say, 7-5 WKU, they might figure that neither one  will draw much of a crowd, so why not go for the one with the better national name recognition to get ratings.  With all the press we had earlier this season, we would be the likely choice.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:26 PM
I wOUld argue the possibility that WKU could be the more appealing choice than us - mainly based upon the novelty of the Hilltopper program having their 1st bowl game appearance as a D-I program.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 7:41 PM
For what it's worth, the C-USA office released its bowl assignments pending the C-USA Championship between Tulsa-UCF.

http://www.conferenceusa.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112...
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Posted: 11/26/2012 9:08 PM
FYI, ESPN's Brett McMurphy discusses the possibility of a waiver for Ga Tech, but noted that several conferences are against it.  He doesn't say if they are AQs, non-AQs or a combination.  I reread the NCAA's press release on it and they don't rule out a waiver; they just set a priority list in case there weren't enough eligible teams.  It's clear that if they lose Saturday, Tech will be bowl eligible; the question will be where they land on the priority list.  Without a waiver, if would take something weird to get them into a bowl.  But in such a case they would be irrelevant to Ohio's bowl chances.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 1:52 AM
One thing that may come into play is TV ratings. With no Ohio State or Penn State that is a lot of fans sitting at home in front of the TV.  Ohio may be what ESPN needs to keep those midwest fans watching football.      
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